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[Turk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuOnqXdRoXU

LOST Untangled - What they Died For

 

[Archaix]

So, who else is thinking that Desmond is going to enter the cave of light and "turn the key", destroying the island much like he destroyed the hatch?

It's been said that the flashes aren't an epilogue. Though, it was also once said by the same people that there's nothing that can't be explained by hard science on Lost, and no ridiculous things like time travel.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I thought Darlton said that the flash sideways are not the aftermath of the regular timeline. That it is NOT an epilogue.

Also, from ABC.com:
Flash Sideways
A flash sideways is not a flashback, flash-forward or an alternate timeline. It posits what would have happened if Oceanic flight 815 didn't crash on the island but instead landed in Los Angeles.

Not a flash forward, meaning it is NOT after the series.

EDIT: Beaten by the above.

 

[Dead]

Btw, theory

Neither Jin nor Sun were Candidates

The Kwon candidate is Ji Yeon. That is why Jacob touched both of them. As the child is the union of them both.

 

[Panda Bear]

I agree the episode produciton looked really cheap, but I'm not here to argue Across the Sea again (I liked it).

We're here to celebrate What They Died For (which is a really weird sentence, if you stop to think of what it means).

Jack's going to be very sad when he realizes he's now living forever and Kate's gonna get mighty old and unattractive sitting on the beach with him in like 30 or so years. Jack the Highlander confirmed.

Ah, but you forget Jack can now make anyone he wants immortal as well. Plus if Kate was a candidate before she should already be immortal shouldn't she? I was always unsure of whether or not the candidates age.

 

[neoism]

Precisely. ATS might have been necessary, but it was so poorly executed. Its too bad to was so awful, too, because a run of The Last Recruit, The Candidate, a good Across The Sea, What They Died For, and the finale, would have finally be the run which would have surpassed the end of S3. As it panned out though, the final 5 eps of S3 now factually becomes the best run of LOST ever.

It was important but the most important stuff is better made so it doesn't matter.
I blame Bender for not directing and the women(mother) actress for being terrible..

 

[numble]

Smokey to Ben: Help me, and the island is yours when I leave.

15 minutes later.

Smokey to Ben: I'm going to destroy the island.

 

[Solo]

I cant wait to see what Jack X and Locke X each flash to on Sunday.

 

[bachikarn]

Widmore's whole goal was for the freighter people to take Ben Linus ALIVE.

But why? It was implied he wanted Ben gone so he could go back to ruling the Island. Logically, he should have just killed Ben unless something was stopping him, like "the rules."

 

[HowardRoark]

Btw, theory

Neither Jin nor Sun were Candidates

The Kwon candidate is Ji Yeon. That is why Jacob touched both of them. As the child is the union of them both.

Yeah, this was an old theory. But does it matter now? Candidates are done, Jack is the new Protector.

 

[Alucard]

Btw, theory

Neither Jin nor Sun were Candidates

The Kwon candidate is Ji Yeon. That is why Jacob touched both of them. As the child is the union of them both.

I think Jacob made it pretty clear that the candidates are pretty arbitrary overall.

"That was just chalk on a wall. The job is yours if you want it."

All that matters is that they're flawed and "alone" like him.

 

[Patryn]

I wonder what perks come with being the Protector of the Island.

I also wonder if he'll just..know shit.

I actually thought that Jack's facial expressions right after he drank the water was reflecting that he was suddenly getting an info dump in his head.

 

[Archaix]

It was important but the most important stuff is better made so it doesn't matter.
I blame Bender for not directing and the women(mother) actress for being terrible..

So many people hated her performance, I thought the only part lacking was her Latin at the start which was laughably bad. There were mountains of flaws in the execution of last week's episode, but her acting wasn't among the worst parts as far as I saw it.

 

[ZAK]

Jacob sounded different in this episode. Maybe I'm just seeing him differently.

Yeah, I don't know what to say.

Other than, fuck yo candidates. There's a position above the Protector, which only one man can fill. That position is the Desmond.

 

[neoism]

It's awesome how slower this thread is. Only the "terrible" episodes brings out everyone!:lol :lol

 

[infinityBCRT]

One week ago it was a total Gaf/Geek-meltdown across the internet over across the sea. One week later and Darlton are now Gods again :lol

 

[Arment]

Btw, theory

Neither Jin nor Sun were Candidates

The Kwon candidate is Ji Yeon. That is why Jacob touched both of them. As the child is the union of them both.

Why would he be making baby candidates? I think he knew how much time he had left. He would obviously know of the birth defects on the island.

 

[Solo]

Jacob sounded different in this episode. Maybe I'm just seeing him differently.

Sobriety does wonders.

EDIT: I thought you said Jack :lol

 

[Alucard]

Smokey to Ben: Help me, and the island is yours when I leave.

15 minutes later.

Smokey to Ben: I'm going to destroy the island.

Yeah, I noticed that too. :-\ Pretty inconsistent storytelling there, unless they follow up with Ben next week.

 

[Dead]

I actually thought that Jack's facial expressions right after he drank the water was reflecting that he was suddenly getting an info dump in his head.

Yeah, noticed that as well.

 

[OneEightZero]

These next five days are going to be painful to get through.

So happy for Jack. He has his purpose now. Shepard of the island. ^_^

 

[HowardRoark]

One week ago it was a total Gaf/Geek-meltdown across the internet over across the sea. One week later and Darlton are now Gods again :lol

Not really. Many people are pointing out how previous plotlines don't jive with what has been established this season. Gods wouldn't allow this to happen :lol

 

[infinityBCRT]

I actually thought that Jack's facial expressions right after he drank the water was reflecting that he was suddenly getting an info dump in his head.

It looked like Jack went from "man of faith" to "man of conviction"

 

[Nameless]

Smokey to Ben: Help me, and the island is yours when I leave.

15 minutes later.

Smokey to Ben: I'm going to destroy the island.

Desmond still being alive was the game changer

 

[John Harker]

Eh, that entire confrontation Ben had with Widmore seemed to imply it was more than just a "gentleman's agreement." Ben had no trouble killing all of Widmore's men. You could argue Ben didn't kill Widmore because he wanted to kill Penny to make Widmore suffer, but then Widmore should have just killed Ben.

Whatever they had planned for the rules changed into the rules between MIB and Jacob. It is as simple as that I think.

I think people are putting too much stock into these "rules".... choice is always involved, and last episode was a sign (to me at least) that there is not God's Hand involvedn in all this, so to speak. There is no binding force controlling anyone, and anyone is a variable. These rules are just as was said, gentlemen agreements... no one else thinks that maybe, Mother just lied? She hasn't been the most trustworthy person...

She kept MiB on the island for no special reason other than she just loved him and didn't want him to go. Jacob had to take the Guardian job cause Mother knew MiB would kill her out of revenge, and he was all that was left. Clearly Jacob was able to hurt MiB (Mother said he couldnt) when he jumped him as a child, and Mother watched and a) showed no surprise or be) even punished Jacob. Plus, ya know, Jacob killed his brother.

As far as Locke not being able to kill the candidates, looking for a loophole.. I don't know, not saying anything I'm thinking is definitive, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear anymore of "rules" and it was just what MiB said as a child to Jacob... one day you'll have your own game and can make the rules. And this is just that.

 

[Solo]

Yeah, I noticed that too. :-\ Pretty inconsistent storytelling there, unless they follow up with Ben next week.

Theres nothing inconsistent about it. MIB thinks Desmond is dead = willing to gve the island to Ben. MIB finds out Desmond is alive = decides to take out 2000 years of frustration on the island.

 

[neoism]

I agree the episode produciton looked really cheap, but I'm not here to argue Across the Sea again (I liked it).

We're here to celebrate What They Died For (which is a really weird sentence, if you stop to think of what it means).

Jack's going to be very sad when he realizes he's now living forever and Kate's gonna get mighty old and unattractive sitting on the beach with him in like 30 or so years. Jack the Highlander confirmed.

He better save all three of them or he's as bad as Jacob...... kicks can....

 

[Archaix]

Yeah, I noticed that too. :-\ Pretty inconsistent storytelling there, unless they follow up with Ben next week.

It wasn't inconsistent. Ben got promised the Island, then Smokey found out about Desmond, then Smokey said fuck Ben and his Island. Is Ben expected to stand up and say something? Either he's doing everything he can to keep himself alive or he's plotting against Smokey, and neither plan is helped by arguing.

 

[gdt]

One week ago it was a total Gaf/Geek-meltdown across the internet over across the sea. One week later and Darlton are now Gods again :lol

:lol

 

[Panda Bear]

One week ago it was a total Gaf/Geek-meltdown across the internet over across the sea. One week later and Darlton are now Gods again :lol

Yep! If you like an episode it means you think the writers are Gods guys! Plus if you don't like one episode of a show it means you're not allowed to like the next episode or smug trolls will post short smarmy comments about you and laugh. Get it together LOST-GAF!!!

 

[Nameless]

It's awesome how slower this thread is. Only the "terrible" episodes brings out everyone!:lol :lol

Some people still came out to bitch some more about ATS, though. :lol

 

[MightyHealthy]

Smokey to Ben: Help me, and the island is yours when I leave.

15 minutes later.

Smokey to Ben: I'm going to destroy the island.

:lol

 

[Spire]

Smokey to Ben: Help me, and the island is yours when I leave.

15 minutes later.

Smokey to Ben: I'm going to destroy the island.

2 seconds after the finale -

Smokey to Ben: Errr, uh, I mean, you can have it. Yeah. Forget what I just said.

 

[Arment]

Yeah, I noticed that too. :-\ Pretty inconsistent storytelling there, unless they follow up with Ben next week.

There's 2.5 hours left man. It'll work out. :lol You don't have to make every post negative.

 

[thekad]

It's funny, what might be the best episode of the season will end up with the least amount of posts. Oh, GAF.

 

[Turk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZsaQLpHf8k

The cast of LOST bid farewell

 

[Solo]

Smokey ALWAYS wanted to destroy the island if he could. But with Desmond dead, he figures why not give it to Ben. Desmond being alive puts Plan A back into effect. Theres nothing too difficult here.

 

[Aesius]

That was easily the best episode of the season, and representative of everything I love about LOST. Everything about it just worked. Now I'm starting to wish Kitsis, Horowitz, and Sarnoff had written the finale :lol

Like Solo said, that was end of S3/S4 good. I'm really surprised and happy that we got to see Dharmaville one last time, as well. And there's NO WAY Richard is dead.

 

[OneEightZero]

Smokey to Ben: Help me, and the island is yours when I leave.

15 minutes later.

Smokey to Ben: I'm going to destroy the island.

:lol

I wonder if that will make Ben turn against him. For the lot of good it'll do...

 

[neoism]

Jacob sounded different in this episode. Maybe I'm just seeing him differently.

Yeah, I don't know what to say.

Other than, fuck yo candidates. There's a position above the Protector, which only one man can fill. That position is the Desmond.

Because he knows all.

 

[infinityBCRT]

Yep! If you like an episode it means you think the writers are Gods guys! Plus if you don't like one episode of a show it means you're not allowed to like the next episode or smug trolls will post short smarmy comments about you and laugh. Get it together LOST-GAF!!!

I'm not laughing at you guys since I'm in the same boat. I was a little worried about where they were going with the ending too but any doubts I had were washed away with this episode. When Desmond gave Kate the dress in such a WTF moment I was like "fuck yeah, this is why I love Lost and anything wrong in Across the Sea is forgiven"

 

[ZeoVGM]

So yeah, awesome episode. Desmond owned the whole hour.

Though I have one complaint: Richard. If that's how they killed him off, that's fucking lame.

 

[Solo]

It's funny, what might be the best episode of the season will end up with the least amount of posts. Oh, GAF.

Uh, no :lol I think you need to revisit the threads of about Ep. 5 through Ep. 8. All are sub-2000, which this will break with ease.

 

[The Big Rig]

Does Jack get to keep his name, or does he become Jacob?

 

[Panda Bear]

Smokey ALWAYS wanted to destroy the island if he could. But with Desmond dead, he figures why not give it to Ben. Desmond being alive puts Plan A back into effect. Theres nothing too difficult here.

Exactly. Ben is going along with it because he has something up his sleeve. Like I said, I can't buy Ben just going back to his evil self after the epiphany he had a few episodes ago with Ilana.

 

[Apoc29]

This show really is just like Survivor :lol . If someone who never saw Lost watched that campfire scene they'd be like, "So is the blond guy like the Jeff Probst or something?"

 

[Spire]

Jacob sounded different in this episode. Maybe I'm just seeing him differently.

He's nicer and less douchey now that the writers need him to be.

 

[neoism]

Yep! If you like an episode it means you think the writers are Gods guys! Plus if you don't like one episode of a show it means you're not allowed to like the next episode or smug trolls will post short smarmy comments about you and laugh. Get it together LOST-GAF!!!

thats the way gaf works:lol :lol

 

[Aesius]

Does Jack get to keep his name, or does he become Jacob?

He's Jackob.

 

[Archaix]

So yeah, awesome episode. Desmond owned the whole hour.

Though I have one complaint: Richard. If that's how they killed him off, that's fucking lame.

I don't know. If his inflated sense of self-worth didn't scream "I'm about to die" I don't know what does. Richard believed that he was the most important person to Smokey's plans, and...well...we just had to clear that up once and for all.