If thats open world ala M&M or Wizardry i'm in day one.
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Legend of Grimrock II Announced [First screen post 70]
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If thats open world ala M&M or Wizardry i'm in day one.
I don't know, but it's probably more like Lands of Lore.
Each section of the world is like it's own dungeon link together.
But it's just a feeling, maybe it like Wizardry 7.
Nice art and atmosphere, but tech-wise it's nothing to write home about.
Probably worth pointing to a post from a week ago that I've just spotted talking about the rejected ideas. One makes me curious - be warned, there's a lot of musing and extrapolation - and guesswork - coming up:
http://www.grimrock.net/2013/03/21/scrapped-game-designs/
Now, since this was listed as a rejected idea, clearly Grimrock II isn't going to be this hugely expansive title; but yet, we do have an overworld shot here suggesting something, well, expansive. I suspect the key difference we're looking at is the *long-distance* travel bit; I suspect all the exploration in the final game will still be in a tile-based format. Maybe a large hub area - fully-explorable - littered with small dungeons; maybe with some of the dungeons having effects on the overworld (fight into a dam control building, open a dam, now you can sail across what was once a ravine, that sort of thing?).
The biggest question here, which a screenshot of an overworld brings to light, is what the player's objective is. In a straight dungeon crawl, that's simple: Get to the bottom. True of Grimrock, true of Etrian Odyssey, true of Eye of the Beholder. In the process you'll get a storyline revealed to you, but the player's initial motivation is just to go, well, forwards.
When you're in an overworld environment, though, 'forwards' is a slightly nebulous concept. Sure. from a player standpoint, exploration is its own reward, but from a character motivation standpoint, it's a little curious - I'd expect there to be some *other* reason for the player party's presence there, and I think knowing that would give us quite a bit more insight into what we're getting. I'd be a little disappointed if this was once again some royal oubliette, this time an open-air one.
One other musing on an overworld: it makes less sense for the player force to be alone than it does in a dungeon. Might we see NPCs this time around? Not on a big scale, of course, but it's a bit odd for players to be stuck in a random wilderness that's clearly had human habitation in the past when there's none there now - and if it *is* my thought of a "large hub levels with dungeons entrances scattered around", giving the player a direction beyond the aforementioned nebulous 'forwards' might be in order. I do note that towns were clearly in the scope of the rejected plan, at least.
http://www.grimrock.net/2013/03/21/scrapped-game-designs/
Now, since this was listed as a rejected idea, clearly Grimrock II isn't going to be this hugely expansive title; but yet, we do have an overworld shot here suggesting something, well, expansive. I suspect the key difference we're looking at is the *long-distance* travel bit; I suspect all the exploration in the final game will still be in a tile-based format. Maybe a large hub area - fully-explorable - littered with small dungeons; maybe with some of the dungeons having effects on the overworld (fight into a dam control building, open a dam, now you can sail across what was once a ravine, that sort of thing?).
The biggest question here, which a screenshot of an overworld brings to light, is what the player's objective is. In a straight dungeon crawl, that's simple: Get to the bottom. True of Grimrock, true of Etrian Odyssey, true of Eye of the Beholder. In the process you'll get a storyline revealed to you, but the player's initial motivation is just to go, well, forwards.
When you're in an overworld environment, though, 'forwards' is a slightly nebulous concept. Sure. from a player standpoint, exploration is its own reward, but from a character motivation standpoint, it's a little curious - I'd expect there to be some *other* reason for the player party's presence there, and I think knowing that would give us quite a bit more insight into what we're getting. I'd be a little disappointed if this was once again some royal oubliette, this time an open-air one.
One other musing on an overworld: it makes less sense for the player force to be alone than it does in a dungeon. Might we see NPCs this time around? Not on a big scale, of course, but it's a bit odd for players to be stuck in a random wilderness that's clearly had human habitation in the past when there's none there now - and if it *is* my thought of a "large hub levels with dungeons entrances scattered around", giving the player a direction beyond the aforementioned nebulous 'forwards' might be in order. I do note that towns were clearly in the scope of the rejected plan, at least.
SloaneRisette
Member
That's a really nice screenshot.
I should probably play the first one at some point.
I should probably play the first one at some point.
Minsc
Gold Member
Yeah, even though the screenshot is outdoors, the traversable paths look maze-like, similar to Lands of Lore. You can see from the screen there's a very linear path to follow bound by the trees, cliff and rock walls. Lands of Lore's overworld was really just like another dungeon level like you say, not open at all (which is fine). But you could find shops and towns in it, so it felt different from the dungeons in that regard.
Krauser Kat
Member
The first game was sooo good.
Heh, my stance is pretty much diametrically opposite.
Puzzles are important for me. That's one of the reason i've play the first one and like it so much.
Lands of Lore 2 is a great game, only 3 is crap
The puzzles were the best part of Grimrock and the combat the worst...
not psycho
Member
True, although some of my favorite moments were combat. The best combat is when the game fully takes into account your movement ability and forces you to use it wisely. Like flooding you with enemies so you are forced to fight while running away, and you better have your escape route planned or you'll get cornered.
Extra Sauce
Member
Is there going to be gamepad support this time around?
*ducks*
*ducks*
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
I said WOW. I was a fan of the first but this just bumped Grimrock 2 way up on the "need" list.
I'm pro mouse/keyboard but an option to play with a gamepad would actually fit quite nicely with this type of a game. I don't own a gamepad myself.
It's the same combat system used in the Dungeon Master, Eye of the Beholder, Lands of Lore, Black Crypt and other dungeon crawling games.
StoppedInTracks
Member
I'd say even LoL3 is worth a play through now. Some of the locales and graphical effects are pretty damn nice. As well as Gladstone itself.
Of course back when it launched it was pretty poor but now... beggars can't be choosers
And yeah I day one'd it back then. Full price as well
SatelliteOfLove
Member
That wasn't a flaw. It's designed that way.
FrostuTheNinja
Member
Loved the original. Making a crazy party from
scratch was a joy.
Can't wait to see some more media for this.
scratch was a joy.
Can't wait to see some more media for this.
DiscoJer
Member
Indeed, but the trouble I had with it is that I was in my 20s then, and I am in my 40s now. My reflexes and eyesight have gone downhill, which makes real time combat less than fun, even if it's well done like these games.
edit: Not saying they should change it , of course, just I won't be buying it right away like I did with the first.
cj_iwakura
Member
Looks all the more likely it continues from I's ending.
Can't wait.
Can't wait.
Just to make sure we're on the same page, the strength of circling around an enemy in four squares seems silly and like something you'd want to avoid when planning out these encounters. It could be ineffective after the first few floors, for all I know, but I didn't stick with it long enough to see.
vagabondarts
Member
Lands of lore 1 is one of my favorite PC games. If they capture some of the scope of that then this game will be very satisfying for me.
It's only effective when you're fighting one thing, that becomes less and less common the further you get.
LoL 1 is a fantastic game. I agree with your sentiment!
cj_iwakura
Member
Yep. More than Wizardry PSN for sure.
Yes, it changes every few floors.
ichtyander
Member
They do change. There are 3-4 different environments/designs, changing as you enter certain deeper levels.
I havent finished it and played couple of floors (7-8 maybe?). But yeah i think it was way too puzzle oriented imo. I wanted to see more RPG elements and npc characters(are there any later in the game?)