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LOST 06.05: "Lighthouse" (Ben has been Claire'd for this week)

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I think Timeline X is going to "explode" or whatever.
What i mean, i think they will become aware that something is off, making the timeline non-existent or something, maybe triggered by stuff that will happen on the Island.

Uhm, i hope that's making some sense, sounded way more logical in my head.
 
brandonh83 said:
Matthew Fox, paraphrasing: "About halfway through the show, the two timelines will converge and then it will be a straight shot to the finale."
If I remember rightly that interview was from months ago and his sentence started with "At a guess" because at that point they weren't that far through the season. However Fox has always been a bit more in the know than the others, I think he's the only member of the cast who knows the final moments of the show. But judging by upcoming episode centricity I can't see the flash sideways ending anytime soon. I still don't believe in the epilogue theory, but I think the alt timeline will be around until the finale.
 
InaudibleWhispa said:
I think he's the only member of the cast who knows the final moments of the show.

According to Evangeline Lilly, thats BS. She says she knows who feeds him info and that it is wrong :lol
 
Arjen said:
I think Timeline X is going to "explode" or whatever.
What i mean, i think they will become aware that something is off, making the timeline non-existent or something, maybe triggered by stuff that will happen on the Island.

Uhm, i hope that's making some sense, sounded way more logical in my head.

I get what you are trying to say :p
 
I give, there's always something that discredits something else :lol

I don't really care though, it's not an epilogue and I'm not worried about it being one.
 
Solo said:
According to Evangeline Lilly, thats BS. She says she knows who feeds him info and that it is wrong :lol
:lol

I can't see the timelines ending anytime soon. I hope they tie in together more by ep 7-8 or so I guess.
 
I don't think they have to necessarily tie the timelines together that quickly. What they need to do soon, though, is give us some context. Show how timeline X matters at all to the original timeline. We don't need to see exactly how they connect and exactly how they'll end up converging - we just need to see some things that make the two timelines cohesive to the Lost whole.

The biggest reason a lot of people don't care about timeline X so far is specifically because we haven't been given that overall context, so it's essentially like watching a bunch of strangers with the same voices and faces. Lindelcuse don't want timeline X to be referred to and seen as alternate, bizarro or some "what if" scenario, but they haven't given us much to consider it otherwise.
 
We're about to be a third of the way through this season and they're still just hinting at people being aware of the other timeline. They had better start picking up the pace if there's even a chance of the two timelines merging by episode 12.
 
Said it before but with free will being such a big deal on the show, I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the show the people left standing will have an opportunity to choose their destiny. Jack for example could either become the ageless mystical protector of the island ala Jacob, or he can jump into the X-timeline(retaining all of the memories of the familiar one) and raise his son, live life sans the Island, which is why he detonated Jughead(and in the process created the X-timeline) to begin with.
 
So, where did Jack's son and the lighthouse come from?

I feel like I'm being trolled by the Lost writers. This shit has to stop.
 
Zeliard said:
I don't think they have to necessarily tie the timelines together that quickly. What they need to do soon, though, is give us some context. Show how timeline X matters at all to the original timeline. We don't see to see exactly how they connect and exactly how they'll end up converging - we just need to see some things that make the two timelines cohesive to the Lost whole.

The biggest reason a lot of people don't care about timeline X so far is specifically because we haven't been given that overall context, so it's essentially like watching a bunch of strangers with the same voices and faces. Lindelcuse don't want timeline X to be referred to and seen as alternate, bizarro or some "what if" scenario, but they haven't given us much to consider it otherwise.

I think a lot of people are serious short term thinkers. I'm loving the X timeline because I know it wil be explained and in a simple way. So I just enjoy the ride for now.

I like the Truman Show theory and was thinking about it a bit since we know that some are powerful enough to stage an airplane crash, but staging a fake LA is a little different. I actually like an earlier scenario in Fantastic Four where Doctor Doom had little minitures of the FF planted in a miniature town and transplanted their minds into them.

This could be the equivalent of that. They can't remember every detail in their lives because they weren't told everything. They remember certain historical events (Marriage, a crime committed, etc...), but would not remember more mundane matters (Like an appendix being taken out or how long a kid was playing piano) However, it would explain why the X Timeline has it's share of problems but are rectified to an extent...almost like they need to have some peace of mind before they are able to accomplish what they need to do on the island.

However, this does not explain Locke at all who I think is dead as a doorknob, unless Smokey is infected with Lockeitis. I keep thinking of O'Quinn's interviews that indicate that's how is playing Smokey. He's said it a few times now.

I won't care about a "just a dream scenario either as long as it is finished before the finale and the finale is not contingent on it. They haven't used those spider bites from the Nikki & Paulo episode in a while.
 
Second said:
So, where did Jack's son and the lighthouse come from?

I feel like I'm being trolled by the Lost writers. This shit has to stop.
Jack's son is X timeline.

Lighthouse has never been seen before because probably it was hidden behind a mountain :p.
 
MMaRsu said:
Jack's son is X timeline.

Lighthouse has never been seen before because probably it was hidden behind a mountain :p.

I'm still thinking that the Jacob's lighthouse is like Jacob's cabin; it just isn't there unless you are supposed to go to it.
 
the final scene of the final episode will be Jack and Lock sitting on the beach in handmade clothes eating fish and Locke will go "Do you know how much I hate you right now?". Then they'll look out over the water and the black rock will be sailing past.

LOST
 
MMaRsu said:
Jack's son is X timeline.

Lighthouse has never been seen before because probably it was hidden behind a mountain :p.

X timelime?
What's the relevance of that? Sounds like filler, so far.
So in X timeline the Island never happened? Ehh ok..
 
Filler?

Lost hasn't done anything approaching filler since mid S3--- LA X isn't filler. Lindelcuse will rain the awesome on us all.
 
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X timelime?
What's the relevance of that? Sounds like filler, so far.
So in X timeline the Island never happened? Ehh ok..

Ehh have you watched any of the previous 5 Lost episodes like AT ALL?

How have you not picked up on this? It's not filler btw, lolz.
 
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X timelime?
What's the relevance of that? Sounds like filler, so far.
So in X timeline the Island never happened? Ehh ok..

I don't understand why so many people are deciding this X timeline is 'worthless' so soon.

If the last episode comes and goes and all that happens is that Jack becomes a better father then start bitching, otherwise I'm fairly confident that it will have meaning, and be crucial to the ending of the main story we've been following.
 
gdt5016 said:
Filler?

Lost hasn't done anything approaching filler since mid S3--- LA X isn't filler. Lindelcuse will rain the awesome on us all.

Well, I hope so. All of the events in the X timeline have been pretty irrelevant so far.

Kate escaping again and meeting up with Claire. Irrelevant
Jin being an asshole husband. Irrelevant
Locke getting fired and meeting up with Hurley and Jack. Irrelevant.
Jack having an emo son. Pretty stupid.

All I'm saying is that this timeline X scenario had been pretty underwhelming so far and hasn't really add anything to the show. Besides one person- David.
So I guess he must play a big role somehow. I mean, he has to. Why should he be added?

I hope the show's scriptwriters will wow me at the end, but I'm just disappointed so far. I expected the final season to be more dynamic, and hoped they wouldn't add more crazy things to it...
 
Second said:
Kate escaping again and meeting up with Claire. Irrelevant.

Wrong.

Second said:
Jin being an asshole husband. Irrelevant

Probably, but they didn't promise that Jin being an asshole was meant to signify anything.

Second said:
Locke getting fired and meeting up with Hurley and Jack. Irrelevant.

Wrong.

Second said:
Jack having an emo son. Pretty stupid.

Wrong.

Second said:
All I'm saying is that this timeline X scenario had been pretty underwhelming so far

Opinion, fair enough.

Second said:
and hasn't really add anything to the show.

Wrong.

Just you wait! :D
 
Second said:
X timelime?
What's the relevance of that? Sounds like filler, so far.
So in X timeline the Island never happened? Ehh ok..

What?! How do you get though even episode one and not understand that they never went to the island? I mean, seriously...
 
Zeliard said:
I don't think they have to necessarily tie the timelines together that quickly. What they need to do soon, though, is give us some context. Show how timeline X matters at all to the original timeline. We don't need to see exactly how they connect and exactly how they'll end up converging - we just need to see some things that make the two timelines cohesive to the Lost whole.

The biggest reason a lot of people don't care about timeline X so far is specifically because we haven't been given that overall context, so it's essentially like watching a bunch of strangers with the same voices and faces. Lindelcuse don't want timeline X to be referred to and seen as alternate, bizarro or some "what if" scenario, but they haven't given us much to consider it otherwise.
It's pretty amazing how they were far more worried about the time travel season than they are of this season. They must have some amazing shit up their sleeve for the reveal.
 
I really hope I'm wrong.
But I'm always like this during the beginning of a Lost season. And the show always somehow managed to blow my mind in the end.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
It's pretty amazing how they were far more worried about the time travel season than they are of this season. They must have some amazing shit up their sleeve for the reveal.
Here's an except from a short story written in 1941 by Jorge Luis Borges I like:

" The Garden of Forking Paths is an incomplete, but not false, image of the universe as Ts'ui Pên conceived it. In contrast to Newton and Schopenhauer, your ancestor did not believe in a uniform, absolute time. He believed in an infinite series of times, in a growing, dizzying net of divergent, convergent and parallel times. This network of times which approached one another, forked, broke off, or were unaware of one another for centuries, embraces all possibilities of time. We do not exist in the majority of these times; in some you exist, and not I; in others I, and not you; in others, both of us. In the present one, which a favorable fate has granted me, you have arrived at my house; in another, while crossing the garden, you found me dead; in still another, I utter these same words, but I am a mistake, a ghost."

Flashforwards, flashbacks, and time travel were very easy to understand.
Edit:^^meant to say time travel not flashsideways.

Man, this convergent/divergent/parallel time line business can be simple or very complex.
 
I am LOVING this season, its brilliant and every episode is kicking ass.

I am treating the Timeline X/Flashsideways like the Biff Tanon version of the 1985 in Back to the Future II. Something changed (in my opinion Jacob didn't contact them, so no plane crash) and its altered this reality.

Or.. The island DID all happen, but now they have been placed back in the plane again, but things are different (scars, Kate being innocent?, etc). So again, kinda like how Marty changed his parents in BTTF1.

Probably neither, but its fooking sweet!
 
brandonh83 said:
Wrong.



Probably, but they didn't promise that Jin being an asshole was meant to signify anything.



Wrong.



Wrong.



Opinion, fair enough.



Wrong.

Just you wait! :D



Seriously hope you're not basing this on spoilers and are just showing faith in the show, because a lot of your posts in this thread read like you think you're stopping just short of spoiling things.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
So, what do you think of this:

Sun finds Jin -> Sun gives Claire Charlie's ring - > Claire snaps out of her daze.
Claire will just be all "Who's Charleeeey, did I knawww him?" and offer Sun some coffee.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
So, what do you think of this:

Sun finds Jin -> Sun gives Claire Charlie's ring - > Claire snaps out of her daze.

Sun finds Jin--> Flocke tells Claire to kill both Kwons -->Sun gives Claire Chatlie's ring-->Claire is enamoured with it long enough for them to GTFA-->Flocke kills Claire.

LOST
 
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SpeedingUptoStop said:
So, what do you think of this:

Sun finds Jin -> Sun gives Claire Charlie's ring - > Claire snaps out of her daze.

^ I like it. Either that or she'll ax Sun in the chest before Jin can hobble over to stop Claire.


What do you think of this?
108-Wallace is Aaron. Claire's mom gets remarried. They fly out of Sydney for the honeymoon, and *Lost noise* Aaron vanishes off the plane. Kate finds him wandering around on the beach, she literally shits her pants, and for the rest of the season she is forced to go bottomless.

LOST
 
Talking with friend about Lost again, he's right up to just before the S4 three part finale:

"They seem to be strongly hint that Locke can't die - even being born was a near death experience for him!" :-[ He still is pretty high on the belief that sawyer is in the coffin.

Also brought to light a nice character development for Sawyer with the nicknames . At first, Sawyer doesn't give a shit about anyone, gives'em all nicknames ->gets that privelege taken away, leads him to caring about people -> culminates in the firefight when he's screaming Claire's name.

"with Hurley seeing dead Charlie...is Hurley insane?" :lol :-]

"It's almost like Locke started the third version of the Others, with them all living at the barracks after they wiped out the others liked Ben lived there after he wiped out Dharma.

"can't think of a more badass way to kill somebody than choking them to death with 200 year old slave pirate ship chains, man."

"Jacob is apparently like, The ruler of the earth if he's got this magical mystery island shit under control."

"Haven't showed Vincent on the show in a while, HE BETTER BE FUCKING OKAY! They atleast could've showed him in the future, with Hurley at the mental hospital or some shit, one scene, BAM, we're done. his fate's up in the air! He was like, the second character shown on the show, he's pretty damn important!"

He really sheds a new light on the show for me, it's nice.
 
I don't recall who mentioned it first but I really like the explanation of the X timeline as non-Jacob involvement.

Seems the events in X are still related to the island though... pretty confusing. Hopefully most things make sense in the end.
 
They may simply end Lost, which has a pretty downbeat tone much of the time, with a happy ending of sorts by using timeline X as a device to bring the dead characters back and merge them with the survivors in the original timeline.
 
Archaix said:
Seriously hope you're not basing this on spoilers and are just showing faith in the show, because a lot of your posts in this thread read like you think you're stopping just short of spoiling things.

I don't read spoilers.
 
Zeliard said:
They may simply end Lost, which has a pretty downbeat tone much of the time, with a happy ending of sorts by using timeline X as a device to bring the dead characters back and merge them with the survivors in the original timeline.
And ruin the show in the process
 
Thinking back on things ive come to think that Hurley cannot see dead people, he only sees Jacob. This accounts for the difference in how Miles and Hurley see the dead. Every vision of Hurleys weve seen has had a "ghost" advise him on how to get back to the island.

Is there anything im missing about this?
 
Nameless said:
Now that you bring up Speeding, I don't believe Sawyer has thrown out a single nickname all season.
Even tells Miles to stop calling him Boss too.

Number 2 said:
Thinking back on things ive come to think that Hurley cannot see dead people, he only sees Jacob. This accounts for the difference in how Miles and Hurley see the dead. Every vision of Hurleys weve seen has had a "ghost" advise him on how to get back to the island.

Is there anything im missing about this?
Jacob telling him he had a gift and that he wasn't crazy?
 
Number 2 said:
Thinking back on things ive come to think that Hurley cannot see dead people, he only sees Jacob. This accounts for the difference in how Miles and Hurley see the dead. Every vision of Hurleys weve seen has had a "ghost" advise him on how to get back to the island.

Is there anything im missing about this?
Makes sense except I don't think we've seen Jacob take other forms.
 
The Name Game: The Latest Internet Lost Theories
from Vulture by Michael Alan Connelly and Alexandra Martell
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What’s in a name? As this week’s installment of Lost reminded us, a whole lot. Whether it was reviewing screenshots of the names on the dial, thinking back to the names written on the cave’s walls, or wondering who’s on their way to the island, “Lighthouse” had us playing the name game as we tried to figure out what will happen next. As usual, we turned to our favorite Internet Lost experts for guidance — as well as you, dear readers! Turns out you guys catch things that many Lost obsessives don't, and kindly share them in the comments. Read on to see what we learned from this week's episode.

• Jace thinks that we've known about Jacob's little house of mirrors all along. He guesses that the flashbacks we've seen throughout the series have actually been Jacob watching in the mirror, similar to how Smokey seems to scan and "download" information from people he comes across. He also points out that Claire appears to be able to differentiate between Christian and Smokey, and that Christian's body is still missing. So who's Christian? [Televisionary]

• Speaking of Claire knowing MIB right away, does that mean that "infected" people can spot him, no matter what he looks like? Bonus trivia: Did you notice that Jack's ex-wife's address is house number 23? And that the hieroglyph Hurley was looking for was an ouroboros, the same symbol Eloise Hawking had a brooch of in "Flashes Before Your Eyes"? [It Happened Last Night/Zap2It]

• Whose name corresponds to the all-important number 108 on the lighthouse dial? Well, it could be Penny or Charles Widmore, Walt, or Desmond. But since the name written on the dial is “Wallace,” maybe it’s a character we haven’t met yet. [DocArzt’s Lost Blog]

• Dismissing speculation that the aforementioned Wallace is Walt or Widmore, one fan speculates that it refers to none other than Jacob himself! That’s right: Jacob Wallace. This also ties in nicely with the previously floated idea that Jacob is somehow the sum of all the candidates. [Lost Theories]

• Wondering whom Jacob is trying to bring to the island, one theorist suspects it’s either Desmond, because the island isn’t “done” with him, according to Eloise Hawking, or Charles Widmore, who seemed to be turning over a new leaf last season by helping Locke and Desmond. And for the hell of it, a guess on who sideways Jack’s ex-wife is: Juliet! [Mistaking Coincidence for Fate]

• According to Matthew Fox himself, Jacob's little plan worked: "I think in the end, after the wrestling he’s gone through with this argument between reason and faith, finally coming up against the indisputable fact that his destiny does lie on this island will be a relief," he told People. "Everything lies on Jack succeeding and accomplishing something there." So, you know, no pressure. [TV Watch/People]

• The sideways world’s narrative seems to be following a pattern: “A character gets a somewhat different resolution than we might have expected, then (dun-dun-dun!) an Other turns up.” [Watcher/Chicago Tribune]

• With Jack and Hurley on Team Jacob, and Sawyer and (eventually) Kate on Team Smokey, it seems like the series will end in a final showdown between Jack and Locke, just as it has so many times before. [BuddyTV]

• Kate was listed on the dial at 51 degrees, and although it’s not an important number to us, it is important to note that her name wasn’t crossed out, just like the other candidates. It’s also important that her name wasn’t listed on the walls of the cave in the last episode, since this discrepancy seems to suggest that there is a real list that Jacob made, and a fake one that Smokey copied. [Dark UFO]

• Tom and Lorenzo point out that Jack's son and appendectomy scar mean that the start date for the changes in this new timeline actually appear to go back decades. Decades to, say, 1977. [Tom and Lorenzo]

• Doc Jensen also thinks that what went down in 1977 had some big ramifications in the alternate timeline. He wonders if Jack's collapse and resulting appendectomy happened at the same moment that, on the island, post-Oceanic Juliet detonated Jughead. Did that cause some of Oceanic Jack's consciousness to get blown into young Jack? That would explain all the flashes of memory our Losties seem to be having in this new timeline. P.S.: Are Jack and David the new Michael and WAAAAALT? [Totally Lost/EW]

• With course correction in mind, this writer suspects that as the two timelines converge, characters will start dropping like flies. Those who are lucky enough to survive, however, will experience some sort of memory download and suddenly know everything. [Magic Lamp]

• These writers argue that maybe we didn't see what we thought we saw in the mirrors (namely, the church where Sawyer's parents' funeral was and the temple where Sun and Jin got married). We've seen a number of churches — did we actually see the monastery where Desmond met Penny? Also, they think Claire's been alone on the island way longer than three years. What year is it anyway? [WP]

• Commenter trex points out that, if Jacob's been watching our Losties their whole lives, the Kwon on the list of candidates must be Jin, as Sun would be listed under her maiden name.

• JREESE3 wonders if we've met David's piano teacher before. Could it be Daniel Faraday? He did play the same song in last season's "The Variable."

• Graw reminds us that in sideways world, the island is under water, a bigger metaphor for the fact that our characters' lives seem to be better off in their non-island life. This commenter is betting that our winning candidate (Jack?) will ultimately have to decide between protecting the island in the current timeline or living happy-go-lucky lives in the sideways one.

• Rep_Party_Girl spent some time on Lostpedia and noted that there's another name not crossed out: No. 60, Kysea. Could this be Ilana?

• Finally, pennywise has some advice for Jin: "Here's a tip from George Bluth: Never promise crazy a baby." She also thinks Wallace could just be a knitting claymation dog.

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Number 2 said:
Thinking back on things ive come to think that Hurley cannot see dead people, he only sees Jacob. This accounts for the difference in how Miles and Hurley see the dead. Every vision of Hurleys weve seen has had a "ghost" advise him on how to get back to the island.

Is there anything im missing about this?

Some of them were saying he needed to get back to the island but some of them didn't do anything (He only played chess with Eko). I don't think the show subscribes to ghosts per se although I can't quite explain Miles yet.

I would normally think that he is able to pull residual memories but that is counter to what he was able to do in his flashback in the boys room where he finds the money.

I think Hurley is a little crazy. Jacob takes advantage of that. He flat out tells Hurley in this episode that he is gullible and will do things just by being told to.

The guy that he was imagining in one episode (Dave?) was a figment of his imagination and I think his brain does that in order for him to cope with reality.
 
Archaix said:
I didn't think so, it was just that a lot of your answers seemed awfully certain to the point where I had to ask.

Understandable. I'm certain in my answers because I just have that much faith. I'm not one to believe that such an amazingly rich show will succumb to a bunch of pointless antics in the 11th hour. I just don't think they would do that. If someone wants to think that the X timeline is boring, that's cool. But it is, in no way pointless.
 
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