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[travisbickle]

The individual DLC does not unlock the full game, no matter how much you buy. So they've painted themselves in a corner where they know someone will spend $60+ on individual cars and tracks and be left out after PS+ expiry.

What's the answer? Probably should have made the base game F2P then given PS+ members access to extra DLC for free.

This is the problem with making a fee for online play, it becomes difficult to give things away without a catch.

 

[Jea Song]

This "upgrade offer" is not representative of going all digital.

Never said it was. But the upgrade will be a digital upgrade right? Or can I go to my local gamestop and when they verify I have an active plus subscription I get a $10 discount?

Didn't think so.

What I'm saying is this driveclub upgrade is yet another reason why I won't go all digital.

 

[sportzhead]

Simple fix.

Change the PS+ Edition name to PS+ Trial Demo.

Offer the digital version of the full game to PS+ subscribers at $50.

Job done. Everybody is happy.

 

[Jea Song]

Simple fix.

Change the PS+ Edition name to PS+ Trial Demo.

Offer the digital version of the full game to PS+ subscribers at $50.

Job done. Everybody is happy.

It's what they should have done in the first place, instead of having naive people actually believe a game with the words "plus edition" at the end actually meant a near full game minus a car or 2.

 

[Freeman]

The individual DLC does not unlock the full game, no matter how much you buy. So they've painted themselves in a corner where they know someone will spend $60+ on individual cars and tracks and be left out after PS+ expiry.

What's the answer? Probably should have made the base game F2P then given PS+ members access to extra DLC for free.

This is the problem with making a fee for online play, it becomes difficult to give things away without a catch.

Why complicate it, if the idea was to give PS+ member a $10 discount just give a a $10 discount, no need to change polices in how game ownership work in combination with PS+.

Now, why they lied and over-promised things for more than a year is beyond me. And now to top that with this disrespectful proposition is just unacceptable.

 

[Teletraan1]

The only angle of this that I don't like is that say I did buy the upgrade and I wanted to plug in my PS4 in 20 years and play some games I probably won't be able to play even the single player version of it. But I guess if that was my concern I would buy the full disc version and hope that the game is not completely broken without some day 0 patch that probably isn't available anymore. My dad pulled out an N64 and Mario Kart 64 the other day and it all still worked fine. This is the way games are going though but I am sure they will sell you a version of this for $3.49 to play on your PS7 with your PSN Unobtainium + membership.

 

[tokyostomp]

My Chris Brown will triumph.

 

[kaiyo]

If that's the case, then no need to mandate that they maintain a PS+ sub then anyway, the player should already be compelled to do so. I don't really agree anyhow. It can be argued that most games with any significant online functionality loses the point without online play, but that's not really always the case. I played Forza Horizon almost entirely as a single player game despite it having very similar rival style mechanics, and I'm currently playing PGR4 at the moment in between posts. Some people simply want a new PGR style game, and are buying it for that purpose. I know I am.

Well that's true, it should compel the user to keep the subscription anyways. But I guess they don't see it that way?

This game game is marketed as a social game with the whole #DriveClub and having "Club" in the name and of course the game play aspect of beating other clubs/friends etc and climbing up the leader boards. I guess if you are only playing it for the single player the game you really want is Drive, heh.

 

[AwShucks]

Really strange Sony would make this sort of decision after all the good will. But with all the backlash I'm sure it'll be rectified soon enough.

 

[freeofgreed]

I don't necessarily agree with him, but I can see where he is coming from. Retail stores are known to have a problem with digital versions of games being cheaper than the physical versions that the brick and mortar stores rely on. That's one of the reasons why digital versions of PS games are about equal if not more than the retail versions. If that's the case: I think Gamestop and Walmart would have a problem with Sony if they were giving out Driveclub for free- while they're trying to sell the same game for 60 dollars plus tax.

Yeah I'am aware of the whole physical/digital copy war that publishers and retail stores are having, I just don't think this is the case here.

 

[travisbickle]

Why complicate it, if the idea was to give PS+ member a $10 discount just give a a $10 discount, no need to change polices in how game ownership work in combination with PS+.

A reduced price digital version for PS+ users will probably be offered but doesn't solve the underlying problem, a user can buy lots of content that's only available with their subscription.

I assume as this has changed from a launch title into a pretty robust racing title that they are going to offer post-launch DLC, there will be a situation where someone could buy all the launch content separately (4 countries / 40 cars @ $15 each=$60) then buy post launch DLC (2 countries / 20 cars = $30) spend $90 and not be able to access that content without a subscription to PS+.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

Really strange Sony would make this sort of decision after all the good will. But with all the backlash I'm sure it'll be rectified soon enough.

They better... *shakes fist angrily*

 

[Synth]

Well that's true, it should compel the user to keep the subscription anyways. But I guess they don't see it that way?

This game game is marketed as a social game with the whole #DriveClub and having "Club" in the name and of course the game play aspect of beating other clubs/friends etc and climbing up the leader boards. I guess if you are only playing it for the single player the game you really want is Drive, heh.

If I'm honest, the game I really want is PGR5... but that's not going to happen, so DriveClub will have to do.

I agree that the game does seem more geared towards community participation, but other than direct online multiplayer, shouldn't most of this functionality work without PS+ anyway? I don't imagine you would need PS+ in order to race people's ghosts or set new drift records and so on. Maybe someone can update me on how Forza Horizon handled these sorts of features, or what Forza 5 does with its Drivatars. I've had Gold for so long, I have no recollection of what being a Silver member is like, lol.

 

[viveks86]

I agree that the game does seem more geared towards community participation, but other than direct online multiplayer, shouldn't most of this functionality work without PS+ anyway? I don't imagine you would need PS+ in order to race people's ghosts or set new drift records and so on.

It should work without PS+. Yosp confirmed that. Obviously, a second confirmation after all the recent confusion would be good.

While direct competition in real time won’t be possible [without PS Plus] for instance in the case of DriveClub, asynchronous online gameplay and receiving data from other players will still be free of charge.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/12/e3-2013-sonys-shuhei-yoshida-shares-relevant-details-on-playstation-plus-requirement-for-multiplayer-on-ps4/

 

[nikos]

Maybe I'm missing something, but why not download the free PS+ version and just buy the retail version if you like the game? It might cost an extra few bucks, but you won't need PS+ to play it.

Don't current free/discounted PS+ games require an active subscription to play?

 

[foxbeldin]

Maybe I'm missing something, but why not download the free PS+ version and just buy the retail version if you like the game? It might cost an extra few bucks, but you won't need PS+ to play it.

Don't current free/discounted PS+ games require an active subscription to play?

Free yes, discounted no.

 

[Tigress]

I agree... Just spend an extra $10 bucks for the full upgrade... PS+ has made people feel entitled it's crazy.

Ok, here's a question for you. Being able to get drive club for cheaper was an advertised benefit of ps+, right? Well, their advertised benefit they used to sell ps+ and ps4 is a worse deal than buying the game without ps+. So what the hell am I paying for ps+ to get worse deals than without it?! We should be telling Sony this is bs before Sony ruins a good thing by more crap like this.

We paid for ps+ to get better deals than without it. So why should we have to not use it to get the regular deal rather than get ripped off by the ps + deal. So yes, this is very much something we should be upset about.

 

[falconbox]

Is this seriously an issue for people? What is the percent of the community that will get the game free, upgrade, AND let their PS+ subscription lapse?

 

[OmahaG8]

Is this seriously an issue for people? What is the percent of the community that will get the game free, upgrade, AND let their PS+ subscription lapse?

The year - 2019 - the place - your living room. Time to fire up the $50 you bought 5 years ago. Time has passed, you haven't played games a lot lately, and you don't have time for games anymore so you let your sub stop. But kids are in bed, time to play DriveClub to unwind.

Son of a b@!(*

 

[reminder]

Is this seriously an issue for people? What is the percent of the community that will get the game free, upgrade, AND let their PS+ subscription lapse?

Especially since the game is all about community events and you need a PS+ subscription for the online features anyway.

 

[daman824]

Is this seriously an issue for people? What is the percent of the community that will get the game free, upgrade, AND let their PS+ subscription lapse?

That's not the issue. The issue is the precedent that this sets. The fact that sony is doing something like this in the first place is incredibly shady. Why not just give whoever has a ps+ sub a discount on the full digital version of the game?

Depending on how many people go through the upgrade path, this could become more common. And It's incredibly anti consumer.

 

[daman824]

Especially since the game is all about community events and you need a PS+ subscription for the online features anyway.

So why not just force it?

 

[Nealand Liquor]

Haha so true

Hahaha totally! They'll just wait until the game is selling at bomba prices for $20 three weeks after release. Sony has it made yo. Totally worth it.

 

[reptilescorpio]

They need to make the PS+ version work as a discount coupon towards the full digital copy of the game, rather than consider the upgrade to be DLC.

Scrap the upgrade, make people download the game again if necessary, just don't even think making Driveclub tied to PS+ is an idea people won't revolt against as soon as they realise how you have locked them into a subscription.

 

[sportzhead]

The year - 2019 - the place - your living room. Time to fire up the $50 you bought 5 years ago. Time has passed, you haven't played games a lot lately, and you don't have time for games anymore so you let your sub stop. But kids are in bed, time to play DriveClub to unwind.

Son of a b@!(*

Don't understand this line of thinking. You just take the loss. You knew what you bought 5 years ago. There is no guarantee any digital game will work in 5 years.

How about this analogy:
It's 2019 your PS4 hard drive fails with $500 worth of games on it. Some of those games are no longer on the Playstation Network and can not be downloaded again.

Son of a B@!(*.

You just take the L and buy the physical disc if you want to guarantee you play your old games in the future.

 

[EatinOlives]

Maybe I'm missing something, but why not download the free PS+ version and just buy the retail version if you like the game? It might cost an extra few bucks, but you won't need PS+ to play it.

Don't current free/discounted PS+ games require an active subscription to play?

It isn't discounted, and it's a very roundabout, non straightforward way of doing things.

For the general gaming masses who will not have followed this development, when they download the PS+ version and they get offered a simple upgrade version that's $10 cheaper than every other place, Sony expects people to just see that and go for the upgrade without knowing this bullshit stipulation.

 

[Boudica]

Full games bought with PS+ discounts don't require a sub to play, so why does Drive Club all of a sudden? Doesn't make any sense.

 

[falconbox]

The year - 2019 - the place - your living room. Time to fire up the $50 you bought 5 years ago. Time has passed, you haven't played games a lot lately, and you don't have time for games anymore so you let your sub stop. But kids are in bed, time to play DriveClub to unwind.

Son of a b@!(*

Right, I'll be playing the 2014 version of Drive Club in 2019....

 

[boogie2988]

this is some needlessly complicated shit and needs to be fixed. it certainly should NOT be the future of gaming.

took out my frustrating with it by making a youtube video, but I hope they do realize that this is a stupid fucking compromise.

I don't understand the big deal of 10 dollars difference. That's a lot of money for the consumer, and very little for the company. I don't know why they wouldn't let you get a full version for that as a ps+ member.

 

[muleyman13]

As there been any clarification since Rushy said he was looking into the matter for us?

 

[viveks86]

As there been any clarification since Rushy said he was looking into the matter for us?

Not yet. If this implies a change in plans, it is going to take a while to get it approved from above. They are releasing another blog today focused on "clubs". May be they will preface it with an update. Let's see

 

[Moosichu]

My issue with it is the precendent it sets. It could mean that consumers could end up spending $100s on games for pitiful savings which are tied to their subscription, and here is the issue: With no means of 'untying' the games for the small difference it would have cost to buy them normally anyway.

Furthermore, to everyone saying 'It doesnt affect me, I will buy the full version.'. You do realise it does because you were promised the full, no-strings-attached version for the PS+ discoint right?

 

[Putty]

this is some needlessly complicated shit and needs to be fixed. it certainly should NOT be the future of gaming.

took out my frustrating with it by making a youtube video, but I hope they do realize that this is a stupid fucking compromise.

I don't understand the big deal of 10 dollars difference. That's a lot of money for the consumer, and very little for the company. I don't know why they wouldn't let you get a full version for that as a ps+ member.

Seen just now mate. Funny as always. You must have a good supply of webcams 8)

 

[quetz67]

That's not the issue. The issue is the precedent that this sets. The fact that sony is doing something like this in the first place is incredibly shady. Why not just give whoever has a ps+ sub a discount on the full digital version of the game?

Obviously because they don't want people to get a free PS+ trial and buy the game for cheaper.

Wow, really, lots of threads and bullshit like this over some $10 of content you get for like $4/month together with 4 other games.

Play the PS+ version for a month or two and then get retail game used for $50. Or if you hate Sony and Evolution just give te money to charity, but stop this nonsense. Complaining and moaning about $10 more or less is what is seriously wrong with this world. Get a job and in the time you spend on this you could easily earn more than $10.

And there is nothing shady and greedy here and no evil plan that you need to stop,

 

[WJD]

Don't really see this as a massive issue myself.

 

[wapplew]

Full games bought with PS+ discounts don't require a sub to play, so why does Drive Club all of a sudden? Doesn't make any sense.

Because they don't offer that option.
You either buy the full game call "Driveclub" or buy DLC for that other game call "Driveclub plus edition". No PS+ discount on "Driveclub", no option to buy "Driveclub plus edition" too.

Sony problem is they keep telling us they will offer a cheaper price upgrade for PS plus user and they fail to deliver that.

 

[ArtHands]

It's what they should have done in the first place, instead of having naive people actually believe a game with the words "plus edition" at the end actually meant a near full game minus a car or 2.

The words "plus edition" is not what leads people to make that assumption. They outright said that it will be a near full game a couple of times.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Obviously because they don't want people to get a free PS+ trial and buy the game for cheaper.

Wow, really, lots of threads and bullshit like this over some $10 of content you get for like $4/month together with 4 other games.

Play the PS+ version for a month or two and then get retail game used for $50. Or if you hate Sony and Evolution just give te money to charity, but stop this nonsense. Complaining and moaning about $10 more or less is what is seriously wrong with this world. Get a job and in the time you spend on this you could easily earn more than $10.

And there is nothing shady and greedy here and no evil plan that you need to stop,

I would say completely misunderstanding the issue people are having and blundering into thread to shout at them, is closer to what is wrong with this world.

 

[viveks86]

I would say completely misunderstanding the issue people are having and blundering into thread to shout at them, is closer to what is wrong with this world.

The best part was

Get a job and in the time you spend on this you could easily earn more than $10

Mind = Blown

 

[Glorified G]

They shouldn't have this type of upgrade to begin with if it's tied to a subscription but if it is then Sony should

A) Offer the $60 full digital version option to PS+ members even if they download the PS+ edition

B) Make it very transparent that the $50 upgrade is tied to a PS+ subscription when buying.

It's a shitty option but if it's blatantly known to the consumer and buying the full disc/digital version is still there and playable offline then I don't have a problem with this. If people want to volunteer for DRM and have their purchases tied to a server then go ahead.

It does suck for people who were looking forward to the PS+ edition upgrade though.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

The best part was



Mind = Blown

Yep, I never realised getting a job destroyed your critical thinking skills. I'm going to have to put my notice in at the lab.

 

[Tcbys]

Obviously because they don't want people to get a free PS+ trial and buy the game for cheaper.

Wow, really, lots of threads and bullshit like this over some $10 of content you get for like $4/month together with 4 other games.

Play the PS+ version for a month or two and then get retail game used for $50. Or if you hate Sony and Evolution just give te money to charity, but stop this nonsense. Complaining and moaning about $10 more or less is what is seriously wrong with this world. Get a job and in the time you spend on this you could easily earn more than $10.

And there is nothing shady and greedy here and no evil plan that you need to stop,

And this is how gaming is in the state that is in,in the first place. People letting dangerous precedents slide. People dident fight hard enough against Bullshit Microtransactions in full priced titles,people dident fight against Day one DLC.

Lets just let all the gaming companys buttfuck us.

 

[wapplew]

It does suck for people who were looking forward to the PS+ edition upgrade though.

Not defending the shitty things, but I would still go this "upgrade route if I like the game, since I've sub for 3 years.

 

[Hanmik]

#NODCSUB... you know that they will just take it as #DC-BONUS...

 

[KingJ2002]

Simple fix.

Change the PS+ Edition name to PS+ Trial Demo.

Offer the digital version of the full game to PS+ subscribers at $50.

Job done. Everybody is happy.

there we go... that works... sony do it.

what sucks the most about this whole thing is that people have been waiting for this game to resurface and when it does it comes back with a ton of conflicting information and deflated hype. I still want this game but Sony's marketing team has to clean up this mess.

 

[darkwing]

hmmm don't see it as an issue myself because I don't think I will get out of the PS+ service any time soon

besides I have several years left because of those crazy PS+ sub discounts before lol

 

[hohoXD123]

My guess is that Brick and mortar execs are forcing Sony to do this. Selling it at $50 for PS+ means it will give the digital version a huge advantage. Given that this is social game it would be dumb not to get the $50 version, therefore Sony is trying to pull a fast one on the Stores but instead caused gamers to get upset.

Not really, don't know about other places but you would probably be able to get it physically for cheaper than £43 in the UK and that comes with all the benefits of physical. Digital is only really justified if you have money to burn and prefer the convenience, or the price is good.

 

[sportzhead]

And this is how gaming is in the state that is in,in the first place. People letting dangerous precedents slide. People dident fight hard enough against Bullshit Microtransactions in full priced titles,people dident fight against Day one DLC.

Lets just let all the gaming companys buttfuck us.

That's not why micro transactions and day one DLC are a thing nowadays. It is because people buy them. Customers complain all the time about them but that doesn't stop a large group from still purchasing them. If gamers don't like what Sony is doing with the PS+ version of Driveclub they don't have to buy it. That will stop these things from happening. Not complaining and buying the stuff anyway.

 

[Korezo]

Going digital is never a good deal, learned that with ps3. But Sony is crazy trying to charge $50 to rent a game + $60 a year to keep playing. All these companies are anti consumer, that's why I never give a damn when they go bankrupt and lose there jobs.

 

[MJLord]

Just sell the Digital version of the full game for a little less than retail and give PS+ a demo version. Regular sales and discounts for PS+ members. THIS IS HOW YOU GET PEOPLE TO GO DD.

It's not fucking hard.