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LOST 06.16: "What They Died For"
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brandonh83
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Blader5489 said:
yay for people who don't believe season 3 is the peak of the show!
Man, I couldn't disagree more with this notion that Locke was a crazy dude. If Lost has done nothing else, it's shown that Locke was right all along. Jack finally realized this and is about to save the world this Sunday, and THAT is Locke's "redemption" (he ain't coming back.)
Zeliard said:
Oh, he most certainly was right all along. Thats what makes what happened to him even harder to swallow.
S1-S4 Jack was all "Locke is crazy, dont believe him!" and the Losties followed Jack's lead. S5 Jack was all "Maybe Locke wasnt crazy". And now in S6 hes all "John Locke was right!"
Drealmcc0y
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Were there seriously people out there that thought Locke was wrong all along?
brandonh83
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Solo said:
See, while you think the quality of the last five episodes is the strongest in season 3, I'm more about the actual season finales, and the season as a whole. I do agree with you that quality wise, S3 has the most solid final five episodes. However, I think that season 4 and now season 6 has had better episodes. You don't think that season 6's final five episodes are as strong just because you don't like Across the Sea all that much, but that's completely irrelevant to me because I think The Candidate, The Last Recruit, What they Died For, and possibly (well, probably) the series finale event are better episodes than any of the "last five" in the other seasons.
So, you know, I see where you're coming from and I don't completely disagree, it's just that I think that despite ATS not delivering for everyone, season 6 has still had the best final run of episodes. We haven't seen the finale yet, but you know me, I'm incredibly optimistic and I do think the finale will be incredible. I just don't see how one episode (which wasn't even that bad) can cripple anything when everything surrounding it has been so amazing.
Aesius
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gdt5016 said:
A major part, yes, but he's essentially AS important as Jack and Flocke now.
Desmond is such a great character though. He's always been the wild card in the show, ever since the moment they introduced him (in, as others have said, probably the most mind fuck season premiere moment ever).
I always thought he seemed a little out of place in the Lost universe - he's very, very different from the rest of the characters, and I love how this season has played up that aspect of him even more.
Drealmcc0y
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Blader5489 said:
The hatch? I chalk that up to him finally coming to grips with getting Boone killed. He was driven that season to make the hatch mean something so that Boone died for something. Eventually he came to terms with what he did, got frustrated with the hatch "test" and lost faith. He was wrong there. But then he came back out in S3 UBER FANATICAL fashion :lol
Drealmcc0y
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Solo said:
hell no, he fully lost faith in the island
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Drealmcc0y said:
Thats what I just said - the hatch seemed to be nothing more than a mind game, "rats in a maze with no cheese", and he finally realized he got Boone killed for nothing. So he breaks down, smashes the computer to show Desmond that nothing is real, and that they shouldnt believe. He ends up being wrong, and from that moment on, becomes twice the fanatical Man of Faith (TM) until his eventual death.
brandonh83
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Arment said:
I really liked it. I agree with the complaints about the production values. They definitely could have been better. The magic cave looked kind of ridiculous and some of the performances were really spotty. Allison Janney did good, it's just that I think she kind of ham-fisted her way through it and I didn't get the impression that she's terribly familiar with the show. I think that could have been an iconic performance, but it wasn't. I liked her, especially in her quieter dialogue scenes but sometimes it was, again, a bit hammy.
What I disagree with, however, is its importance to the storyline. People have been ringing off that we knew everything without that episode, but really? After ATS, I'm able to better picture the entire story in my head. How things work, how things used to be, how far back this very similar conflict goes, exactly how the Man in Black attained his smoke monster form, what happened between Jacob and MIB that set off their personal conflict, how new protectors are initiated, and so on. Again, show, don't tell. Common rule in screenwriting. People say they would have been fine without seeing all this stuff but I could not disagree more. Because of Across the Sea, it made Jack's initiation flow incredibly well. We'd seen Jacob be initiated an episode beforehand, and in that regard its placement was very logical.
Aesius said:
It's wierd that after all this crazy stuff that has happened such as time travel, flash forward and etc. For me the most mind blowing moment of Lost was the the premiere of S2. I was thinking, huh is this Lost, who is this guy, why are we seeing scenes outside of the island that doesn't seem like a flash back, FUUUUUUUUUCK, it's a dude in the hatch and he has luxuries like a microwave and computer. How is this possible.
Yeah I probably remember that the most, because it was the first season premiere (not series premiere), and it was when Lost starting getting really wierd.
I'm not gonna put together any sort of list, but I will say this.
The best, and most important part of the show, is the entire Jack/Locke dynamic/relationship. Handled pitch fucking perfectly the entire time.
I was listening to some soundtrack stuff today, and I flipped to S1's Oceanic 815, which corresponds to that scene in the S1 finale where everyone is getting on the plane. Jack and Locke give each other a little nod (at the end of the episode), almost a wink to the audience that says "the two guys have no idea how important to each other they become, and have no idea what they're about to go through. This season has made that single look more powerful than ever. Fucking staggering.
The best, and most important part of the show, is the entire Jack/Locke dynamic/relationship. Handled pitch fucking perfectly the entire time.
I was listening to some soundtrack stuff today, and I flipped to S1's Oceanic 815, which corresponds to that scene in the S1 finale where everyone is getting on the plane. Jack and Locke give each other a little nod (at the end of the episode), almost a wink to the audience that says "the two guys have no idea how important to each other they become, and have no idea what they're about to go through. This season has made that single look more powerful than ever. Fucking staggering.
that look between them will fucking crush me. Man tears style.Drealmcc0y
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Zeliard said:
and we the audience right along with him
brandonh83
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Ron Howard is a good director it's just that the material he's been tackling lately... probably didn't need tackling at all.
brandonh83
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Arment said:
seriously, that was the most douchebag moment on the show besides Keamy blasting a cap in Alex's crown.
Drealmcc0y
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Arment said:
He wasnt that evil, he was just a loyalist
brandonh83
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Drealmcc0y said:
he blew himself up with a grenade just to make sure that Charlie drowned, and smirked big enough to make Jacob jealous before he did so.
Drealmcc0y
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Arment said:
Keamy was in it for the money and has a lust for blood.
Mikhail probably thought what he was doing was right and was for the good of the island.
Sounds alot like Locke when he threw a knife in Naomis back
The guy who penned greats such as...
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Lost in Space
Practical Magic
Starsky & Hutch
I, Robot
Poseidon
Deep Blue Sea
Mr. & Mrs. Smith
I Am Legend
Hancock
The Losers
Jonah Hex
Is writing The Dark Tower.
He did do Cinderella Man, A Beautiful Mind, Constantine and A Time To Kill though.
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Lost in Space
Practical Magic
Starsky & Hutch
I, Robot
Poseidon
Deep Blue Sea
Mr. & Mrs. Smith
I Am Legend
Hancock
The Losers
Jonah Hex
Is writing The Dark Tower.
He did do Cinderella Man, A Beautiful Mind, Constantine and A Time To Kill though.
Drealmcc0y
Banned
heyyyyy i liked I Robot 
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