Putting on a desk so I'm going with the 48 inch one,wondering if i should just wait for whatever 42 inch OLED they launch next year but I'm not sure if it will be available in my region or if it is,just be A1 tier.Me too
just ordered a 55 C1, arriving tomorrow
So still no one bringing up the fact LG advise that you have to manually adjust your Black's if VRR is turned on, on a per game basis...
Like a major issue for black levels if you don't do this... and yet the average LG owner can't tell the difference and says "oh the picture is superior to anything I have ever seen", yeah... like colour blind people giving you advise on which colour to paint a strawberry.
This is a known issue because VRR unbalanced the whole picture when on and STILL DOES on LG flagship series unless you manually adjust it to fit the game. Of course while PS5 supports it, really it's more of an issue for Xbox Series X and PC if you have it plugged in (why use a panel that sucks with VRR on a PC?) as from my memory despite Sony declaring it's support I can't remember the last title to feature it.
For people that upgrade there TV every other year this won't be an issue, but if your buying for the console gen... well yeah will become an issue sooner or later.
A minor issue at best. A complete non-issue for many. Still has superior PQ to whatever lcd you're trying to live with.
I would simply not use VRR.You do realise the effect Black Level has on the entire picture right?
That infact no... if your black levels are shit you are infact going to have a worse PQ than an LCD...
because the huge improvement OLED brings to the table is in superior black levels... which is where a majority of it's high contrast ratio comes from... I'm not saying ALL OLED's suffer from this issue because they don't, its just that the C1 and CX DO suffer from this VRR issue that ruins the picture unless you adjust manually.
I would simply not use VRR.
Then you adjust manually. Or don't use it. Quite simple. Maybe it's a deal-breaker for you or some other person. No tv is perfect. Oled is simply the best option we have right now.You do realise the effect Black Level has on the entire picture right?
That infact no... if your black levels are shit you are infact going to have a worse PQ than an LCD...
because the huge improvement OLED brings to the table is in superior black levels... which is where a majority of it's high contrast ratio comes from... I'm not saying ALL OLED's suffer from this issue because they don't, its just that the C1 and CX DO suffer from this VRR issue that ruins the picture unless you adjust manually.
Wasn't planning on it,using it for that seems to increase the chances of burn in.If you can't be bothered to adjust the levels then yes that's pretty much the viable solution. Just don't go using it as a PC monitor or your in for a bad time.
Have you tried connecting a console to it and seeing what it says?sorry to go off topic, but do any of you tv buffs know if my panasonic plasma is 60fps/hz. its over 10 years old model tx p50g30b. it says standard refresh rate is 50hz but enhanced is 600hz? that 600 must be marketing junk, i just want to know if i can get 60fps on it? i'll be getting a c1 in the next few weeks too
I'm not saying ALL OLED's suffer from this issue because they don't, its just that the C1 and CX DO suffer from this VRR issue that ruins the picture unless you adjust manually.
According to Vincent, whose video you're using to bring up this issue, yes, all OLED suffer from this and he claims he's measured it on LEDs too. Apparently the issue is less noticeable on LEDs because their blacks are not that black, but yep, pretty much every VRR compatible TV is suffering from this.
I came from a professionally calibrated plasma to the c1. I honestly can't see much of a difference. I'd go with the settings you see on rtings or perhaps the owner's thread on avs forums. These things are pretty damn accurate out of the box. Put it in cinema, filmmaker or isf, and you're 90 percent there.Welp, I just bought the C1. I chose it over the A80J because I don't trust Sony to implement the additional features they promised to a year ago.
I'm excited to get it setup, but I heard that the C1 will not have the best picture out of the box and will require calibration in order to get the best picture possible. Question for those with the C1: Do you recommend professional calibration or can I follow the general calibrations instructions on a site like rtings.com?
I'm excited to get it setup, but I heard that the C1 will not have the best picture out of the box and will require calibration in order to get the best picture possible.
I wouldn't just blindly do what sites likes RTINGS say, learn what the settings do and settle with settings that most please your eyes.Welp, I just bought the C1. I chose it over the A80J because I don't trust Sony to implement the additional features they promised to a year ago.
I'm excited to get it setup, but I heard that the C1 will not have the best picture out of the box and will require calibration in order to get the best picture possible. Question for those with the C1: Do you recommend professional calibration or can I follow the general calibrations instructions on a site like rtings.com?
Iv had flicker on my Samsung monitor due to VRR however there latest firmware fixed it and it hasn't shown up again.
There TV's also received the same fix and its one of the few models that seems to be able to use VRR without negative consequence. There new Neo QLED with Micro LED's I am lead to believe does not suffer from this either even with its much deeper blacks.
Shame for OLED however.
Gamma for OLED is optimised and fixed for 120 Hz by establishing a fixed charging time for OLED sub-pixels. VRR is used when the frame rate is less than 120 Hz. When the OLED TV uses framerates less than 120 Hz, the gamma curve is inconsistent with the frame rate. For example, a 40 Hz frame rate is longer than 120 Hz frame rate. Therefore, the lower frame rates results in sub pixels that are overcharged, causing flickering of dark grey images, which is noticeable for dark images rather than bright ones, because human eyes are more sensitive to low grey colours
its not arguing when you state facts. oled has worse motion then crt and plasma ,go argue with digital foundry .i also own oled sony and i know its negativesNobody more than you. I own them all and wouldn't trade the oled in for anything. Watch Vincent teohs video comparing oled vs plasma.
I tried looking in my xbox one x settings yesterday but couldn't find anything to indicate 60.Have you tried connecting a console to it and seeing what it says?
It’s still a half baked tech clearly.I would simply not use VRR.
As someone that returned two Samsung QN90As, I can tell you for a fact (outside of overall brightness) that it doesn't hold a candle to the LG C1 (which I now own). When it comes to raised black levels with VRR, LG still dominates. Samsung's tone mapping tends to be way the fuck off and it's local dimming is nerfed when in game mode. Does it still look good? Yes. Is there a lot more blooming and instances where the local dimming doesn't react fast enough? Yes and yes. I'd also like to add utilizing 120hz forces the Samsung to use even less picture processing. Your mileage may vary on how much you'll notice it and on what game though.Iv had flicker on my Samsung monitor due to VRR however there latest firmware fixed it and it hasn't shown up again.
There TV's also received the same fix and its one of the few models that seems to be able to use VRR without negative consequence. There new Neo QLED with Micro LED's I am lead to believe does not suffer from this either even with its much deeper blacks.
Shame for OLED however.
So still no one bringing up the fact LG advise that you have to manually adjust your Black's if VRR is turned on, on a per game basis...
Like a major issue for black levels if you don't do this... and yet the average LG owner can't tell the difference and says "oh the picture is superior to anything I have ever seen", yeah... like colour blind people giving you advise on which colour to paint a strawberry.
This is a known issue because VRR unbalanced the whole picture when on and STILL DOES on LG flagship series unless you manually adjust it to fit the game. Of course while PS5 supports it, really it's more of an issue for Xbox Series X and PC if you have it plugged in (why use a panel that sucks with VRR on a PC?) as from my memory despite Sony declaring it's support I can't remember the last title to feature it.
For people that upgrade there TV every other year this won't be an issue, but if your buying for the console gen... well yeah will become an issue sooner or later.
Raised blacks in VRR mode also affect LCD TVs as advanced LED zone dimming systems must be scaled down or disengaged in VRR mode where the TV synchronizes its refresh rate in real-time to match the frequency output from the PC or game console. It is, however, less visible on LCD TVs due to the generally poorer black levels.
That's why you set your systems to 120hz and leave them alone.I am saying this and get heavily criticized.
Vrr works perfectly fine on an oled but with HZ changing, the near black levels also change. That's why it can even look as flicker.
I've noticed it in resident evil 2. When playing on pc with vrr, when you change in game fps limiter 60-120-30, you can see black level changing
Oled doesn't have worse motion than plasma. You are completely wrong. Go watch Vincents video comparing oled and plasma. Educate yourself then come back.its not arguing when you state facts. oled has worse motion then crt and plasma ,go argue with digital foundry .i also own oled sony and i know its negatives
go watch digital foundry video on crt ,and educate yourselfOled doesn't have worse motion than plasma. You are completely wrong. Go watch Vincents video comparing oled and plasma. Educate yourself then come back.
So you agree with me that plasma has been surpassed by oled in motion and every other aspect? Nice goalpost moving.go watch digital foundry video on crt ,and educate yourself
no because it doesnt. digital foundry states this. crt are still king then plasma then oled and last ledSo you agree with me that plasma has been surpassed by oled in motion and every other aspect? Nice goalpost moving.
You value digital foundry over a well respected professional display calibrator who can prove everything with objective, scientific measurements? Okay then. Lmaono because it doesnt. digital foundry states this. crt are still king then plasma then oled and last led
You're comparing a phone with a 65" TV.... Alrighty then!But what does it look like vs a smartphone? Because I watch 30fps game videos on the OLED phone and it looks ok to me. Is it the same?
Well fuck me.
Just got my C1 delivered yesterday from Amazon with an OCT 2021 manufacture date. My PS5 does show me a message that HDCP 2.3 is not supported and it’s currently displaying HDCP 1.4….
fucking hell bad luck.Me too.
Bought it 3 days ago.
A firmware is coming in 2/3 weeks.
Get some external speakers? Maybe a small soundbar for your setup?fucking hell bad luck.
But stick with it. It's worth it !!!
One thing - if you are using tv audio speakers - be sure to disable atmos nd their ai audio pro... and be sure to reeable sound mode you like 10 times a day.
The tv just keeps fucking changing audio to game optimizer and I prefer cinema much more
The TV have audio mode. I would still pipe sound through the tv...Get some external speakers? Maybe a small soundbar for your setup?
I suppose my question would be how many ps5 and XSX games utilise HDR10+ because there are very few that use Dolby Vision?Just to let you know this doesn’t have HDR10+
fucking hell bad luck.
But stick with it. It's worth it !!!
One thing - if you are using tv audio speakers - be sure to disable atmos nd their ai audio pro... and be sure to reeable sound mode you like 10 times a day.
The tv just keeps fucking changing audio to game optimizer and I prefer cinema much more
SEttings are saved per sdr/hdr on each input.Same. Is there no global control for this? AI Audio sounds like trash.