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LOST 06.07: "Dr. Linus" (108. Solo)

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I still don't think the bomb changes anything. The bomb always existed in the losties timeline; it's what causes Dharma to pour cement down the hatch and to start the 108 protocol. Jack is just reinforcing the existence of his life as he knows it, not resetting it. Jacob is the cause of all the little (and not so little) changes in the losties (as we know them) lives. The sideways world is the natural one, where Jacob never interfered; 815 didn't crash; Jack never took the bomb to the incident site; Radzinski drills; electromagnetic energy sinks the island.
 
oatmeal said:
Oh yah?

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InaudibleWhispa said:
I still don't think the bomb changes anything. The bomb always existed in the losties timeline; it's what causes Dharma to pour cement down the hatch and to start the 108 protocol. Jack is just reinforcing the existence of his life as he knows it, not resetting it. Jacob is the cause of all the little (and not so little) changes in the losties (as we know them) lives. The sideways world is the natural one, where Jacob never interfered; 815 didn't crash; Jack never took the bomb to the incident site; Radzinski drills; electromagnetic energy sinks the island.
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Definitely seeing it that way. The bomb wasn't a factor in the X timeline.

Radzinsky always drills into the electromagnetic pocket, but the bomb isn't there to put a "band-aid" on the whole disaster.
 
Wow, completely blown by this episode.
Just WOW. Incredible.
The shocker twist was so motherfucking epic.. thats some season finale shit right there!


Was I the only one really hoping that Ben fucked over Alex in the X timeline. Ben is beyond redeeming. [no matter how much I love him] That would have just been too perfect, IMO.
 
Jtwo said:
Wow, completely blown by this episode.
Just WOW. Incredible.
The shocker twist was so motherfucking epic.. thats some season finale shit right there!
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If you're referring to the Widmore thing, then hell yeah that reminded me of a season finale, namely how they actually ended season 2. Funny enough, the season 2 finale was originally supposed to end with Widmore's people finding the location of the island, not Penny's people :lol
 
just saw Cindy in a Bounty commercial taking care of some kids that weren't hers.

X timeline is seeping into our commercial reality!!!!
 
AHHHHGHGHGH!!!! It was just so perfect!
The handheld shot right before it cuts to periscope perspective.

Jesus Christ! SOOOOOOOO good. I'm still on a high from it, and I finished it like an hour ago!!!!!
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
just saw Cindy in a Bounty commercial taking care of some kids that weren't hers.

X timeline is seeping into our commercial reality!!!!
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All we're missing is the resurrection of THE BOSS and we'll be into a full scale BALLERS CONVENTION on the island, with former leaders Jacob ('s ghost), Widmore, and Ben all on the island at the same time. GODDAMN.
 
I can't be the only one who will be a little bit DISAPPOINTED if the show answers all of our questions, can I? I want this show to go in weird and unlikely directions in the finale, not just mop up what's come before (hello MGS4).

If the ending isn't a colossal WTF moment I'll be crushed. We're talking Locke and Ben chasing each other around to All You Need Is Love WTF.
 
Was I the only one really hoping that Ben fucked over Alex in the X timeline. Ben is beyond redeeming. [no matter how much I love him] That would have just been too perfect, IMO.
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The parallel's scene in the woods is better combination - it's also on par with Richard's part this episode.

This show is amazing, and shaping up to be just as great as last season. The darker angle is welcome and excellent.

Edit: I hope that a great deal of them die, and give it a tragic, complex note. Like the talk of progress and arcs of myths, etc. Kind of like The Sandman?
 
Hate to piss on the circle jerk going in this thread, but I gotta say I'm liking the season less and less with each episode. Totally don't care for the X timeline, it all seems inconsequential to me so I don't care what happens in it. Island happenings still interesting though, but that's like watching half an episode each time for me.

And it's confirmed, I can't not tear up to “There's No Place Like Home”. Perhaps my favorite theme on the show.
 
Naked Snake said:
Hate to piss on the circle jerk going in this thread, but I gotta say I'm liking the season less and less with each episode. Totally don't care for the X timeline, it all seems inconsequential to me so I don't care what happens in it. Island happenings still interesting though, but that's like watching half an episode each time for me.

And it's confirmed, I can't not tear up to “There's No Place Like Home”. Perhaps my favorite theme on the show.
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Don't worry, this wasn't my favorite episode, either.
 
Mifune said:
I can't be the only one who will be a little bit DISAPPOINTED if the show answers all of our questions, can I?
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You aren't. ALL I want explained are Jacob/MIB/Island, which they will do. Thats it. I hope the rest remains shrouded in mystery for the most part.
 
Naked Snake said:
Hate to piss on the circle jerk going in this thread, but I gotta say I'm liking the season less and less with each episode. Totally don't care for the X timeline, it all seems inconsequential to me so I don't care what happens in it.
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well at least im not crazy.

if the show gives me a reason to care about the alt timelines and makes me rethink the way i view them cool but at this point I need something more. :(
 
Fantastic episode. I really feel that old school LOSTage creeping in.

And Miles is now, officially, the greatest character in LOST history.

Talk about vindication, baby!!
 
I'm loving how the main party of characters incorporates at least one person from each season.

S1: Jack, Hurley, Sun
S2: Ben
S3: Richard
S4: Miles, Frank
S5: Ilana

As for Widmore, I don't think he's on Smokey's side yet, but he may take the offer that Ben refused, to once again become the leader if he helps Smokey leave.

EDIT: Damn, there's just so many meaningful and humorous references to previous seasons. I can't decide which is funnier: Jack finding the inhaler they tortured Sawyer over, or Miles digging up Nicki and Paulo's diamonds so that he has no reason to take Ben's bribe.
 
I'm pretty down on the stories being told in the X timeline, with the exception of the ones in The Substitute and Dr. Linus. But maybe those just have exceptional actors to fall back on.
 
Mifune said:
I can't be the only one who will be a little bit DISAPPOINTED if the show answers all of our questions, can I? I want this show to go in weird and unlikely directions in the finale, not just mop up what's come before (hello MGS4).

If the ending isn't a colossal WTF moment I'll be crushed. We're talking Locke and Ben chasing each other around to All You Need Is Love WTF.
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Totally. Lost has gone against convention for several years now. I don't want them to stray towards the ordinary right when it matters most.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Fantastic episode. I really feel that old school LOSTage creeping in.

And Miles is now, officially, the greatest character in LOST history.

Talk about vindication, baby!!
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this episode definitely increased my like in him.

before it was "i expect him to die any episode now. oh well."
 
Naked Snake said:
Hate to piss on the circle jerk going in this thread, but I gotta say I'm liking the season less and less with each episode. Totally don't care for the X timeline, it all seems inconsequential to me so I don't care what happens in it. Island happenings still interesting though, but that's like watching half an episode each time for me.

And it's confirmed, I can't not tear up to “There's No Place Like Home”. Perhaps my favorite theme on the show.
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I just enjoy the X universe stuff as a simple "what if?" side narrative. I'm not expecting crazy amounts of shit to go down. I guess it doesn't bother me, because I've always really liked all the Losties and it's cool to see them living normal lives and seeing how their lives would have played out had they landed in LA.

I am far more interested in island events, but I still dig the X universe for what it is.
 
This was the best episode this season, beating LA X and Lighthouse... hell so far the only lame episode was Kate's (as usual).
Ben is fucking awesome... at first he was a deceiving, filthy liar, but in the end he's nothing more than a victim, albeit one that actually strikes back. I really like how he didn't act like a peon this time, and did the opposite of what smokey wanted.


Also, rember that scene when Sayid shot kid Ben and everyone was cheering for Sayid ?! Now look who the real bad guy is! :lol
 
Thermite said:
I am far more interested in island events, but I still dig the X universe for what it is.
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so weird, as i'm like the complete opposite. the x timeline just blows my mind week-to-week. i'm obsessed with analyzing every aspect of what's happening trying to figure out how it's related to the island timeline. they've hooked me so hard with that shit.

the island "mysteries" are obvious; the mysteries of the x timeline are hidden in everyday things happening to people we kinda-sorta know. it's a much more interesting puzzle to me at this point.
 
Rather enthralled by both, but a clue as to what's really going on in the X timeline would greatly help me towards investing equally into it. right now, the stories are very standalone. It's audacious as is to stay ballsy and barely hand out any clue to what is going on, but one more lazy Kate-like sideways flash and it could wash the goodwill away in a sec.
 
i think there are plenty of clues in what the characters do and the things they choose. it's just that those clues are very open to interpretation right now.
 
beelzebozo said:
so weird, as i'm like the complete opposite. the x timeline just blows my mind week-to-week. i'm obsessed with analyzing every aspect of what's happening trying to figure out how it's related to the island timeline. they've hooked me so hard with that shit.

the island "mysteries" are obvious; the mysteries of the x timeline are hidden in everyday things happening to people we kinda-sorta know. it's a much more interesting puzzle to me at this point.
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That's fair. I do enjoy the X universe events, don't get me wrong, I'm just in love with the island and all its mythology. I like seeing who exactly is going to be on who's side, everything MIB related, how certain people are going to react to Locke walking around (namely Jack in particular - cannot wait for that encounter), and just general happenings. Now that Widmore is coming, it just continues to get more and more enticing to me as a story.
 
beelzebozo said:
i think there are plenty of clues in what the characters do and the things they choose. it's just that those clues are very open to interpretation right now.
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I have no doubt things will be solid gold upon rewatch, but it's crazy how little they give away upon first viewing. I do love the "What if?" questions and the fate vs. free will decisions being made comparitively, but the fact we're heading into halfway through the season and the reason for it's existence is a total mystery is strikingly ballsy IMO.
 
While I too am (mostly) greatly enjoying the X timeline, it is getting to the point where we need something.

Just let us put the tip in.
 
I don't think that we're going to get much more about the flashsideways apart from continued hints and coincidences until the finale. Maybe the [centric character spoiler]
Desmond
episode will shed more light.
 
The fuck? How did Ben become a teacher? The fuck why is he hating on the principle getting some ass on the side? Who is that one bitch trying to kill ben for killing jacob? The fuck is going on.
 
InaudibleWhispa said:
I don't think that we're going to get much more about the flashsideways apart from continued hints and coincidences until the finale. Maybe the [centric character spoiler]
Desmond
episode will shed more light.
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Atleast we're
two weeks away from getting a break from it.
Everybody can shut the hell up and get their dicks blown clean the fuck off then.:lol
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
For me that was Sayid running into Jin. It's on now.
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True. Thats another block in an X narrative (instead of standalone character pieces). Another is the pending Jack/Claire meetup.
 
I'd be satisfied if the X timeline merely signals the final judgement of each character. It's a really neat way of sending these characters off. Anything on top of that is just bonus.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Fantastic episode. I really feel that old school LOSTage creeping in.

And Miles is now, officially, the greatest character in LOST history.

Talk about vindication, baby!!
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Yeah he is pretty funny
"What, so your gonna write me a cheque on this banna leaf?"
 
i feel like there is a parallel between dogen's choice in the island timeline and a potential choice made by ben which manifests itself in the x timeline.
 
i wish the last two seasons of X-FILES were 1/100 as interesting as this last season of LOST is proving to be. to have the nuts to try something like the x timeline is just creatively very awesome and ballsy.
 
beelzebozo said:
i wish the last two seasons of X-FILES were 1/100 as interesting as this last season of LOST is proving to be. to have the nuts to try something like the x timeline is just creatively very awesome and ballsy.
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Yep.

No laurels to rest on around here.
 
I didn't really see this mentioned in the thread, but I like how X Locke convinces X Ben that he should become principal. It is so eerily similar to how Smokey Locke is convincing people to join his cause. It reminds me of how he treated Ben at the end of season 4 in order to convince him to kill Jacob.

"Just sounds like you care about this place. And if the man in charges doesn't then, maybe it is time for a change."
 
bastionwords said:
I didn't really see this mentioned in the thread, but I like how X Locke convinces X Ben that he should become principal. It is so eerily similar to how Smokey Locke is convincing people to join his cause. It reminds me of how he treated Ben at the end of season 4 in order to convince him to kill Jacob.

"Just sounds like you care about this place. And if the man in charges doesn't then, maybe it is time for a change."
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if we hadn't already had a locke episode in the x timeline, i would jump headfirst into the theory that flocke is off the island, propelling ben toward circumstances to make him betray alex again.
 
Yaweee said:
The "Big" mysteries that need at least some more explanation:

Jacob/Smokey/Island --- all three are part of the same picture, and explaining any one directly explains the other two indirectly. We've learned a crapload over the last 9 episodes, imo, but there's obviously the need for more, and more is obviously going to come.

Walt --- even with what we've learned over the last few weeks, we can assume that he was a candidate, and "special" in the same way that Hurley or Miles seem to be. However, there needs to be more direct reference as to why any of the three can do what they do. Personally, I extend the game analogy and think of them as Bishops, Rooks, Knights, and the like. Just playing pieces that can do more than pawns. Still feels kind of arbitrary and imba, though.

Aaron --- This still makes no sense.

Why the pregnancy problem is a recent development --- Ethan was born just fine.

I've given up on the Cabin and Ash making sense at this point.

Most of the crap on Dark UFO's "MAJOR" list is either redundant with other questions on the list, a minor question, a minor detail that will be explained away by answering one of the genuinely major questions, already answered, or literally makes no sense with what we've seen on the show so far.

So many major questions have been answered over the years. I'd like to do a detailed list of when a question is legitimately raised, and how soon after it was answered. Why it crashed, why they survived, are they alone on the island, who are the others, why are there polar bears, why haven't they been rescued, who are the DI, why did they abduct Claire, why did they take Alex, etc., the questions from the first two seasons excluding the ones I mentioned above, have almost all been answered pretty well.




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I don't understand. What exactly is there to explain about Aaron?
 
bggrthnjsus said:
well for one, why the psychic told claire that no one else should raise him
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Dude was a fraud, that was revealed in one of Mr. Eko's episodes. There's nothing left to explain on that front.
 
beelzebozo said:
if we hadn't already had a locke episode in the x timeline, i would jump headfirst into the theory that flocke is off the island, propelling ben toward circumstances to make him betray alex again.
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Oh, I wasn't trying to imply this. It is just weird that O'Quinn played it as such. It is like the extension of MIB as Boss Locke is really just Locke's actual confidence. That the X timeline is Locke's life if he was able to find the confidence he so badly searched for in the series. Maybe, this is just how O'Quinn said he plays the part, but it was awesome.
 
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