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[Jak140]

Uh, they probably just pulled the 100 day thing out of their ass. It's the radiation, then the island's healing properties kill the radiated fetus.

What in the world could make someone hate Illana :lol I mean, aside from the fact that she cock-teased Darth Sayid.

But it kills the mom, which makes even less sense. And yeah it's obvious they pulled the 100 days thing and it only affecting women who conceived and didn't leave the island by then out of their ass to specifically affect Sun. Which is what makes it so annoying that they have no intention of explaining it because that just confirms that it was some bullshit they made up without any concern for how nonsensical it was and they were hoping we'd forget it before they would have to explain it.

 

[Staccat0]

I think the "incident" caused the pregnancy thing.
I don't think the incident was EXACTLY the bomb though.
We never got to see the aftermath.
We know it didn't go boom, because they finished the hatch and Daniel basicaly said it wouldn't.

I expect it will be in an episode before the end (the aftermath of the bomb). Either delivered through monologue or in some other way
That should give us some clues

 

[Mindlog]

I'm fine with fantasy elements in a story, but a world has to have it's own internal logic...

I'm in complete agreement with you.

Anybody here have any opinions about the onion review?

Clearly the man is a fool. A complete Lost hater.

And why couldn’t Ben just say, “No, I’ve got all the cards here so you’ll write that letter too?” I have no idea. I’m not usually a nitpicker when it comes to Lost’s convenient-but-not-too-sensible plot twists, but this one was a bit too dumb even for me. I understand that the show was trying to create an opportunity for Ben to rewrite history and save Alex, but surely there was a way to do that without everything being so binary. This or that. In or out.

:lol

His comment about Ilana's final scene was great. It's going to be a shame if we don't learn more about her. Actually I'd like to know a lot more about Richard/Ilana/Jacob.

 

[Staccat0]

Clearly the man is a fool. A complete Lost hater.



:lol

His comment about Ilana's final scene was great. It's going to be a shame if we don't learn more about her. Actually I'd like to know a lot more about Richard/Ilana/Jacob.

:lol
I know right?
The stuff about Ilana I didn't even notice/see though. good spot for such a hater

All of this leads to an alternately poignant and tense final minutes, as Jack and Hurley reunite with Sun at the beach—a familiar scene, but one that Lost always does well—and we see a submarine approaching ferrying Charles Widmore. But during all that, my favorite part were the few shots of Ilana, cradling the sack full of the ashes of “the closest thing I’ve ever had to a father,” and weeping. Ilana has been trying to do the job that Jacob asked her to do, protecting the Candidates, but when it comes to deciding if someone like Ben Linus lives or dies, it’s clear that she had “a choice” all of her own. And as she sat by herself, crying, unsure whether she’d done the right thing, I typed in another note: “That’s the Lost I love.”

Good stuff.

I also didn't notice the irony of

Arzt: “You know what gets out formaldehyde? Nothing.”

and this blew my mind too

Another fun Hurley fact: at the end of the episode, Hurley returns to the beach for the first time since the Season Four opener.

Full article for the curious
http://www.avclub.com/articles/dr-linus,39051/
(he mentions the preview stuff briefyl (just who is in it) and talks about some off show comments the writers make in one section (with a fair warning)

 

[Nameless]

So how did Widmore find the Island? I think after Locke turned the FDW and was taken to the infirmary in Iraq, Widmore had a tracker planted on him once he brought a doctor in to patch the BOSS up "properly". "There's a war coming, and if you're not back on the Island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win" Under this theory it wouldn't have really mattered if Locke lived or died(unless you believe Widmore is in cahoots with MIB). Locke making it back to the Island was Widmore's ticket back as well, which explains why Widmore was a little too helpful towards Locke's cause.

Anyway, I honestly didn't expect Widmore to show up on the Island proper until the last third of the season, as late as the finale, if at all. It really has me excited about what they have in store for the end of the series if a twist of this magnitude is something they saw fit to give to this early.

 

[thekad]

But it kills the mom, which makes even less sense. And yeah it's obvious they pulled the 100 days thing and it only affecting women who conceived and didn't leave the island by then out of their ass to specifically affect Sun.

The island continues to fight/destroy the mother's womb - which can be assumed to be marred by radiation - even after its killed the baby, until she dies.

I don't know, it's seemed straightforward to me, but I might be missing something.

 

[Staccat0]

So how did Widmore find the Island? I think after Locke turned the FDW and was taken to the infirmary in Iraq, Widmore had a tracker planted on him once he brought a doctor in to patch the BOSS up "properly". "There's a war coming, and if you're not back on the Island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win" Under this theory it wouldn't have really mattered if Locke lived or died(unless you believe Widmore is in cahoots with MIB). Locke making it back to the Island was Widmore's ticket back as well, which explains why Widmore was a little too helpful towards Locke's cause.

Anyway, I honestly didn't expect Widmore to show up on the Island proper until the last third of the season, as late as the finale, if at all. It really has me excited about what they have in store for the end of the series if a twist of this magnitude is something they saw fit to give to this early.

hawkings

 

[Jak140]

The island continues to fight/destroy the mother's womb - which can be assumed to be marred by radiation - even after its killed the baby, until she dies.

I don't know, it's seemed straightforward to me, but I might be missing something.

The fact that the theoretical radiation doesn't effect anyone else? Like women who conceive off island or women who conceive on island but leave before the 100th day. And apparently everyone else on the island is impervious to this magical radiation. I really hope there is a better explanation.

 

[threenote]

So how did Widmore find the Island? I think after Locke turned the FDW and was taken to the infirmary in Iraq, Widmore had a tracker planted on him once he brought a doctor in to patch the BOSS up "properly". "There's a war coming, and if you're not back on the Island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win" Under this theory it wouldn't have really mattered if Locke lived or died(unless you believe Widmore is in cahoots with MIB). Locke making it back to the Island was Widmore's ticket back as well, which explains why Widmore was a little too helpful towards Locke's cause.

Anyway, I honestly didn't expect Widmore to show up on the Island proper until the last third of the season, as late as the finale, if at all. It really has me excited about what they have in store for the end of the series if a twist of this magnitude is something they saw fit to give to this early.

This is a VERY good theory, friend.

 

[oatmeal]

Regarding the pregnancy thing, Lindelof confirmed...like...yesterday that it wasn't going to be covered any more and that they're offered enough "empirical evidence" that we should be able to figure it out. Then he basically said that it was the bomb.

 

[masud]

I could totally watch a spin off about professor Linus, the evil genius high school history teacher with a heart of gold. Really.

 

[mello]

I could totally watch a spin off about professor Linus, the evil genius high school history teacher with a heart of gold. Really.

One of my favourite fictional characters of all time.

 

[Solo]

While I too am (mostly) greatly enjoying the X timeline, it is getting to the point where we need something.

Just let us put the tip in.

I honestly dont think they are going to tip their hand with respect to the X timeline until the end.

At least we have 2 HUGE mythology episodes coming this season which should quell everyones fears.

 

[Solo]

I didn't really see this mentioned in the thread, but I like how X Locke convinces X Ben that he should become principal.

I loved it because it was a complete role and tonal reversal of when Locke became the leader of the Others. Ben was jealous, malevolent, bitter, which Locke X was supportive and willing to follow. I get the sense that if not for the island and the craziness it brings out of everyone, that Locke, Jack and Ben could all be friends.

 

[Solo]

You know, if LOST had aired in the 90s there's about a 0% chance Jeff Goldblum wouldn't have been a cast member.

He would have been an awesome Faraday. MUCH better than Davies.

I think the whole controversy and debate with the answers in Lost comes down to how fans view the show: mostly fantasy, or mostly sci-fi?

Despite the hard sci-fi direction the show has taken, I still think its an adventure/fantasy series. I dont say that to let the show off the hook for internal logic, mind you, just that it means we dont need explicit explanations for everything. Symbolism and implication works just as well.

Been watching the first season again.

Kate says she's Canadian
Sawyer's con involves Toronto
Ethan is mentioned as being Canadian

Last week's episode had Sayid going to Toronto.

What's so special about Canada and Lost?

108. Solo

 

[MarkMclovin]

So when was Michael touched by Jacob?

 

[gdt]

So when was Michael touched by Jacob?

Dunno, we just assume he was.

Just like those names in the cave (which Michael was apart of IIRC).

 

[TheVampire]

So when was Michael touched by Jacob?

Most likely

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

So how did Widmore find the Island? I think after Locke turned the FDW and was taken to the infirmary in Iraq, Widmore had a tracker planted on him once he brought a doctor in to patch the BOSS up "properly". "There's a war coming, and if you're not back on the Island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win" Under this theory it wouldn't have really mattered if Locke lived or died(unless you believe Widmore is in cahoots with MIB). Locke making it back to the Island was Widmore's ticket back as well, which explains why Widmore was a little too helpful towards Locke's cause.

Anyway, I honestly didn't expect Widmore to show up on the Island proper until the last third of the season, as late as the finale, if at all. It really has me excited about what they have in store for the end of the series if a twist of this magnitude is something they saw fit to give to this early.

Last we saw of Widmore, she was with the woman who ran the "island finding" dharma station in LA, so I think it's safe to call it at that.


We really shoulda figured he'd be back because of that a long time ago.:lol

 

[hamchan]

Best episode of the season so far. How right is it that the best episode is a Ben episode and the second best is a Locke episode? Now we just need Desmond to come back to get the holy trinity of episodes this season.

 

[JGS]

The fact that the theoretical radiation doesn't effect anyone else? Like women who conceive off island or women who conceive on island but leave before the 100th day. And apparently everyone else on the island is impervious to this magical radiation. I really hope there is a better explanation.

I read the writer's quote and if it was between 77 and 04, then it could be the magnetic field surround the island. If something can affect the movement of time around the island, then perhaps it could affect the pregnancies as well. Also, there is the super sperm mystery considering Jin was unable to have kids off the island. This could be the magnetic field as well.

 

[yacobod]

i rewatched Dr. Linus last night, i think its easily the best of the season so far, Emerson returned in a big way after sitting on the sidelines for the first 5 or 6 episodes this season, i really like new Jack, the scene with Rich and him in the black rock was awesome, jack is the new man of faith confirmed x 100

really im pretty excited to see where this is all heading towards the finale, the possibilities seem pretty endless right now, as long as the series doesnt end up in a small diner, with onion rings, and fucking journey in the back ground w/a fade to black, im willing to go along with anything at this point as long as we have good character payoffs, i dont need all the mythology stuff answered up neatly

 

[bud]

So when was Michael touched by Jacob?

it happened at a very young age...

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

During pregnancy, the white blood cell count is slightly elevated—half of the fetus is Mom, half is Dad, the body sees unfamiliar DNA and raises its guard. "Normally, the mom’s immune system is kept in check, and that’s why the baby is accepted" says Dr. Michael Cackovic, an instructor in the department of Maternal-Fetal Medicine at Yale University.

In Lost it is stated that the mothers have a low white blood cell count and the immune system turns on the baby. Whenever anybody has a low white blood cell count they’re at risk for infection. So if a mother’s immunoresponse dropped quickly, she would become more susceptible to any kind of external invasion. And what can cause a reduced white blood cell count? You guessed it: electromagnetic radiation.

“Radiation kills any cells that are rapidly turning over, that are rapidly growing.,” Cackovic says. “So, yes, the low white blood cell count can definitely have to do with the island’s electromagnetic radiation.” And it’s logical to say that it can also be why Rose’s cancer went into remission.

-- Popular Mechanics

I am perfectly happy with that explanation. The radiation from the incident lowers the white blood count, compromising the immune system forcing the body the fight off the foreign tissue -- the baby -- and leaving the mother open to infection. With the radiation killing any rapidly growing cells, it essentially acts like chemotherapy too.

 

[fireside]

it happened at a very young age...

Now we know why Michael was willing to kill to get Walt back

 

[JGS]

During pregnancy, the white blood cell count is slightly elevated—half of the fetus is Mom, half is Dad, the body sees unfamiliar DNA and raises its guard. "Normally, the mom’s immune system is kept in check, and that’s why the baby is accepted" says Dr. Michael Cackovic, an instructor in the department of Maternal-Fetal Medicine at Yale University.

In Lost it is stated that the mothers have a low white blood cell count and the immune system turns on the baby. Whenever anybody has a low white blood cell count they’re at risk for infection. So if a mother’s immunoresponse dropped quickly, she would become more susceptible to any kind of external invasion. And what can cause a reduced white blood cell count? You guessed it: electromagnetic radiation.

“Radiation kills any cells that are rapidly turning over, that are rapidly growing.,” Cackovic says. “So, yes, the low white blood cell count can definitely have to do with the island’s electromagnetic radiation.” And it’s logical to say that it can also be why Rose’s cancer went into remission.

-- Popular Mechanics

I am perfectly happy with that explanation. The radiation from the incident lowers the white blood count, compromising the immune system forcing the body the fight off the foreign tissue -- the baby -- and leaving the mother open to infection. With the radiation killing any rapidly growing cells, it essentially acts like chemotherapy too.

But it doesn't affect the males at all (In fact, it helps them to procreate) and would the blood cell count be so low as to kill both the infant and the mother 100% of the time?

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

i rewatched Dr. Linus last night, i think its easily the best of the season so far, Emerson returned in a big way after sitting on the sidelines for the first 5 or 6 episodes this season, i really like new Jack, the scene with Rich and him in the black rock was awesome, jack is the new man of faith confirmed x 100

really im pretty excited to see where this is all heading towards the finale, the possibilities seem pretty endless right now, as long as the series doesnt end up in a small diner, with onion rings, and fucking journey in the back ground w/a fade to black, im willing to go along with anything at this point as long as we have good character payoffs, i dont need all the mythology stuff answered up neatly

You're really going to boost Lost and take a jab at Sopranos writing in the course of the same post. Wow.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

But it doesn't affect the males at all (In fact, it helps them to procreate) and would the blood cell count be so low as to kill both the infant and the mother 100% of the time?

I don't have a clue how the radiation would effect the males. I don't think it's the low white blood count which kills the mothers specifically, it just massively compromises their immune system leaving them open to infection. A bit like AIDS; AIDS doesn't kill people, it weakens the immune system so that you can't fight off even the smallest infection.

 

[JGS]

I don't have a clue how the radiation would effect the males. I don't think it's the low white blood count which kills the mothers specifically, it just massively compromises their immune system leaving them open to infection. A bit like AIDS; AIDS doesn't kill people, it weakens the immune system so that you can't fight off even the smallest infection.

I like that they put a scientific spin on it, but it still requires some pseudo science. I would have been happier with Jacob did it. I look at all of the meddical mysteries as one mystery since they should have a similar source like:

Locke being able to walk
Rose's cancer being in remission
Jin able to get Sun pregnant
Wounds healing quickly
Claire & others able to give birth
Ben having a tumor on his spine

Let's not forget that some of the Others (At least Ethan) had above normal strength.

In fact the 3rd season and on played a big role in all of those medical mysteries, so it's not something that was introduced when they didn't have direction and then dismissed. Hopefully, after the finale they will provide some more answers since it's clear we're not going to get them during the series.

 

[Minamu]

Did anyone else feel like this was the season's low point? Compared to most of the previous episodes, barely anything really happened. A bit disappointing really.

 

[Solo]

Yeah......no. Best episode in like 3 seasons.

 

[gdt]

Did anyone else feel like this was the season's low point? Compared to most of the previous episodes, barely anything really happened. A bit disappointing really.

Are you from the X reality?

 

[JGS]

Did anyone else feel like this was the season's low point? Compared to most of the previous episodes, barely anything really happened. A bit disappointing really.

This is kind of like figuring out which PIXAR movie is worse. I've loved all of them this season (And a whole lot happened this episode so you must have been getting a sandwich:lol ). I honestly liked last week's and the previous week's episodes better.

I am in the minority, but I do not care for Ben in this state. He's pathetic. That parts OK since he was pretty pathetic last season too. However, he was still the manipulative, cunning, calculating, backstabbing Ben last season too. Now he's some kind of whiny, pitiful individual that you can't help but think is harmless. He's a fifth wheel and this episode was just making that official.

It seemed clear to me that this episode was closure on him although it will be interesting to see how he redeems himself in the eyes of everyone.

 

[Jet Grind Radio!]

I just remembered. In the first season, where Locke was eating that orange and Walt sees him, I remember thinking "that dude's gonna be evil." And here we are.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Did anyone else feel like this was the season's low point? Compared to most of the previous episodes, barely anything really happened. A bit disappointing really.

Yea man, nothing happened! I don't give a shit if Ben Linus had to face the consequences of his actions or if Richard wanted to kill himself because his life is now meaningless because his god is dead, These concepts are not interesting to me at all and not worth exploring.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

Yea man, nothing happened! I don't give a shit if Ben Linus had to face the consequences of his actions or if Richard wanted to kill himself because his life is now meaningless because his god is dead, These concepts are not interesting to me at all and not worth exploring.

Not to mention

 

[MarkMclovin]

I am perfectly happy with that explanation. The radiation from the incident lowers the white blood count, compromising the immune system forcing the body the fight off the foreign tissue -- the baby -- and leaving the mother open to infection. With the radiation killing any rapidly growing cells, it essentially acts like chemotherapy too.

I don't understand that people can be happy with theories like this and say that Lost is delivering on these mysteries.

You might as well just say 'it happens because it happens' and be done with it because we'll never find out. I'm sure the writers put this shit in there to create drama at the time, not thinking that fans are trying to put all these pieces of a puzzle together.

This is why some Lost fans are becoming frustrated with the series and it's direction.

 

[yacobod]

Did anyone else feel like this was the season's low point? Compared to most of the previous episodes, barely anything really happened. A bit disappointing really.

idk i think it was one of the best episodes since the constant

 

[JGS]

I don't understand that people can be happy with theories like this and say that Lost is delivering on these mysteries.

You might as well just say 'it happens because it happens' and be done with it because we'll never find out. I'm sure the writers put this shit in there to create drama at the time, not thinking that fans are trying to put all these pieces of a puzzle together.
This is why some Lost fans are becoming frustrated with the series and it's direction.

The writers are very aware of the mysteries.

I think they underestimated the number of episodes needed to explain everything. These are short seasons. I would have b]preferred they ignore the traditional season and kept it as 20+ episodes. Or start it earlier and allow a gap of a few weeks, but no reruns.

I expect a huge encyclopedia titled "Everything You Wanted to Know About LOST but We Didn't Have Time to Write"

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

I don't understand that people can be happy with theories like this and say that Lost is delivering on these mysteries.

You might as well just say 'it happens because it happens' and be done with it because we'll never find out. I'm sure the writers put this shit in there to create drama at the time, not thinking that fans are trying to put all these pieces of a puzzle together.

This is why some Lost fans are becoming frustrated with the series and it's direction.

There are quite a few mysteries where you have to put the pieces together yourself. The popular mechanics article I copied that from was written before they knew about jughead, so it makes even more sense now. This isn't the kind of show that is going to have an architect scene where the answers are put perfectly in front of you on a plate with a neat ribbon on top. Some of the answers will be answered directly through dialogue, sure, but some of them you'll have to use your brain. It isn't exactly a stretch to be honest. It was explained in season 3 why mothers and children were dying, it's not hard to assume the cause is the radiation from the bomb blast/electromagnetic energy especially when places like Popular Mechanics are saying that as a cause, it makes sense.

To say that they didn't think fans would put pieces together is just silly. In season 1 they introduce a polar bear, in season 3 we find bear cages with evidence that they were being trained, in season 4 we find a polar bear in the Tunisian desert and finally we find out that a very cold part of the island has a mechanism which transports the user into the tunisian desert. Yet still you here people say "They didn't properly explain the polar bear". Well, no, if you're expecting someone to just explain all of that and put the pieces together for you, you're watching the wrong show.

 

[Minamu]

:lol Don't get your panties in a bunch, geez. Sure, stuff happened, but I wasn't exactly on the edge of my seat, unable to wait for what to come next. Most of this season's shows have been that way. I just didn't get that this week at all.

 

[MarkMclovin]

1. In season 1 they introduce a polar bear.
2. in season 3 we find bear cages with evidence that they were being trained.
3. in season 4 we find a polar bear in the Tunisian desert
4. and finally we find out that a very cold part of the island has a mechanism which transports the user into the tunisian desert.

This is my point. From 1 mystery, we now have another 3. Another 3 which I'm sure span out further, hence more pieces need to be put together.

The thing is, Lost does a great job of planting some weird shit in front of you, in your face, but then does a poor job of of doing the same to explain that weird shit, several seasons down the line.

 

[Tim-E]

Am I the only person that doesn't give two shits if they talk about why people couldn't have children?

TEH ANSERZ

 

[TheGreatDave]

Am I the only person that doesn't give two shits if they talk about why people couldn't have children?

TEH ANSERZ

The reasons we've got are enough for me. It's a magic island. Shit happens. The Incident did something that caused people to not be able to have babies, I can dig it.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I just chalked it up to electromagnetism's healing powers (or whatever) ramping up the immune system when the baby gets closer to term. Electromagnetism was wildly released in 1977 (or whatever pseudo science you wanna throw into it) which was capped by jughead, but enough got out that it contaminated the island in some fashion. The same thing that healed John's legs kills baby because they see it as an infection of some sort. Simple as that IMO.

 

[JGS]

I just chalked it up to electromagnetism's healing powers (or whatever) ramping up the immune system when the baby gets closer to term. Electromagnetism was wildly released in 1977 (or whatever pseudo science you wanna throw into it) which was capped by jughead, but enough got out that it contaminated the island in some fashion. The same thing that healed John's legs kills baby because they see it as an infection of some sort. Simple as that IMO.

But again, it kills the mother too which means that the immune system gets so pumped it starts not trusting anything. Maybe they are killed by different means with the mother bleeding to death or something.

I would have been fine if the writers hadn't responsed that it was linked to the incident.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

This is my point. From 1 mystery, we now have another 3. Another 3 which I'm sure span out further, hence more pieces need to be put together.

But there is no mystery, they've gave you more than enough pieces to produce an answer. Dharma were training Polar Bears to turn the frozen donkey wheel so that a person isn't transported through time to Tunisia. That is pretty much a fact at this point; the Polar Bear Charlotte found in Tunisia had a Dharma collar on, and it lay in the same position the donkey wheel (a cold environment, hence Polar Bears) moved Ben and Locke to.

 

[Tim-E]

The reasons we've got are enough for me. It's a magic island. Shit happens. The Incident did something that caused people to not be able to have babies, I can dig it.

Exactly.

 

[gdt]

This is my point. From 1 mystery, we now have another 3. Another 3 which I'm sure span out further, hence more pieces need to be put together.

The thing is, Lost does a great job of planting some weird shit in front of you, in your face, but then does a poor job of of doing the same to explain that weird shit, several seasons down the line.

There's no mystery about the polar bears. They've been answered already.

I think the way they answered that in particular was brilliant. Little clues in each season that together form an answer.

 

[Yaweee]

As for the pregnancies, I'm just going under the assumption, "Jughead detonating damaged the island in some profound way." In our timeline, the only real problem is that it pumped immune systems into overdrive, but in X land it terminally fucked the island.

Claire is a bit of a weird case, because she was over eight months pregnant at the time and was kidnapped a few days into the stay and pumped full of medicine.