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LOST 04.01: "The Beginning Of The End"

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Madrin said:
I was curious myself about the assumptions that everyone except the "Oceanic 6" is dead. As far as I can remember that was never indicated, and the vague hints we've gotten from Jack's and Hurley's flashforwards seem to point in the other direction.
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Absolutely. There are like 34 people from the plane alone still on that Island.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Absolutely. There are like 34 people from the plane alone still on that Island.
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Yes, that's what I thought to... but perhaps what's most intriguing is... how did Hurley and Jack get off the island and leave them behind?
 
Lakitu said:
Yes, that's what I thought to... but perhaps what's most intriguing is... how did Hurley and Jack get off the island and leave them behind?
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Even knowing who the O6 are (the one thing I've been spoiled on), the entire split and Flash Forward scenario is so fraught with questions about what the hell is going to happen over the next however many episodes.

I watched the episode again (how could I not?) and watching the B-Ball scene I realized that the Season Finale this year is totally going to end with the O6 hitting the mainland, as a parallel to Exodus from S1. And it's going to be the most tragic thing ever, as far as what the realities of the Hurley and Jack FlashFoBacks have implied.

Again, that's what's really impressed me the most with this episode. It raised the stakes on a character level. It added such weight to what was going on in the island. Especially, surprisingly enough, in the return of Big Mike. You know Hugo was just like "Oh, the one Mike shot in the chesssss...uh no. I have no idea who that is."
 
I don't care about theories or speculation or whats going to happen. I only hope that in these 8 episodes we see one episode dedicated to this man

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"I hope so to, brotha"
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Even knowing who the O6 are (the one thing I've been spoiled on), the entire split and Flash Forward scenario is so fraught with questions about what the hell is going to happen over the next however many episodes.

I watched the episode again (how could I not?) and watching the B-Ball scene I realized that the Season Finale this year is totally going to end with the O6 hitting the mainland, as a parallel to Exodus from S1. And it's going to be the most tragic thing ever, as far as what the realities of the Hurley and Jack FlashFoBacks have implied.

Again, that's what's really impressed me the most with this episode. It raised the stakes on a character level. It added such weight to what was going on in the island. Especially, surprisingly enough, in the return of Big Mike. You know Hugo was just like "Oh, the one Mike shot in the chesssss...uh no. I have no idea who that is."
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who's Big Mike?
 
Letting Claire look for Charlie like an idiot was a bit asshole-ish, but it's cruel one way or the other...

Fantastic episode overall, I actually didn't mind the "real world" sequences. I want to know how the hell Jack and Hurley got off the island, 7 days will never seem that long again

my speculation on how things happened: A few people got off the island, one person had to choose them for whatever reason. After that they agree or have to agree that they claim the other survivors dead
 
There's people who want the people on the island and there's people who wanted them to stay on the island (in secret - clearly the more powerful of the two opposing groups). Why? Why oh why
 
I want to know what makes Jack go from playing Horse with Hurley and saying we'll never go back to the island to the bearded on the brink of suicide calling Kate and saying we made a mistake we need to go back Jack.
 
Captain Pants said:
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Kind of OT

Does anybody know the name of the music piece that they play during Charlie's death, and numerous other sad scenes? Its a soft piano driven piece. Thanks.
 
MrOctober said:
Kind of OT

Does anybody know the name of the music piece that they play during Charlie's death, and numerous other sad scenes? Its a soft piano driven piece. Thanks.
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I think it is Parting Words from Michael Giacchino
 
Just rewatched it. I like it better the second time, probably because the hype for Lost finally returning has settled and i could more objectively view it.


How did Locke know about "not Penny's boat?"
 
The Black Brad Pitt said:
Just rewatched it. I like it better the second time, probably because the hype for Lost finally returning has settled and i could more objectively view it.


How did Locke know about "not Penny's boat?"
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Didn't Hurly tell him when they bumped into each other?
 
Linkhero1 said:
Didn't Hurly tell him when they bumped into each other?
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Ok i interpreted it as Locke somehow knowing what happened but upon watching it again, i guess when the scene begins you are meant to assume Hurley already told Locke the backstory.

My bad.
 
MrOctober said:
Kind of OT

Does anybody know the name of the music piece that they play during Charlie's death, and numerous other sad scenes? Its a soft piano driven piece. Thanks.
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"Life and Death" by Michael Giacchino
 
'Lost' roars back with Thurs. win

NEW YORK -- ABC got a boost Thursday night from a familiar band of castaways.

The fourth-season premiere of "Lost" (16.1 million, 6.7 rating/17 share in adults 18-49) towered over the competition in viewership and 18-49, Nielsen Media Research said late Friday. It was up strongly from last year's season finale (13.7 million, 5.8/15), no doubt in part to not having to face "American Idol" like it did in May when it aired on Wednesday and not Thursday.

It was down 15% in viewers and 13% in 18-49 compared with last year's season premiere (18.8 million, 7.7/19) but "Lost" had its best ratings since the part-season finale Nov. 8, 2006, and was above its season average last year.
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr...ngs/e3ia68feb4e2d5900e47c15c857a8015761?imw=Y
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Wait for eight weeks from now.

"Tt! They couldn't even keep that shit on the air! Suckas!"
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Eight weeks from now we'll finally realize how shitty this strike really is. It will be a sad sad day.
 
RumpledForeskin said:
They couldn't even match last years premier's ratings, even with being one of the only few shows with new material on!
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Well, they've overcome the downslide they saw from the latter 2/3rds of Season 3, even when they switched to a different night.....that oughtta count for something :)
 
RumpledForeskin said:
They couldn't even match last years premier's ratings, even with being one of the only few shows with new material on!
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This...is true. So has Charlie's note been discussed already? I can't remember the specifics, but didn't he put the note in Desmond's pocket after knocking him out? Do we know what it says?
 
promised myself iwould wait till all the episodes aired, fuck that :lol .. loved the episode, i like how it was a straight continuation of the awesomeness that was season 3 :D
 
Awesome episode. Why Hurley felt it was a mistake to go with Locke in the flash forward is the main thing thats been bugging me. I really want Locke to be right and Jack to come crawling back with an apology.

Blader5489 said:
"Life and Death" by Michael Giacchino
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That dude does such an awesome job. I cant think of a tv show ive ever seen with a better original soundtrack.
 
Great episode and well worth the wait. I think the move to flash-forward is going to work out well.

I can't be the only one who cringed at Sawyer's line, though.
 
Looks like I was the only one not to feel the new episode. I thought the writing was horrible. Some incredibly cliched moments that really felt out of line with the previous seasons. It got better toward the end though and, besides the fact I'd obviously watch the next episode, really made me WANT to watch the next episode. So it is certainly doing what LOST does which is keeping me intrigued. But man, the corny lines really ruined this episode for me.
 
Mar_ said:
Looks like I was the only one not to feel the new episode. I thought the writing was horrible. Some incredibly cliched moments that really felt out of line with the previous seasons. It got better toward the end though and, besides the fact I'd obviously watch the next episode, really made me WANT to watch the next episode. So it is certainly doing what LOST does which is keeping me intrigued. But man, the corny lines really ruined this episode for me.
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I could have done without the slow-motion Hurley cannonball and Sawyer's awkward, one-sentence summary of Sawyer, but nothing else really offended me. Which parts are you talking about?
 
Night_Trekker said:
I could have done without the slow-motion Hurley cannonball and Sawyer's awkward, one-sentence summary of Sawyer, but nothing else really offended me. Which parts are you talking about?
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I'm horribly drunk at the moment and will have to watch it again. But from what I remember the trouble started with the first scene.
Hollywood style cops chasing Hurley in a car was cringe worthy, and everything the cops said, then Naomi's coughing spluttering then face plant death, Hurley running from the house screaming, even Ben's lines which usually have my ears directed at the speakers for every word seemed to irk me.
There were more mostly at the beginning but that's what I'm remembering right now. The line delivery just seemed completely off to me. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the cutting actually. Faster perhaps? Maybe they are trying to cut faster in these episodes in order to cover more territory in less time (8 episodes).

I didn't have a problem with the slo-mo Hurley beach run. I mean, he's a huge dude and he deserves his slo-mo emotional scene just like anyone else right?

Anyway, I'm still a huge lost fan. I really look forward to the next episode.
 
Hurley is one of my favorite characters. I just sensed a touching, slow-motion scene was coming and then it did, and I rolled my eyes.
And afterwards I smiled in spite of all that.

I also felt something about the episode was slightly off, but I was too happy to have more Lost to really care. I can't wait for the next one.
 
Mar_ said:
Looks like I was the only one not to feel the new episode. I thought the writing was horrible. Some incredibly cliched moments that really felt out of line with the previous seasons. It got better toward the end though and, besides the fact I'd obviously watch the next episode, really made me WANT to watch the next episode. So it is certainly doing what LOST does which is keeping me intrigued. But man, the corny lines really ruined this episode for me.
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You're not the only one. There were a boatload of awful cringeworthy moments and lines of dialogue, but then again, that's not really any different to most episodes. Most of the Lost fans are probably immune to the horrible cheese by now.
 
MrOctober said:
I want to know what makes Jack go from playing Horse with Hurley and saying we'll never go back to the island to the bearded on the brink of suicide calling Kate and saying we made a mistake we need to go back Jack.
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Yeah this has me really intrigued as well. Jack seems perfectly happy to be back home at this point and I think that if he actually believed there were 34 other innocent people stranded back on the island he wouldn't feel so comfortable. Personally I think something bad happens to Locke's group, and most of the party die. I'd say the only survivors are people like Locke, Ben, maybe Danielle (people that Jack doesn't really care about.) I think Locke and the rest of the party are going to realise that they have to stay on the island to prevent something terrible from happening. They try to warn Jack, but Jack just think they've gone crazy, and disgusted by the fact that Locke has got so many people killed, the oceanic 6 decide to leave Locke, Ben, and a few others (maybe Claire and the baby?) on the island.

I think once they get back Hurley's conscience starts to get the better of him, (which makes me think that Claire or someone like that is among the party that believe they have to stay on the island.) Charlie saying 'they need you' is a reference to the group on the island not being able to save the world/prevent some huge catastrophe alone (maybe they are getting hunted by the smoke monster or something, which is trying to stop them.) Notice at this point Hurley still thinks that it was the right decision to go with Jack (probably because Locke got a lot of people killed trying to learn the truth.)

I think at some point between this flash-forward, and the flash-forward seen in season 6 finale, Jack learns that Locke was right, that they did have to stay, to prevent some sort of disaster. I think Jack has co operated with the Matthew Abaddon character, and the organisation that he works for learns that there are still a few survivors on the island and go back to kill them. I believe they succeed and kill Locke but then Jack somehow comes to realise that Locke was right and that they had to stay on the island. Now Jack is completely crushed because he is responsible for the murder of the people that were trying to do good, and he is also responsible for them failing in their bid to prevent the catastrophe from happening.

Spotless Mind said:
You're not the only one. There were a boatload of awful cringeworthy moments and lines of dialogue, but then again, that's not really any different to most episodes. Most of the Lost fans are probably immune to the horrible cheese by now.
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This may be true. I usually hate cheesy Hollywood BS but I really just brush it aside when I watch Lost. I think it's because, for the most part, the writing is good, the characters are outstanding, and I really appreciate the intricate puzzle that the writers have created. Looking back on it now there were quite a few cheesy or clichéd moments in this episode but I get so excited, and my mind gets so carried away with all the good stuff, that the rubbish just washes away without me giving it much thought. In the shows defence it isn’t THAT cheesy. Sure it has its odd moment but the good far outweighs the bad in my opinion.
 
Spotless Mind said:
You're not the only one. There were a boatload of awful cringeworthy moments and lines of dialogue, but then again, that's not really any different to most episodes. Most of the Lost fans are probably immune to the horrible cheese by now.
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(Edit: That was mean and made me feel bad. I'm a Locke-r and must stay positive.)
 
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