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[yurinka]

Sony is so fucking crazy doing this.First, PS+ edition should be the full (or almost) game because you already pay the PS+ subscription and it was what they already promised, almost the full game.

And when you buy a full game with a PS+ discount you still must be able to play it because in this case you almost pay the same than the full game in addition to the PS+ subscription and you can't play the game once your subscription ends. WTF?

 

[megalowho]

I really don't get the hate.
Want the full game? Buy it for $59,99.
Want it for $10 cheaper, get the upgrade. Sure, you need PS+ to play the game, but it's the price you pay for buying it cheaper.

What kind of evil master plan I'm supporting?

It makes sense for me, and they're letting folks know way in advance what the deal is. If people want this game for less than retail without Sony's caveats surely they can wait a month or so, it'll drop in price like anything else. Make a judgement call whether or not this offer affects you and have a conversation about it, but a twitter campaign to "fix" Driveclub.. ugh. No thanks.

 

[Moosichu]

Yup but it's too late. Gaf in meltdown mode

Nope, they have confirmed multiple times already.

Hopefully this is a misunderstanding cuz that's just messed up..and dumb

It isn't.

That's some weird decision. I can't really imagine that it's intentional. Maybe some kind of technical issue that they can't turn a ps+ into a non ps+ game?

They already have PS+ exclusive trials and PS+ discounts, this could easily use the same system.

It makes sense for me, and they're letting folks know way in advance what the deal is. If people want this game for less than retail without Sony's caveats surely they can wait a month or so, it'll drop in price like anything else. Make a judgement call whether or not this offer affects you and have a conversation about it, but a twitter campaign to "fix" Driveclub.. ugh. No thanks.

Because they did promise a different deal beforehand.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

I'm not fine with being required to pay for PS+ to play a game that *I PAID FOR*. I'm fine with it for the freebie games.
.

I'm confused.....

I offered options that covered all the bases.

You can

1. Circumvent PS+ all together and just buy the game from the get go.
2. You can pay less, but have it tied to your PS+ account.
3. You can pay the remainder and untie it from your PS+ account.

I don't understand what you are getting angry about.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

And when you buy a full game with a PS+ discount you still must be able to play it because in this case you almost pay the same than the full game in addition to the PS+ subscription and you can't play the game once your subscription ends. WTF?

That's what they should be offering, but they aren't. You have to buy $50 worth of DLC that only works with the Plus edition, or the full digital game with no discount.

3. You can pay the remainder and untie it from your PS+ account.

You can't have this option, that's the problem.

 

[Certinty]

For under £43 I will no doubt be able to buy a physical copy which I will be doing if the PS+ edition is any good, no way am I spending that amount on a digital game let alone one I need a PS+ sub to play.

 

[Freeman]

I'm confused.....

I offered options that covered all the bases.

You can

1. Circumvent PS+ all together and just buy the game from the get go.
2. You can pay less, but have it tied to your PS+ account.
3. You can pay the remainder and untie it from your PS+ account.

I don't understand what you are getting angry about.

Ignoring the previous lies(they led us to believe the PS+ version would be much more than it is) and the fact that Sony is not making an effort to make it cleat that the $50 is tied to a paid subscription, the second option is offensive by itself.

What does Sony gain out of this? Just give an option for people to buy an upgrade that isn't tied to PS+ for 50$ and be done with it.

 

[plasmawave]

I'm confused.....

I offered options that covered all the bases.

You can

1. Circumvent PS+ all together and just buy the game from the get go.
2. You can pay less, but have it tied to your PS+ account.
3. You can pay the remainder and untie it from your PS+ account.

I don't understand what you are getting angry about.

2. You can pay less, but have it tied to your PS+ account.
I don't think $10 cheaper is going to cut it.
It should be like $20 or something instead of almost-full-price $50.

 

[yurinka]

Don't tweet @yosp @Rushy33 only, remember that you can also tweet @DRIVECLUB and @PhenomEvolution (Sr. Community Manager for Evolution Studios). With the hashtag #NODCSUB.

I think it people may even sue them in the future for this. In addition to lie their customers several times, it goes against how PS+ works so people who didn't see this video or blog post will be cheated.

That's what they should be offering, but they aren't. You have to buy $50 worth of DLC that only works with the Plus edition, or the full digital game with no discount.

When they give you a game at no extra cost for paying the PS+ subscription in the instant game collection, when you buy DLC for it you still can use the DLC without having PS+ by purchasing the game (that you didn't pay).

But this is a (PS+ exclusive) demo to full game unlock, case where you still are able to play the game once PS+ sub is not active.

Even if we consider this instead as a special PS+ discount (only $10 this case), then you should continue to be able to continue playing the full game once you stop having PS+ since this is how PS+ discounts work.

In both 3 cases they are lying and scamming their customers. They must change it or people will sue them.

 

[Melchiah]

No , because the game wont boot to load up the DLC.

No. You can buy the game (Outlast) outside of a subscription and use your paid-for DLC, or you can re-subscribe and play the game with your paid-for DLC. You don't actually lose the DLC you paid for.

However, your only option (at this time) to play Driveclub if you unsubscribe, is to buy the full game - another $59.99. There is no 'mini-version' of Driveclub you can buy that will work with the DLC, and the full game doesn't need it because the PS+ DLC isn't really DLC - it's the rest of the full game content.

Ah, never bought any DLCs for PS+ games before. So, it's principally the same with Driveclub then, apart from not being able to buy the PS+ starter pack.

I feel kinda mixed about this. I'm not about to end my sub in the foreseeable future, and I'm not sure before trying the PS+ starter pack of DC, if I even want to buy the full version, but I agree that having 50€ game tied to a sub is pretty questionable, if that's indeed the case.

 

[bananafactory]

So wait, now people are talking about DLC. Is the $50 upgrade just getting you the vanilla game or is it like a season pass for extra content? If it's DLC it makes sense to be tied to your account since you don't own the core
game. But if it's 50 for the upgrade that doesn't even make sense...and I don't know how they could fix it since if the game retails for a full 60 why would anyone buy it instead of just getting the ps+ edition and then upgrading for 50. They should just scrap the entire upgrade deal if that's the case

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

So wait, now people are talking about DLC. Is the $50 upgrade just getting you the vanilla game or is it like a season pass for extra content? If it's DLC it makes sense to be tied to your account since you don't own the core
game. But if it's 50 for the upgrade that doesn't even make sense...and I don't know how they could fix it since if the game retails for a full 60 why would anyone buy it instead of just getting the ps+ edition and then upgrading for 50. They should just scrap the entire upgrade deal if that's the case

Some of us are calling it DLC (or season pass) because it fits this situation, but it's not really DLC. It's the on-disc content (and I don't mean like 'From Ashes' DLC was on disc, but they pretended it wasn't) from the retail release.

It's an upgrade to the full version that you're paying for, but you aren't getting the full version because it stays tied to the Driveclub Plus edition, which you lose if you unsub.

 

[Melchiah]

So wait, now people are talking about DLC. Is the $50 upgrade just getting you the vanilla game or is it like a season pass for extra content? If it's DLC it makes sense to be tied to your account since you don't own the core
game. But if it's 50 for the upgrade that doesn't even make sense...and I don't know how they could fix it since if the game retails for a full 60 why would anyone buy it instead of just getting the ps+ edition and then upgrading for 50. They should just scrap the entire upgrade deal if that's the case

I was asking about how DLCs in general work on PS+.

 

[megalowho]

Because they did promise a different deal beforehand.

I saw the quote in your OP, it doesn't mention price like the official PS Blog statement does and considering what the game has gone through since September 2013 there's quite a bit of misinformation throughout the article. This is the official confirmation of what the deal is with PS+ and Driveclub, we can be grown folks about it and evaluate whether or not it's worth our time and money without going "but you promised!" on twitter.

Personally I'm not canceling my PS+ subscription anytime soon, it's too good of a deal, and I'm wait and see on the game itself - will check back around launch and see how things turned out.

 

[KiraXD]

I think this is more a mix up of information.

it is... theres HUNDREDS of PS+ discounted games across PS3/PS4/PSVita and not ONE of them expires of your subscription lapses. i doubt this ONE game is the exception.

 

[vpance]

So wait, now people are talking about DLC. Is the $50 upgrade just getting you the vanilla game or is it like a season pass for extra content? If it's DLC it makes sense to be tied to your account since you don't own the core
game. But if it's 50 for the upgrade that doesn't even make sense...and I don't know how they could fix it since if the game retails for a full 60 why would anyone buy it instead of just getting the ps+ edition and then upgrading for 50. They should just scrap the entire upgrade deal if that's the case

Or they can just leave it and see who bites? Like an experiment. Good thing Neogaf is very informed on these matters.

 

[Freeman]

So wait, now people are talking about DLC. Is the $50 upgrade just getting you the vanilla game or is it like a season pass for extra content? If it's DLC it makes sense to be tied to your account since you don't own the core
game. But if it's 50 for the upgrade that doesn't even make sense...and I don't know how they could fix it since if the game retails for a full 60 why would anyone buy it instead of just getting the ps+ edition and then upgrading for 50. They should just scrap the entire upgrade deal if that's the case

How does people subscribing to PS+ and getting the game for $10 less harm Sony? In that situation they would still probably make more money than the version they sell at retail, there are also benefits from getting a physical version for $60.

They were the ones who set the expectation that this game was going to be a good deal for people who had PS+.

Right now they are pushing people to just play the free version and be done with it, since their deal suck.

 

[Stike]

So wait, now people are talking about DLC. Is the $50 upgrade just getting you the vanilla game or is it like a season pass for extra content? If it's DLC it makes sense to be tied to your account since you don't own the core
game. But if it's 50 for the upgrade that doesn't even make sense...and I don't know how they could fix it since if the game retails for a full 60 why would anyone buy it instead of just getting the ps+ edition and then upgrading for 50. They should just scrap the entire upgrade deal if that's the case

Yeah, its the latter:

There are two versions:

DriveClub PS+ Edition (11 tracks yadda yadda)
- free for PS+ subscribers
- pay 50$ to unlock the extra content of the retail edition
- game remains tied to your PS+ subscription even if you pay for the extra content

DriveClub "retail/full" Edition (the "real deal")
- available physical and digital for 60$

That's what Sony are proposing currently, and it sucks.

 

[Synth]

So wait, now people are talking about DLC. Is the $50 upgrade just getting you the vanilla game or is it like a season pass for extra content? If it's DLC it makes sense to be tied to your account since you don't own the core
game. But if it's 50 for the upgrade that doesn't even make sense...and I don't know how they could fix it since if the game retails for a full 60 why would anyone buy it instead of just getting the ps+ edition and then upgrading for 50. They should just scrap the entire upgrade deal if that's the case

That $10 difference is less than the discount often given to purchasers of PS+. It should not be an issue of it conflicting with the retail version, because anybody without PS+ couldn't upgrade from the PS+ version anyway.

 

[David Ricardo]

This has to be a misunderstanding. My brain just can't process paying 50$ for the upgrade and not owning the game.

 

[bananafactory]

Yeah, its the latter:

There are two versions:

DriveClub PS+ Edition (11 tracks yadda yadda)
- free for PS+ subscribers
- pay 50$ to unlock the extra content of the retail edition
- game remains tied to your PS+ subscription even if you pay for the extra content

DriveClub "retail/full" Edition (the "real deal")
- available physical and digital for 60$

That's what Sony are proposing currently, and it sucks.

Ah ok thanks. So I guess my point is that while I agree paying 50 for something tied to a sub is garbage, people are campaigning for Sony to allow the upgrade access to remain, even if you unsubscribe for plus.

My point from that was: even if Sony did cave, and you could "upgrade" PS+ edition for 50 and keep it, why would anyone pay the full 60 for an identical digital version instead of just using the upgrade method? Again, in this situation the upgrade makes no sense at all

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

it is... theres HUNDREDS of PS+ discounted games across PS3/PS4/PSVita and not ONE of them expires of your subscription lapses. i doubt this ONE game is the exception.

This isn't the equivalent of buying a full game at a Plus discount price though, it's buying $50 of content which you can't use outside of your subscription.

 

[KiraXD]

This has to be a misunderstanding. I just can't process paying 50$ for the upgrade and not owning the game.

people are blowing it out of proportion... to date... no game does this... you can buy a game with your PS+ discount... cancel PS+ and STILL access the game. why would this be any different?

This isn't the equivalent of buying a full game at a Plus discount price though, it's buying $50 of content which you can't use outside of your subscription.

yeah i dont think so. you can either buy the full game, or upgrade the PS+ version TO the full game at a discount...

 

[Synth]

Ah ok thanks. So I guess my point is that while I agree paying 50 for something tied to a sub is garbage, people are campaigning for Sony to allow the upgrade access to remain, even if you unsubscribe for plus.

My point from that was: even if Sony did cave, and you could "upgrade" PS+ edition for 50 and keep it, why would anyone pay the full 60 for an identical digital version? Again, in this situation the upgrade makes no sense at all

Because if you don't have PS+, the $60 version is your only option. Same as any other PS+ discount...

 

[teiresias]

people are blowing it out of proportion... to date... no game does this... you can buy a game with your PS+ discount... cancel PS+ and STILL access the game. why would this be any different?

Because Sony is saying it's different.

 

[Moosichu]

I saw the quote in your OP, it doesn't mention price like the official PS Blog statement does and considering what the game has gone through since September 2013 there's quite a bit of misinformation throughout the article. This is the official confirmation of what the deal is with PS+ and Driveclub, we can be grown folks about it and evaluate whether or not it's worth our time and money without going "but you promised!" on twitter.

Personally I'm not canceling my PS+ subscription anytime soon, it's too good of a deal, and I'm wait and see on the game itself - will check back around launch and see how things turned out.

Until today they have said that upgrading the PS+ version of Driveclub with the discount would let you keep the game irrespective of how long you kept your PS+ subscription. I'm not cancelling mine either.

At the bolded, I am doing both. I am telling Sony that the current situation means that Driveclub is no longer worth my time or money until it's cheaper or I can keep the discounted game as I would a regular PS+ discounted game I bought.

 

[Cipherr]

I think this is more a mix up of information.

I agree. There is probably some miscommunication going on.

I don't think it is. It looks... no. It IS completely and clearly worded.


But after enough of a ruckus is raised, Im sure a 'miscommunication' is what they will go with. Doesn't matter though, as long as it gets done.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

people are blowing it out of proportion... to date... no game does this... you can buy a game with your PS+ discount... cancel PS+ and STILL access the game. why would this be any different?

You're wrong. This is different. There's no access to the game when you cancel PS+.

Yeah, its the latter:

There are two versions:

DriveClub PS+ Edition (11 tracks yadda yadda)
- free for PS+ subscribers
- pay 50$ to unlock the extra content of the retail edition
- game remains tied to your PS+ subscription even if you pay for the extra content

DriveClub "retail/full" Edition (the "real deal")
- available physical and digital for 60$

That's what Sony are proposing currently, and it sucks.

Don't forget the 3 months of PS+ subscription and preorder bonuses included in "retail/full" edition. This is where the money is too IMO.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

yeah i dont think so. you can either buy the full game, or upgrade the PS+ version TO the full game at a discount...

So where are you getting your information from? Because the information we have comes from Chris Brown at Sony, the Playstation Blog, Rushy and Evolution, and it's not what you're saying.

If you buy a full game with a Playstation Plus discount you keep that game even if you unsubscribe, you buy Driveclub with the 'discount' (your word there) you don't get to keep the game if your subscription lapses.

And, oh look: Eurogamer are saying the same thing as I said.

 

[OneUh8]

I have been a huge proponent and advocate of Sony. But this is just stupid. I hope they change this.

 

[phanphare]

They are just giving you options, as others pointed out in the other thread think of this as just a big DLC pack. If you don't want to lose access just buy the full game.

oh how nice of them!!

 

[Stike]

My point from that was: even if Sony did cave, and you could "upgrade" PS+ edition for 50 and keep it, why would anyone pay the full 60 for an identical digital version instead of just using the upgrade method? Again, in this situation the upgrade makes no sense at all

Easy: You are a PSplus customer, so you already paid for that 10$ rebate. That's what Plus is supposed to be for - you pay and receive rebates and freebies for it.

 

[Clownboat]

Sony put the multiplayer behind a paywall and their fans ate it up. They get nothing but love (and piles of money) for PS+. The next logical step is to put single player behind a paywall as well.

 

[Freeman]

Ah ok thanks. So I guess my point is that while I agree paying 50 for something tied to a sub is garbage, people are campaigning for Sony to allow the upgrade access to remain, even if you unsubscribe for plus.

My point from that was: even if Sony did cave, and you could "upgrade" PS+ edition for 50 and keep it, why would anyone pay the full 60 for an identical digital version instead of just using the upgrade method? Again, in this situation the upgrade makes no sense at all

Then they should just get rid of PS+, what is the point of PS+ discounts if it creates value for people? What is the point of Instant Game Collection if people are not going to buy the games that show up there? Maybe they should move to a more consumer friendly model of locking things behind a pay wall, the first and second steps have already being taken. I can almost taste the sour taste of Xbox Live in my mouth.

Sony put the multiplayer behind a paywall and their fans ate it up. They get nothing but love (and piles of money) for PS+. The next logical step is to put single player behind a paywall as well.

And at some point we make a stand. Multiplayer made some sense, MS established the model, Sony was actually becoming infamous for having an inferior multiplayer (justifiably or not), subscriptions largely increased after the change. What they are offering now, doesn't help anyone not even themselves.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Easy: You are a PSplus customer, so you already paid for that 10$ rebate. That's what Plus is supposed to be for - you pay and receive rebates and freebies for it.

Exactly. People are getting way too used to PS+ because Sony is now forcing it down our throats with online gaming. This is not what PS+ was announced for. For shit like this, please use Playstation Now or some other shit. This is a $50 rental, pure and simple. Not only that, you need to continue paying for the service to enjoy what you have already paid for.

Sony is making XBL Gold look great with this bullshit.

 

[yurinka]

That $10 difference is less than the discount often given to purchasers of PS+. It should not be an issue of it conflicting with the retail version, because anybody without PS+ couldn't upgrade from the PS+ version anyway.

It isn't a PS+ exclusive discount. When you purchase a full game with this type of discount you can play it if your PS+ is not active.

Easy: You are a PSplus customer, so you already paid for that 10$ rebate. That's what Plus is supposed to be for - you pay and receive rebates and freebies for it.

Yes, it should be a normal PS+ exclusive discount so you SHOULD be allowed to play the game even if your PS+ sub is not active because you did stop paying it. But they are cheating us.

 

[mo60]

I hope sony actually lets you keep the full game when you get the discounted version or a lot of people will be unhappy if this is not fixed.

 

[larrybird33]

Meh I'll just buy the retail disc

 

[Handy Fake]

So... Just to clarify:

Option a) - Free bare bones game
Option b) - Full game with discount, but tied to PS+ account
Option c) - Full price game, unrestricted by account

Is that right?

 

[KiraXD]

So where are you getting your information from? Because the information we have comes from Chris Brown at Sony, the Playstation Blog, Rushy and Evolution, and it's not what you're saying.

If you buy a full game with a Playstation Plus discount you keep that game even if you unsubscribe, you buy Driveclub with the 'discount' (your word there) you don't get to keep the game if your subscription lapses.

I didnt say any of this was fact... i said its what i THINK is going on... its what i took away from Paul saying hes seeking clarification (meaning that it obviously wasnt 100% clear on whats going on.)


The fact that it will be the only game that is structured like this isnt a red-flag to you?

 

[Stike]

So... Just to clarify:

Option a) - Free bare bones game
Option b) - Full game with discount, but tied to PS+ account
Option c) - Full price game, unrestricted by account

Is that right?

Yep.

 

[Freeman]

So... Just to clarify:

Option a) - Free bare bones game
Option b) - Full game with discount, but tied to PS+ account
Option c) - Full price game, unrestricted by account

Is that right?

Option a)free handjob
Option c)paid sex
Option b)paid sex, but you are the one getting fucked.

 

[Handy Fake]

Yep.

Cheers. What's wrong with that then? :/

 

[GuitarAtomik]

I didn't realize there was a full version that you could buy when everyone was first flipping their collective shit. Now this doesn't seem so egregious.

That said, the $50 upgrade is a terrible deal and probably shouldn't be offered at all because of this confusion. Just have the Plus version, and the full version and offer a $10 discount on the full digital version if you're a Plus member. That makes more sense to me.

 

[Glorified G]

My point from that was: even if Sony did cave, and you could "upgrade" PS+ edition for 50 and keep it, why would anyone pay the full 60 for an identical digital version instead of just using the upgrade method? Again, in this situation the upgrade makes no sense at all

Not everyone has PS+

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Wait a minute. Am I reading this right? The only circumstance that the full version will be tied to PS+ is if you opt for the cheaper upgrade, but if you pay the full price to upgrade it's no longer tied to PS+?

In that case, I don't see much of a problem to be honest. It all basically hinges on how much you save if you take the cheaper option. That seems the only real issue.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

So... Just to clarify:

Option a) - Free bare bones game
Option b) - Free bare bones game + paid DLC that equates it to the full game
Option c) - Full price game, unrestricted by account

Is that right?

fixed.

THIS is how they're trying to do this deal, which i agree isn't what they promised. my whole gripe with all of this is that Sony said anything you pay for under PS+ is yours to keep forever. if you pay to unlock the full game you should get to keep it. i don't see what's so hard about making the $50 upgrade item in the store simply download the entire Driveclub game package from the store... wouldn't it essentially work the same as when you download a demo and then purchase the unlock? sometimes you have to download the full game and sometimes not.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Option a) free handjob
Option c)paid sex
Option b)paid sex, but you are the one getting fucked.

Option A) Test drive a car for as long as you want, as long as you're a costco member.
Option B) Rent the car for a few dollars less than the price of owning the car, but you have to be a costco member forever or they'll repossess your car.
Option C) Own the car for full price, but you have to be a costco member if you want to drive it outside your neighborhood. You can drive in your neighborhood without owning a costco membership, and you can still sell it when you lose your costco membership. We'll give you 3 months of costco membership for free!

 

[Ocelott]

Wait a minute. Am I reading this right? The only circumstance that the full version will be tied to PS+ is if you opt for the cheaper upgrade, but if you pay the full price to upgrade it's no longer tied to PS+?

In that case, I don't see much of a problem to be honest. It all basically hinges on how much you save if you take the cheaper option. That seems the only real issue.

I agree... Just spend an extra $10 bucks for the full upgrade... PS+ has made people feel entitled it's crazy.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

So... Just to clarify:

Option a) - Free bare bones game
Option b) - Full game with discount, but tied to PS+ account
Option c) - Full price game, unrestricted by account

Is that right?

B is where the decision making goes wrong. If you pay to unlock the full version, it should convert to being the normal $59.99 digital that you can preorder/buy on PSN.