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[Curufinwe]

Link dead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yATh1D-3u8

Hm, works fine for me. Anyone else have trouble getting it to work?

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Fantastic episode! Minor quibble: That wasn't a stalemate between Linus and the principal, because all Ben would have had to say was, "No, you'll write a glowing recommendation letter, ALSO, or I send the emails to the school board." The blackmailer always has the upper hand.

He was threatening to screw up her life more than just a letter. He could write it then follow up a few months later with a bad report. He seems to have pull. Possibly person to person contacts.

From there Ben could say "I'll go pulbic then". But, then, Ben wouldn't get recommended and the principle would lose face at the college.

 

[Solo]

Jack saved him.
Jack is the new Locke. He's destined to be a great man.

Nevah'

 

[Veidt]

Nevah'

Damn. I absolutely loved Jack ever since the Lighthouse episode. heck, I love ever character that just wants to get answers. Jack has redeemed himself in my eyes. Jack is Boss, he's the green ranger now.

Spoiler

I want Locke back

 

[flyover]

There has to be a reason for the sideways flashes. I hoping the storytelling there isn't all for naught.

Part of me thinks the writers should have explained the X timeline from the get-go -- or at least from early on -- to give us more incentive to be invested in it.

I'm okay with the X storylines -- this week's was particularly good -- but I'm a little reserved, because I don't really know who these people are. To be fully invested, I want to know if the Jack I'm watching is the Jack who was shaped by the five-plus seasons of experiences I've seen, a Jack who never went to the island at all, or (somehow) some mix of both.

I've never cared about the show offering answers for their own sake. The writers can tell me (or not tell me) whatever they want about four-toed statues or underwater power lines, and I'll lap it up. But knowing why I should care about these people in their side-flashes would free the show to be the character drama it purports to be -- and is, at its best.

Because of this, the flashes from this season may wind up being more rewarding when watched a second time, after it's all finished and I know who these characters actually are.

 

[Chipopo]

Solo - you know that if that exact same scene had played out with Locke instead of Jack you'd have creamed your jeans.

and I can't believe that Last Supper picture is actually a huge spoiler. I guess we know which direction next weeks episode will go now :-/

 

[Javaman]

Why couldn't Michael kill himself? Did Jacob find him and touch him, too? Wasn't the Christian Shepard that kept appearing to Michael essentially the smoke monster at that point?

...seems like smokey can grant these powers, too, I guess?

I guess Locke really couldn't have killed himself off island. It took Ben to do it. O

 

[Solo]

Solo - you know that if that exact same scene had played out with Locke instead of Jack you'd have creamed your jeans.

When its a BOSS instead of a BUSBOY, one has reason to cream!

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Solo - you know that if that exact same scene had played out with Locke instead of Jack you'd have creamed your jeans.

and I can't believe that Last Supper picture is actually a huge spoiler. I guess we know which direction next weeks episode will go now :-/

i doubt it's a spoiler

 

[Veidt]

Just a coincidence....



LOST

 

[Chipopo]

we'll see. I still think its suspicious that the second picture is the one that has the two groups facing each other. Also Miles and Claire can sit wherever they want because they're both just going to be killed off before the major confrontation anyway, lolz.

 

[NimbusD]

And that Ben took a swim in the magic pool as a small child.

Speaking of which. It now seems that the pool, and Jacob's actual touch have two different effects. Are we sure that Ben wasn't just touched by Jacob as a kid (lol)?

i doubt it's a spoiler

Even before the season started, I always thought they did multiple versions of that because of the multiple realities, but now that I'm looking at it I don't really see the significance unless its hidden under layers of mystery as per usual.

 

[Veidt]

I have no idea what they're going to do next episode. But it looks like all personal matters have been resolved. Shit's going to go down from here on.

 

[Chipopo]

I have no idea what they're going to do next episode. But it looks like all personal matters have been resolved. Shit's going to go down from here on.

> Claire's BABAY.
> Jin and Sun

 

[JGS]

Good point! I had completely forgot there was already a character that couldn't kill himself. Though this is leading to a large amount of Lost mysteries being answered with "Jacob did it" but that's alright.

I have always been of the opinion that there are at least 3 entities involved with the island with the 3rd one being unknown or the island itself. However, the "Jacob did it" theory tells me that it may just all be Jacob & Smokie.

Also, I no longer think Smokie & Jacob are equals or like brothers. I think the relationship is more akin to God & Satan where one was created by the other, one is superior, & both try to influence others. I'm not getting religious and welcome other comparisons, I just think they aren't balanced rivals. However, the taking sides is largely showing how faithful people truly are even when things don't go the way they want.

I think Smokie was tricked like all the others and perhaps was used by Jacob as the island's security system, just like he used Richard as a helper to the others & Dogan as a temple guardian. Considering how unhappy Richard was, it could stand to reason that Smokie was used for a different purpose but was just as unhappy in that role.

Dang it, I said a while back I was done with theorizing. I can't help myself.

 

[Veidt]

> Claire's BABAY.
> Jin and Sun

OT but...
I love your avatar.
<3
And tag..so appropriate.

 

[JGS]

He was threatening to screw up her life more than just a letter. He could write it then follow up a few months later with a bad report. He seems to have pull. Possibly person to person contacts.

From there Ben could say "I'll go pulbic then". But, then, Ben wouldn't get recommended and the principle would lose face at the college.

Agreed.

It also was to show that Ben was not even going to come close to messing up Alex's life like he had on the island. He probably didn't even delve into other options since all he cared about in the end was starting the history club back up when he could have gotten much more except the principle job.

He was no longer a risk taker with other peoples lives.

 

[Chipopo]

OT but...
I love your avatar.
<3

Thanks!

And tag

 

[Yaweee]

Mo Ryan's best article in a while:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune...10/03/lost-dr-linus-michael-emerson.html#more

In the Sideways timeline, Ben matters to people -- he matters to Roger, he matters to Alex, he has a good (if blowhard-ish) friend in Arzt, he is clearly the kind of teacher that bright, ambitious students respond to and though he hasn't reached his full potential, neither is he the "loser" he thinks he may be. Still -- he's Ben. He wants more. He knows he could be a good principal and once he gets the goods on the current principal, he goes in for the kill.

But he doesn't go through with his plan because he didn't want power for its own sake, as tempting as it was. He wanted power for the right reasons -- to help people. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and he wasn't about to take power the wrong way in order to do the "right" things.

The heartbreaking thing to think about is, on the island, did Ben ever really want power for its own sake? Or was that the only way he thought he could be part of any community -- by making them deal with him? Did he merely use his illusory conduit to Jacob and all his other manipulations just so he could be part of something? Did he give up everything for the island because he was afraid of not being important to anyone?

In both timelines, the reject, Ben, had the chance to go in for the kill. In both timelines, versions of Locke/Smockey encouraged him to take what should be his. But he didn't do it. Does that mean Jacob was right about him -- that there was always a chance for Ben to redeem himself?

And that brings up the core battle between the Man in Black and Jacob -- the MIB thinks people can't change but Jacob holds out hope for them. Maybe despite the fact that Ben killed Jacob, Jacob's faith in Ben was actually rewarded in the end. Because we always have a choice, no matter what we've done in the past.

 

[Archaix]

Geronimo Jack's Beard featuring Michael Emmerson is up!


http://geronimojacksbeard.blogspot.com/

Sorry, I kind of feel obligated to let everybody know considering (A) last night's episode, and Michael Emmerson, are awesome and (B) I totally stole their logo for my avatar.

 

[Nameless]

So does Flocke give the Ajira's passangers a choice to join him(obviously they would all choose to leave the Island) or does he follow through with his plan to "take care" of them which he conveyed to Richard last season?

The writers aren't afraid to slaughter a group of redshirts, time might be ticking on the 316ers.

Still can't get over Widmore being on the island. He has to be on his own side or MIBs considering the Shadow of the Statue crew stood clearly opposed to Widmore's when as he was recruiting for the freigher. Could it be that MIB was lying to Ben, that Widmore is the person to which he promised the Island and getting Ben over to hydra, enabling Widmore to inact his revenge was also part of sone deal they made?

 

[big ander]

Mo Ryan's best article in a while:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune...10/03/lost-dr-linus-michael-emerson.html#more

Great article. It's been said a thousand times, but it's so funny comparing s2 Ben to Ben now. Such an awesome character.

 

[gdt]

Oh, totally forgot about the 316'ers!

I guess we'll be seeing them soon.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Another great episode. Man I love this season.

Edit: I still don't know what the point of these "flash-sideways" segments are, but they've done a great job of further developing some of the show's characters and the relationships between them.

 

[X26]

Despite what the apologists have been ranting about, to me this season has been pretty crappy so far, thankfully though this episode was actually really good

 

[gdt]

Despite what the apologists have been ranting about, to me this season has been pretty crappy so far, thankfully though this episode was actually really good

:lol

So, we like it and we're apologists?

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Despite what the apologists have been ranting about, to me this season has been pretty crappy so far, thankfully though this episode was actually really good

for a phrase so overused on gaf, you don't know how to use it

 

[Nameless]

:lol

So, we like it and we're apologists?

I'm sorry gdt.

 

[Freyjadour]

Despite what the apologists have been ranting about, to me this season has been pretty crappy so far, thankfully though this episode was actually really good

You must have not liked the vast majority of LOST.

 

[meppi]

Absolutely loved this episode.

So glad Ben got to redeem himself in this way.
Up till now I didn't have a very good feeling about this season. Can't put my finger on it though. Enjoyed most of the episodes and was only disappointed by two, but I've learned from the past seasons that such episodes end up meaning something in the end even though it might not be clear at first.

When Jack, Hurley and Richard met up with the others at the beach I finally felt that everything was going to work out in the end and be all right, no matter what the outcome might bring.
Perhaps that doesn't make much sense to other people.

 

[Solo]

I'm sorry gdt.

I wish you had believed in me

- ApologoSolo

 

[DMczaf]

I haven't felt this pumped after a Lost episode in a while. I was with Ben in every scene. Goddam I love the actor and character.

Just give him the Emmy now.

 

[water_wendi]

That crossed my mind until Jacob said "I'm sure he'll find another way" after Hurley reminded him of the fact that his mirror was shattered.

Maybe the name Wallace was a red herring but obviously Jacob saying that someone was coming to the Island was not.

I know you guys are still trying to process things but pay attention: CHARLES WIDMORE...IS BACK ON THE FUCKING ISLAND. say that aloud 5 times and get back to me. Shit got real last week... this week, GAF, I don't even have a name for it. Charles Widmore is back on the fucking island..

Maybe its Widmore?

 

[Barkley's Justice]

I've noticed that there's an awful lot of gaffers who hate women with curves.
Always imagine them to be 17 year olds or something.

Ilanna is a perfectly proportioned woman. PER-FECT-LY

i mean, look at dude's avatar:

that about sums up homie's taste in women imo

 

[Veidt]

Richard has Jacobs blood running through him. Hence he can't age.

I'm calling it now.

i mean, look at dude's avatar:

that about sums up homie's taste in women imo

:lol

 

[Catalix]

Goddam, this episode delivered so hard! So much humor, subtlety, and mythological nuggets.

I think the storytelling relationship between the two timelines has really found it's groove this season. It's been handled with varying degrees of success thus far, getting better as it goes, but it was executed perfectly here.

I'm fully in love with the flash-sideway's method of examining these familiar characters. I'm appreciating the value that this storytelling technique is bringing to the table. I don't even need to know the literal connection between the 2 realities right now. It just works.

Ben, Richard, Miles, Alex(yikes!), mother fuckin' Widmore... on Island! They all rocked.

Ilana gets special recognition from me. Unlike a lot of other people, I've actually been liking that character for a while. But I felt she really came into her own this episode. As far as her hotness, my "affection" grew by the minute while watching this episode. I'm down for whatever she's got going on.

and Jackface "Man of Faith" Shephard just might be the BOSS to surpass the big BOSS himself. That Black Rock dynamite scene took it to a whole new level. golfham.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

i mean, look at dude's avatar:

that about sums up homie's taste in women imo

she's hot

 

[Jeff-DSA]

I would love to see Desmond crawl out of the hatch after Widmore, but I'm guessing that Widmore is aligned with Smokey (he has reasons to be bitter toward Jacob/The Others) and that Faraday's mom will help Desmond get back to lead Ilana's "army" against Smokey's "army". Desmond will finally prove that he's the better man than Widmore when he's victorious.

 

[Mik2121]

A little detail.

If Richard has been on the island for way MANY years, like.. seriously, A LOT of years, how did he know what a cyborg was when he was called that?
I guess he read about it in some book or something...

 

[Catalix]

i mean, look at dude's avatar:

that about sums up homie's taste in women imo

Hey now...

she's hot, Ilana's hot, Hendricks is hot, Kiera Knitghtley's hot

sigh, you people are broken...

 

[Yaweee]

Oh, totally forgot about the 316'ers!

I guess we'll be seeing them soon.

Caesar is alive and well, living in a drained shark tank.

A little detail.

If Richard has been on the island for way MANY years, like.. seriously, A LOT of years, how did he know what a cyborg was when he was called that?
I guess he read about it in some book or something...

The dude ran a science camp for teenagers during the 60's/70's, a heyday of science fiction.

 

[Rekubot]

A little detail.

If Richard has been on the island for way MANY years, like.. seriously, A LOT of years, how did he know what a cyborg was when he was called that?
I guess he read about it in some book or something...

He went off the island in season 3. He's not stuck there.

 

[JDSN]

First episode of this season that I have fully enjoyed instead of just waiting for the predictable teaser ending, Emerson did a great work making the transition from manipulative dick to flawed but ultimately noble human being in a single scene without making it corny, unlike it happened with Sayid in the last ep (Smirk= Dark side confirmed Duh!)

 

[Mik2121]

He went off the island in season 3. He's not stuck there.

Wooops. True. Well, it was just some really small detail I just noticed while re-watching the episode.

 

[Catalix]

A little detail.

If Richard has been on the island for way MANY years, like.. seriously, A LOT of years, how did he know what a cyborg was when he was called that?
I guess he read about it in some book or something...

He's been off Island many times.

shucks

 

[Veidt]

Hey now...

she's hot, Ilana's hot, Hendricks is hot, Kiera Knitghtley's hot

sigh, you people are broken...

Which reminds me...how many people think this avatar of mine is Keira Knightely?
Because it's not.:lol

 

[yacobod]

Hey now...

she's hot, Ilana's hot, Hendricks is hot, Kiera Knitghtley's hot

sigh, you people are broken...

its GAF, much like lost, you have to pick a side

 

[JGS]

I would love to see Desmond crawl out of the hatch after Widmore, but I'm guessing that Widmore is aligned with Smokey (he has reasons to be bitter toward Jacob/The Others) and that Faraday's mom will help Desmond get back to lead Ilana's "army" against Smokey's "army". Desmond will finally prove that he's the better man than Widmore when he's victorious.

I think Desmond is clueless. I think he plays some kind of important conduit role but he does not understand it. I also think Widmore only knows as much as what Ben knew when he was the leader and may misunderstand Jacob's role.

They may come to understand it, but i don't think LOST is going to move from essentially a Jack vs. Locke storyline or at least involving heavily the original Losties.

I know there was no other place to put the sub coming in, but I would have loved the scene where Ben is looking rejected and alone amongst the reunion to be the last scene with LOST popping up.

 

[Catalix]

Which reminds me...how many people think this avatar of mine is Keira Knightely?
Because it's not.:lol

O_O

wut

 

[water_wendi]

I know there was no other place to put the sub coming in, but I would have loved the scene where Ben is looking rejected and alone amongst the reunion to be the last scene with LOST popping up.

i would have preferred just the beach scene with Ben looking rejected.. then we see him through periscope view.. end.