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Lost 06.04: "The Substitute" (dir. Cain; Belushi, Gossett Jr., Dawn Chong)
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Yeah.. and stop me if I'm wrong here.. we had a bit of buildup to that whole thing, didn't we? I mean, I don't remember it just all popping up out of nowhere. Either way even if it did, go back and look at the audio cues during Roses appearance it was like super intense.. I just don't think the coincidences are being handled as well as they have been.Blader5489 said:
And I said it before, I'm just not feeling as invested in the Alternate timeline characters. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.
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Interesting, according to DarkUFO a major spoiler regarding Ilana's importance to the island was supposed to be included in the episode. This was the most spoilt episode of the season so far with spoiled fans knowing pretty much everything going in and DarkUFO received info prior to airing that some scenes had been re-shot to counter the leaks. I wonder when the info will pop-up. Damn, it would have topped the episode off even more having a revelation like that (assuming it is as big as they say). You know spoilers are going too far when the show has to work around them 
Parallax Scroll
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God damn this was a good episode.
I think I know what it is.InaudibleWhispa said:Interesting, according to DarkUFO a major spoiler regarding Ilana's importance to the island was supposed to be included in the episode. This was the most spoilt episode of the season so far with spoiled fans knowing pretty much everything going in and DarkUFO received info prior to airing that some scenes had been re-shot to counter the leaks. I wonder when the info will pop-up. Damn, it would have topped the episode off even more having a revelation like that (assuming it is as big as they say). You know spoilers are going too far when the show has to work around them
I can see how it would have fit the episode. Funny that they actually changed it due to leaks :lol
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It doesn't surprise me. They re-shot the ending to season 6 of 24 when the real endingDead said:
Tony Almeida appears
brandonh83
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InaudibleWhispa said:
Still pisses me off to this day.
Freedom = $1.05
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So, it's safe to assume that Ben X was shot by Sayid X, right? I really don't care for a Lost universe where Ben wasn't shot by Sayid.
BenjaminBirdie
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I had the weirdest dream. People were discussing spoilers in this thread, and not the spoiler thread linked in the OP.
Then I woke up and watched some Yo Gabba Gabba. I hope they get Jorge Garcia on one day.
Then I woke up and watched some Yo Gabba Gabba. I hope they get Jorge Garcia on one day.
Old video, new to me. :lol
Hitler frustrated with Lost. Sounds a lot like many people in this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXzlNsUHtpQ&feature=related
Hitler frustrated with Lost. Sounds a lot like many people in this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXzlNsUHtpQ&feature=related
Blader5489 said:
:lol Well, these are probably just coincidences, but:
- According to the novel Bad Twin, East 57th Street in New York City is where Widmore Corporation's offices are, which is the same location The Hanso Foundation's offices reside.
- Widmore could be a decedent from someone on the Black Rock (since the Others/Natives/Hostiles are possibly a mixture of past castaways and decedents from the Black Rock themselves), Alvar is a decedent from someone from the Black Rock as well. I'm guessing Charles is since he is seen in the Constant buying it's ledger (which doesn't prove anything and he could just be a collector of antiques). He also owns a painting of the ship in his home.
- Widmore is (was) the leader of the Others. Magnus Hanso was the ship captain, for all we know, being in charge of the others would be fitting for a decedent of the ship's captain.
The thing is... I don't know if there is or isn't a physical or blood connection between the two, I really don't want to speculate on it too much...
I just hope that after years of LOST's ARG, it'd be nice to have some overlap in prime-time, you know, for added closure. That includes the whole Hanso story summed in current events, in something other than youtube videos and a wiki, you know?
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I had to share this because it fucking killed me, here's from an MSN chat I was having with a friend who also watches:
"I watched this episode with a cat in my lap the entire time, and when that happened (the cave) I was like "Ah ha... Smockes secret volcanic lair...*strokes cat*" just about 10 secs later something happened on-screen that startled it slightly, and this was just as Smocke crossed out Lockes name... and I was just like WHEN MR. BIGGLESWORTH GETS UPSET, people die."
"I watched this episode with a cat in my lap the entire time, and when that happened (the cave) I was like "Ah ha... Smockes secret volcanic lair...*strokes cat*" just about 10 secs later something happened on-screen that startled it slightly, and this was just as Smocke crossed out Lockes name... and I was just like WHEN MR. BIGGLESWORTH GETS UPSET, people die."
someone in the thread mentioned that they disliked that Sawyer instantly recognized Locke wasn't Locke...but they're initial few lines of dialogue were literally:
"I thought you were dead"
"I am!"
...I'd be a little disappointed in Sawyer if he didn't suspect something was amiss at that point :lol
"I thought you were dead"
"I am!"
...I'd be a little disappointed in Sawyer if he didn't suspect something was amiss at that point :lol
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Bad Twin ain't canon.
I figured that Widmore buying the Black Rock ledger was part of his plan to find the island again (if Hanso used it to find the island himself, then maybe Widmore figured the same would work for him). Plus, Widmore probably knows about the Black Rock since he lived on the island for decades.
Well the reason that stuff is kept to the ARG is because it doesn't overlap with the show. Yeah it answers some questions raised in the show, but it's so far detached from the characters and what they've dealt with the past six years. People are complaining about answers being shoehorned in already, taking time to address a bunch of fringe elements (Hanso, Valenzetti equation, etc.) would be extremely forced and out of place.
To please Stuburns they should have had a scene that goes something like:
Sawyer: I thought you were dead.
Locke: I am.
Sawyer: But you look and talk exactly like Locke.
Locke: I know.
(lengthy pause)
Sawyer: But then how are you not Locke?
Locke: I'm just not.
Sawyer: Man, this island is weird.
Locke: I know.
Sawyer: I thought you were dead.
Locke: I am.
Sawyer: But you look and talk exactly like Locke.
Locke: I know.
(lengthy pause)
Sawyer: But then how are you not Locke?
Locke: I'm just not.
Sawyer: Man, this island is weird.
Locke: I know.
Saren is Bad
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Is it just me or is Flocke actually gathering all the candidates to eliminate them in order for him to be the protector of the Island? I mean all the names were crossed off, signifying that they were dead, thus he is getting closer to the position?
This would explain the exchange in S5: they come, they fight, they corrupt - they cannot be protectors of the Island. MIB thinks he can do the job ("You're trying to prove me wrong"), so if you look at the spectrum you have Jacob - Candidates (the people Jacob has touched and brought to the Island, effectively blocking MiB's advances to leadership) - MiB. MiB is almost rubbing it in Jacob's face like "You bring all these people here to take over and it never works, just give me the job."
For some reason this was painfully obvious to me but I haven't seen anyone else discuss it.
This would explain the exchange in S5: they come, they fight, they corrupt - they cannot be protectors of the Island. MIB thinks he can do the job ("You're trying to prove me wrong"), so if you look at the spectrum you have Jacob - Candidates (the people Jacob has touched and brought to the Island, effectively blocking MiB's advances to leadership) - MiB. MiB is almost rubbing it in Jacob's face like "You bring all these people here to take over and it never works, just give me the job."
For some reason this was painfully obvious to me but I haven't seen anyone else discuss it.
Saren is Bad
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InaudibleWhispa said:Interesting, according to DarkUFO a major spoiler regarding Ilana's importance to the island was supposed to be included in the episode. This was the most spoilt episode of the season so far with spoiled fans knowing pretty much everything going in and DarkUFO received info prior to airing that some scenes had been re-shot to counter the leaks. I wonder when the info will pop-up. Damn, it would have topped the episode off even more having a revelation like that (assuming it is as big as they say). You know spoilers are going too far when the show has to work around them
I know what it is and while its not major (doesn't reveal where the season is going at all), it is a significant tidbit that justifies some of her actions...I think they will reveal it, because it'll take away from her character if they don't.
TheVampire
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Has anyone got a GIF of that smokemonster camera that was at the start of the episode?
That was awesome seeing his point of view as he moved around the island.
That was awesome seeing his point of view as he moved around the island.
Blader5489 said:
(-_-) See... and my friends wonder why I don't read books and comics that expand a franchise, or bother with ARGs anymore. This makes me even more curious of the Richard centric episode.
Also... this is the first time I've seen Richard look like he nearly shat his pants. When he waited for Flock to leave and went over to Sawyer, I swear I couldn't stop laughing. He looked very man-handled/traumatized.
I really can't wait for that Richard episode!
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Blader5489 said:Not enough people commented on this badass incest cover, so I'm forced to repost it:
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Salmonax said:
Well, and this is what I find interesting, the spoiler never specified that it would be mentioned in this episode, or rather it was never explicitly stated. So, if I had to guess, the next time we see Illana it'll be revealed.
Mik2121 said:
Since I doubt they would introduce a new character in the guise of a small kid this late in the show, I have to assume it's either Jacob or Aaron, leaving open the possibility that they are one and the same.
If they introduce some new overlord type character who bosses around both MIB and Jacob, then he better be the most badass-looking motherfucker ever.
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