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lowrider007
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Grecco said:
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Lets turn this thread into this crap pleeeeeeeeeease.
I haven't listened to the show yet but I am glad it's a long one as it helps me get through work.
It was April of 08 (same month as GTA4). But I don't think you can really do that because GTA4 came out the same month and both 360 and PS3 were under 200k. There's a sort of priced-in expectation of future software I think. Software drives hardware directly only for pack-ins, I've learned.Grecco said:
I think Halo 3 is honestly the lone exception this generation.
SolidSnakex
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Grecco said:
Indeed, which is why GT5P has sold 3.3 million units.
Wow, the levy clearly broke.
I say more iPhone talk. You guys didn't even talk about The Creeps, which got a sweet new update! And the 7 Cities update added a new icon! This stuff is the height of radditude and must be discussed in length. Also, a discussion of which iPhone Twitter aps you like the most would be helpful.
I say more iPhone talk. You guys didn't even talk about The Creeps, which got a sweet new update! And the 7 Cities update added a new icon! This stuff is the height of radditude and must be discussed in length. Also, a discussion of which iPhone Twitter aps you like the most would be helpful.
TheGreatDave
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No one is doubting iPhone games can be good (although they're NEVER has good as the people totally in to the platform act like), but I don't really see any of them as being deep enough to warrant any time on a podcast. That's the problem. I love Fieldrunners, I played it more than most games in the last half a year, but I can tell you everything you need to know about it in 30 seconds.
And GT5 may be a system seller, but I still have no idea why. It seems like the most excluding game you can get. It's completely un-fun to me.
And GT5 may be a system seller, but I still have no idea why. It seems like the most excluding game you can get. It's completely un-fun to me.
ViperVisor
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Gran Turismo release will be a interesting event.
Is it really a system seller beyond a small % of racer enthusiast?
Their has been expansion in the area like they said. I got GT3 and that was so long ago it was before Halo was out. Has gaming moved to the shooter at the expense of the racer?
Its sales totals are WOW for sure. But is that more to do with PS2 domination? The game is of such quality and quantity that as long as you had any liking of racers you are going to get your moneys worth.
Are people buying DS to play NSMB or Mario Kart? No. But those are of such quality that you are going to get those.
Is it really a system seller beyond a small % of racer enthusiast?
Their has been expansion in the area like they said. I got GT3 and that was so long ago it was before Halo was out. Has gaming moved to the shooter at the expense of the racer?
Its sales totals are WOW for sure. But is that more to do with PS2 domination? The game is of such quality and quantity that as long as you had any liking of racers you are going to get your moneys worth.
Are people buying DS to play NSMB or Mario Kart? No. But those are of such quality that you are going to get those.
I have an iphone but I also have a DS and PSP. fuck playing games on the iphone. I use it as a phone, social camera, internet/Facebook. Not games.
If they want to talk about iphone gaming this much, make a dedicated casual podcasts... and while we're at that, leave that retarded wii fit/ea exercise shit out of my podcast thanks.
If they want to talk about iphone gaming this much, make a dedicated casual podcasts... and while we're at that, leave that retarded wii fit/ea exercise shit out of my podcast thanks.
dejan said:
Not to drag the old tart out to dance for her dinner once more, but if they did make such a comment in regards to GT (haven't listened yet), then I'd suggest that, at best, you've got a situation where the hosts are making more provocative statements to garner the response you see here. John Davison probably knows more about racing games than anyone else there (both on the podcast, and at whatever is left of Ziff). His features and focus on racing titles back while he was EIC of EGM were why I renewed my subscription to the mag.
I don't own a PS3 and right now, I have no plans to. I"m happy with my 360. But my question would be: what was the context of that statement? Are they saying that GT can't be a system seller, or are they saying that Sony's shit marketing is and will continue to prevent it from being a system seller? I agree with the latter, and completely disagree with the former. Until Sony fixes it's horrid marketing, nothing on that console is going to move a mass of hardware.
Garnett said Sony needs God of War 3 this year, everyone agreed, someone (Patrick?) commented that they don't have a Metal Gear this year, Garnett wised up and remembered GT5 (if it comes out this year), and then Patrick said what he said.
GT is much bigger than God of War.
GT is much bigger than God of War.
Grecco said:
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So WTF am I supposed to do about it?
Dead Man Typing
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Edit: Bah, his comments after he said that do a lot of justify what he's saying. I didn't hear it first time.
I still disagree with him, but the quote being isolated isn't fair to Patrick.
I still disagree with him, but the quote being isolated isn't fair to Patrick.
EternalGamer
Banned
Balb said:
You bring up a good point. And I have been playing videogames since the Atari 2600 days, so I have played a ton of those classic arcade action games. It's what I grew up on. But I can't go back to them, really. And I never really prefer them over games that offer something more involving. This is something I have learned through purchasing countless classic remaks and complilations of those old games. They can't hold my attention for more than a few minutes anymore and they just aren't that interesting.
A day later (and a morning that brings sobriety) and I realize that I was being too simplistic to dismiss the casual games the way in the broad way that I did. But really we are talking about two different categories when we talk about "casual games." One type of game is the games that have hit huge numbers on the Wii with broad demographics. The other type is these little micro-games that are pick up and play for 5 minutes and throw away later. But I don't find either very appealing but for somewhat different reasons.
But I think Y2Kev hit on it better than I did, perhaps. It maybe isn't even the games themselves, but rather the talk about them that is uninteresting. There is not much to say about games that can't hold your interest more than 5 minutes. And I am not "threatened" by the talk, as another poster put it, I'm just bored. I mean, none of these I-phone games can even hold the attention of the person who buys them more than a day or two until the "new" wears off. It seems to be just empty consumerism based on something "new" that drives them. They simply result in conversations where there is not much to say. (And for the record, my partner has an I-phone and I have tried some of these games.) For those of you that have I-phones and want to hear recommendations, that's great, but a recommendation is not a conversation. I don't simply listen to podcasts for advice on what to buy.
Like I said, it is like turning on ESPN and listening to them go on and on about American Idol as a "competitive sport" and then talking about how much the NFL and NHL could learn from American Idol's popularity. These games are different enough that they really are a different category of media.
I also don't need all the games discussed to be about genres I'm interested in or on platforms I own. I loved listening to GFW even though I didn't play PC games and I like Gamers With Jobs even though I don't play strategy games (and they talk about them A LOT). Perhaps all the "casual games" talk isn't even really the reason, but the conversation on 1up yours is just not as compelling anymore. John's new focus on casual games and insinuations about the importance of that market is thing I can point towards that has changed. The loss of Shane is another. 1up yours never had the deepest or most interesting conversations in videogame podcasts (that goes to GFW and Gamers with Jobs) but it was at least topically interesting. Now it seems to be less so.
There is a difference between talking about iPhone games due to actual enthusiasm and talking about iPhone games because they feel they are obligated to or to piss off messageboard people. I think this podcast talks about iPhone games for the latter (the world won't end if you don't have an iPhone game you don't think is mindblowingly awesome this week John) and that is what needs to stop.
But to the other posters in this thread: the notion of removing discussion from games on a games podcast due to the platform it on is just utter nonsense. Everything should be fair game and have equal coverage if there is genuine enthusiasm for it. The podcast would be pretty fucking boring if it was "Listen UP: Games I love on systems I like" edition.
But to the other posters in this thread: the notion of removing discussion from games on a games podcast due to the platform it on is just utter nonsense. Everything should be fair game and have equal coverage if there is genuine enthusiasm for it. The podcast would be pretty fucking boring if it was "Listen UP: Games I love on systems I like" edition.
rollingstart
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Tobor said:
Believe it or not, people still enjoy listening to the podcast; I still enjoy listening to the podcast. It is just criticism about why their iphone talk is bad, not why iphone talk is bad in general.
Personally, I really enjoyed the wordjong talk on the podcast a while back. I did check it out and it is a lot of fun. I actually own an iPod Touch and wouldn't mind hearing about the games in the same way that they talk about other games, but they never do that.
Just read any complaints people have with the iPhone talk and realize it is never about them talking about a game on the iPhone. Hell, I even enjoyed the Doom RPG, or whatever that cellphone game was, talk a few years back.
Y2Kev said:
God of War 3 this would be such a bad move for Sony. Early 2010 when there aren't a lot of other games will be the best choice. At the end of the year everyone will be buying the Halo ODST or Modern Warfare 2 or whatever huge thing that no matter how big God of War seems to be, it wouldn't be in the best position.
If time stamp notes would be cool I can definitely try to start doing some. Worse comes to worse I could maybe scan back through the final and fill in whatever ones I miss while recording.
Despite having a PS2 I bought the GT3 bundle back in the day so you don't have to convince me of its selling power. Patrick's sentiments, though, reflect that it definitely has lost something. Whether that's a result of the competitors, the long time between releases, or some fatigue in general with racing games could be debated well.
If it didn't come across, my frustration with the Sony NPD statement stemmed directly from their having a strong software lineup -- one that they could really try an advance as defining factor compared to their competition -- and then going back down the look at all the things the PS3 does that aren't gaming avenue.
Despite having a PS2 I bought the GT3 bundle back in the day so you don't have to convince me of its selling power. Patrick's sentiments, though, reflect that it definitely has lost something. Whether that's a result of the competitors, the long time between releases, or some fatigue in general with racing games could be debated well.
If it didn't come across, my frustration with the Sony NPD statement stemmed directly from their having a strong software lineup -- one that they could really try an advance as defining factor compared to their competition -- and then going back down the look at all the things the PS3 does that aren't gaming avenue.
Guy Legend
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Shins said:
Whoever said that should be kicked off the podcast.
rollingstart
Banned
Blazyr said:
But Garnett, you're familiar with Top Gear, right? you are aware that Top Gear is basically now associating with Gran Turismo. Top Gear has reviewed GT4 in the past, even in a feature where Jeremy compared GT4 to real life. Right now I'm pretty sure there are Top Gear episodes you can watch in GT5. Real cars debut in the Gran Turismo series and they're usually made to be a big deal (the new GT-R in prologue is the best example). No other racing game gets as much fanfare as Gran Turismo does.
Gran Turismo is not my favorite racing game (I'd say even Forza 2 is better in terms of semi-realistic console racers) but it is definetly part the whole "gaming culture thing" you guys talked about with Punch Out and Street Fighter.
LCfiner said:
yeah, just a few minutes at the end to talk and show the game they're playing. It's nice even though so far the games they've shown haven't interested me enough to buy them yet.
Blazyr said:
I used to listen to Radio Free Nintendo and they had the podcast broken up into chapters that you could skip to, that was pretty damn great. No idea what it takes to do that, but I could never figure out why a small production like that could do it but none of the big podcasts I listen to make it happen. I'm sure it comes down to time.
If one of these publishers really wanted to curry favor with you guys, they'd hire you an intern. He could just wear a Disney shirt every day.
Dead Man Typing
Member
Guy Legend said:
Next week's his last episode.
Sony is in an awkward position from a PR perspective. Trying to address the NPD data that says you arn't selling a lot of software is either the wrong time, or the perfect time to put over your upcoming software line up. Wrong time because your supposed to be addressing last month's sales, not trying to distract from them. Perfect time because you want people to know that you are confident in what's coming and that the situation will improve.
Sony decided to take the focus off of the software. What would possibly have served them better would to have said nothing. The big 3 weighing in on every NPD result is bad for everyone's ego except Nintendo's.
EternalGamer
Banned
LCfiner said:
Yeah, I actually enjoy Co-op's i-phone segments too even though I have no real interest in the games themselves. Co-op is great. It feels just like the 1up show, maybe even better. I even like their more realistic based "skits" better than the 1up show's. Kudos to those guys.
They should have just said "we didn't ship shit last month, what do you expect?".Dead Man Typing said:
Sony PR is embarrassing.
Had they just listed their line-up this year, it wouldn't have helped.
I don't even understand why they feel the need to put out a statement after NPDs.
DeathbyVolcano
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what do you guys think they're speaking of at the end, referring to their E3 presence at the end of that week?
EternalGamer
Banned
Y2Kev said:
To be fair, I think this is partially an age thing. I'm sure I was like that when I was younger too. He tends to speak in declarative sentences. He doesn't ask, "Do you guys think GT has the brand potency of Halo or God of War?" He just simply says it doesn't. I'm sure I was like that at that age too.
Dead Man Typing
Member
BrandNew said:
Good question, what are the plans for E3, Garnett? (or anyone else who's been paying more attention than me)
Will we have daily podcast updates and a poolside finale? I would love to see it happen, but with the smaller editorial/production team covering a much larger E3 than last year, it'll be a bigger challenge than ever to provide us with podcasts and online content. I'm sure whatever we get, it'll be entertaining.