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Technically both men were wrong, one for blatant racism, the other for assault.
The second guy could have my sympathy for the first punch though, but not the second one. There's a difference between a strong physical reaction in a specific situation (I can't say I wouldn't do it myself), and continued agression towards a guy who was not only down on the floor but in a dangerous position.
 
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I got no sympathy for a fuckin dumb racist who got his head punched in. You stand in front of a man and treat him like an animal, you deserve all you get.
 
Snoopycat said:
I got no sympathy for a fuckin dumb racist who got his head punched in. You stand in front of a man and treat him like an animal, you deserve all you get.
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so what about hispanics who dont like other hispanics from other countries or asians who dont like asians from other countries or africans from other countries . should they all just fight until one wins? does one need to dominate the other. one thing ive learned its so easy to hate another person for bullshit reasons. if you are from another country if justified or some shit
 
5secondrulesucks said:
so what about hispanics who dont like other hispanics from other countries or asians who dont like asians from other countries or africans from other countries . should they all just fight until one wins? does one need to dominate the other. one thing ive learned its so easy to hate another person for bullshit reasons. if you are from another country if justified or some shit
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Whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout. Blah blah blah.
 
I guess what this comes down to is that in the English lexicon we possess a word able to trigger African Americans into justifiable acts of violence.

I understand it but at the same time I dont get it. I think it's an actual incredible thing in a civil society.

Is it just the N bomb tho? Do other racial epitaphs also lead to justifiable violence?
Does this work with all races? Do whites, Jews, Mexicans get this ability?

I need ALL the rules and ALL the words.
 
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Kadayi said:
^This. The ideas being expressed in this thread by some, that being offended somehow gives them the license to engage in violence/break the law is frankly SMH.
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I'm 99% sure they are just fishing for replies and do understand being fucking grown ups with the mentality of a 7 year old is not accepatable. Jesus :cough:
 
Snoopycat said:
I got no sympathy for a fuckin dumb racist who got his head punched in. You stand in front of a man and treat him like an animal, you deserve all you get.
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Is there a video of you somewhere on WORLDSTAR?
 
PKM said:
I guess what this comes down to is that in the English lexicon we possess a word able to trigger African Americans into justifiable acts of violence.

I understand it but at the same time I dont get it. I think it's an actual incredible thing in a civil society.
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You don't get it because you've never had to deal with being dehumanized and insulted on a daily basis because of the colour of your skin.
 
Snoopycat said:
You don't get it because you've never had to deal with being dehumanized and insulted on a daily basis because of the colour of your skin.
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Hey, I'm not saying you dont deal with racial shit..but I refuse to believe in 2018 this is a daily problem.

I do think a some minorities have this boogie man/victim complex fed to them via the media and such. Like "I went into the store, they were looking at me wrong and the lady was rude to me...cause I was black!"
When in reality, the store did that to everyone and that chick was a cunt to everyone.

I think your taking the fuckery we all deal with as a racial thing if it's a daily basis thing.
 
The rethoric on this thread is kinda been concerning... if speech (no matter how hateful it is) justify acting out in violence, then people can use that same reasoning to punch people they don't like because they got offended by what they said.

On one hand you might feel good about that vid... but on the other hand you got papa john's dude getting his life ruined for the same word in a different context...

Just saying...
 
5secondrulesucks said:
lmao remember guys words are violence
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I didn't say they were equally wrong (nor that both can be compared actually, it's apple and oranges).
But using racist slurs against people is wrong indeed. Punching people is wrong too. That's not really controversial opinions.
 
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PKM said:
Hey, I'm not saying you dont deal with racial shit..but I refuse to believe in 2018 this is a daily problem.

I do think a some minorities have this boogie man/victim complex fed to them via the media and such. Like "I went into the store, they were looking at me wrong and the lady was rude to me...cause I was black!"
When in reality, the store did that to everyone and that chick was a cunt to everyone.

I think your taking the fuckery we all deal with as a racial thing if it's a daily basis thing.
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Well, it's great that you have the luxury that you can refuse to believe what happens to black people everyday, but as a black guy I can tell you not a week goes by when I don't have to put up with some kind of bullshit, whether it's a dirty stare just passing someone on the street, or some asshole shouting insults as they speed by in their car at 50 miles an hour. These are just the minor things. I been attacked, spat at, followed and I live in Edinburgh which is about as liberal as you can get.
I do not live my life worrying about these things or seeking out racists, but I can not hide the colour of my skin and it has made me a target for every asshole in the area. From birth to now. This is a thing you cannot understand if you have not lived it. So when I see a video of some scumbag standing in front a man, trying to dehumanize and humiliate him because of his skin, and he gets knocked out. I feel no pity for that man. He deserved what he got.
 
Gander said:
What your saying is we need to allow full reign to hate speech and aggressive behavior usually from the right let's just be honest. Somehow you conclude it's left leaning people holding the country back? It's not Trump and police brutality dividing the country, it's Black Lives Matter?

You can't have it both ways, you can't say yes our side is full of trouble making shit starting assholes and blame the divide in our country on the other side.
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First of all USUALLy? What does this even mean so should I show you hundred of thousand videos of "left" people being agressive? This has nothing to do with politics no matter how much you want to do it.

And who is holding the country is back are extremists be it right or left I do not care. We had Carlin quotes in the other thread so let me quote this one as well

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So no not the right hold the country back but extremists

And YES I can have it both ways. I can say that violence no MATTER who uses it is not ok and against the law. I do not care what words people use the moment you use violence without getting attacked you have lost your justification for it.
 
Alx said:
I didn't say they were equally wrong (nor that both can be compared actually, it's apple and oranges).
But using racist slurs against people is wrong indeed. Punching people is wrong too. That's not really controversial opinions.
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not coming to a conclusion of which is worse is still bad. saying " well this is bad but this is also bad" when clearly knocking someone the fuck out who is tiny even if they are saying something bad. i mean people can try and justify it.
 
KevinKeene said:
Words don't justfy violence. Why is this so difficult for some people?
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Violent people, will always be violent.... we have a person in this thread saying if he heard the "N" word he would kill that person.

First off, nobody knows if the guy saying "N" word has mental problems, is going through depression or whatever else.... there could be a multitude of reasons.

The same person who thinks the Proud Boys are a racist group despite Joey Gibson being half Japanese and Tiny being Samoan.

Meanwhile he defends Antifa.....



 
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me."

People are too easily taunted into physically retaliating instead of remaining calm and good-living nowadays.
 
Snoopycat said:
We also have someone in this thread saying it should be ok for him to lynch people if they offend him.
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Yeah, this is crazy. Self defense.... I'm 100% down with but this is just making up excuses to do violence, next will be "that T-shirt offends me, so I am justified attacking him" , hell, are we already past that stage with the kids wearing the MAGA hat?
 
The worse part is the antithesis of racist ideas about black people is..
'Lacking self control and violent' so this plays right into their narrative.
I mean we have hip-hop web sites DEDICATED to watching black people fight.

This stuff plays right into their idea.
 
Whataburger said:
I'm 99% sure they are just fishing for replies and do understand being fucking grown ups with the mentality of a 7 year old is not accepatable. Jesus :cough:
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True, but it needs to be called out. When your mindset is 'I'm offended = Violent response' You're not exactly winning in the court of public opinion.
 
Dunki said:
You should read the other link as well. IT only goes for threts of violence. Like "I am gonna kill you". So this does not fall into it. You will lose at ANY court.
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No that is also incorrect I'll let someone else explain it to you.

 
BraveOne said:
Unfortunate no train was coming.

Call me a nigger .. your life will be in immediate danger
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Yeah, I think we're all are getting pretty familiar with your self-promoted violent character by now..

We can all agree that racism is a bad thing (including your own badly hidden racism). I find it interesting though, because logically if you wanted things to better, you wouldn't choose violence as a effective route in the long run. So, realistically your only contribution is to pump up or grow an opposing violent side. Either you don't get this, or you actually want to "watch the world burn". What is it?

Do you have children btw?
 
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Gander said:
No that is also incorrect I'll let someone else explain it to you.

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Ok where does fall Nigger into this?

words that by their very utterance inflict injury
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, and speech that incites an immediate breach of the peace.
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And according to fire not even this here was considered a fighting word at the supreme court

"White son of a bitch, I'll kill you." "You son of a bitch, I'll choke you to death." and "You son of a bitch, if you ever put your hands on me again, I'll cut you all to pieces."

So yeah good luck with this. You will lose.

the Supreme Court found that a student newspaper cartoon depicting a policeman raping the Statue of Liberty under the headline "Mother Fucker Acquitted" was protected speech, and a federal appeals courts invalidated, on free speech grounds, a punishment for a fraternity that hosted an "ugly woman" contest featuring a performer in blackface. Iota Xi Chapter of Sigma Chi Fraternity v. George Mason University., 993 F.2d 386 (4th Cir. 1993). These cases demonstrate, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that public colleges cannot constitutionally punish indecent or offensive speech merely by branding the speech "fighting words."
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nemiroff said:
Yeah, I think we're all are getting pretty familiar with your self-promoted violent character by now..

We can all agree that racism is a bad thing (including your own badly hidden racism). I find it interesting though, because logically if you wanted things to better, you wouldn't choose that particular route. So, realistically your only contribution is to pump up or grow an opposing violent side. Either you don't get this, or you actually want to "watch the world burn". What is it?

Do you have children btw?
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Racist only need to be responded to with force ..

Black people are past having a constructive conversation with random racist. But I won't stop you from talking to them.
 
BraveOne said:
Racist only need to be responded to with force ..

Black people are past having a constructive conversation with random racist. But I won't stop you from talking to them.
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How about I will talk to neither of you. You want me to listen and share empathy? Not if you are acting like this. I do not listen to violent people. Sorry. If you use violence outside of self defense you have already lost your argumentation.

And in teh end I will side with the non violent person even I highly disagree with them.
 
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BraveOne said:
Racist only need to be responded to with force ..

Black people are past having a constructive conversation with random racist. But I won't stop you from talking to them.
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If I saw you punching someone who didn't touch you in any way, I'd physically oppose you, even if it'd mean I'm defending a nazi. Fuck off with promoting violence.
 
KevinKeene said:
If I saw you punching someone who didn't touch you in any way, I'd physically oppose you, even if it'd mean I'm defending a nazi. Fuck off with promoting violence.
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This is a super bad take. You are just responding to his nonsense violent behavior with your own.
 
Why wasn't the guy just not racist? What do you expect when you're being a dick and call a black dude the N-word to his face?
I kinda see the point behind being upset over Neo-Nazis and white supremacists being punched when they're not actively agitating anyone at that point in time, but this? Dude's a fucking moron.
 
BraveOne said:
Racist only need to be responded to with force ..

Black people are past having a constructive conversation with random racist. But I won't stop you from talking to them.
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That's not a proper answer to my questions. To be frank, I'm not impressed by the testosterone pumped up stance, you can rather go find some neo-nazis to strike a pose for, this is a forum where we talk and debate each other. Why are you deflecting? Again, do you have children? And why exactly is the rationale behind choosing to worsen the problem instead of bettering it? Are you going to tell us something of value, or more Mr Tough-Guy answers..?
 
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KevinKeene said:
No, I'm saying I'd offer self-defence in case of someone starting violence.
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You really shouldn't get involved in violent confrontation when you do not know the details.

What if you are defending a criminal who was wielding a weapon vs an undercover cop?

That is just a bad take. You are only saying it to counter that guys bad take of being violent. You are not thinking that stance through at all.
 
nemiroff said:
That's not a proper answer to my questions. To be frank, I'm not impressed by the testosterone pumped up stance, you can rather go find some neo-nazis to strike a pose for, this is a forum where we talk and debate each other. Why are you deflecting? Again, do you have children? And why exactly is the rationale behind choosing to worsen the problem instead of bettering it? Are you going to tell us something of value, or more Mr Tough-Guy answers..?
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Nothing to discuss , no situation will ever end well if you call a black person a nigger. It's 2018 past the civil Rights movement and racial equality acts . If you think it's remotely okay to call someone a racial slur in public you are asking for a beating. It's almost a no brainier their is nothing to discuss. It's a word dripping with racial hatred that white people used as a means of oppression for black people.

So I'll say it again ... You call any black people a nigger rational thinking goes out the window .. it's an insult on one's own Identity to attempted to verbally oppress them .

Black people don't have time anymore to deal with that shit. It's a straight bang to the face.
 
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