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[Firestorm]

Source: http://www.brawlcentral.com
They say it's from Famitsu but I still see no Famitsu topic here for other stuff?

The rest of this post is copy+pasted:

# Final Destination is now 100% completely confirmed.
# The ordering for character weight that was shown a few days ago lists the percentages that it takes to KO that character with Mario's Side Smash from the center of Final Destination.
# Wall Clinging is confirmed.
# Mario can be KO'd at 17% by a fully charged side smash from King Dedede. So from the characters we know, Dedede's fully charged Side Smash is the most powerful move in the game.
# The Pokemon Trainer's pokemon all get fatigued at about 2 minutes, even if you dont move them. They all show visible signs of fatigue: Charizard lowers his head and wings. Squirtle drops his front hands to the ground. Ivysaur's bulb withers.
# The Famitsu magazine confirms the starting roster is the 23 characters on the Dojo. (minus Snake and Sonic, and including Zero Suit Samus and Sheik)
# Once fatigued, a Pokemon becomes much slower.
# If you do an aerial dodge the precise moment before you are hit by an opponent, it will reverse the attack.
# The game allows you to access the rules menu directly from the character select screen.
# When Sheik attacks with certain items such as the Star Rod and Beam Sword, she swings upward twice with a single motion.
# The damage percentages were determined in training mode against a dummy CP and do not take DI in to account.
# Wario's bite can swallow and destroy items and projectiles thrown at him. Everytime he does this, he takes 6% damage.
# The magazine makes no mention of being able to start as Zero Suit Samus at the start of a match.

Here is the Character Info:
# The best three attacks listed for each character tell which attacks have the most knockback, and what percentage they can KO Mario from the center of Final Destination.
# All of the smashes listed are uncharged.


Mario
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 103%
# Up Smash A: 124%
# Down Smash A: 136

Peach
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 80%
# Aerial Forward A: 124%
# Side Smash A: 135%

Bowser
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 80%
# Aerial Up A: 87%
# Down B: 94%

Yoshi
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 112%
# Aerial Up A: 123%
# Down B: 123%

Wario
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A:105%
# Aerial Up A: 120%
# Side A: 128%

Pit
# Number of jumps: 4
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: Yes
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Aerial Back A: 100%
# Side Smash A: 121%
# Down Smash A: 133%

DK
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Smash Side A: 75%
# Up Smash A: 79%
# Smash Down A: 92%

Diddy Kong
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: Yes
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 127%
# Down Smash A: 129%
# Aerial Forward A: 142%

Samus
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Aerial Back A: 115%
# Side Smash A: 126%
# Down A: 131%

Zero Suit Samus
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Side B: 111%
# Down B: 112%
# Aerial Back A: 115%

Fox
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 93%
# Side Smash A: 123%
# Aerial Back A: 125%

Link
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Aerial Down A: 84%
# Down Smash A: 107%
# Side Smash A: 119%

Zelda
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Arial Forward or Back A: 67% (WTF!!)
# Aerial Up A: 81%
# Side A: 104%

Shiek
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: Yes
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 89%
# Up B: 132%
# Side Smash A: 142%

Kirby
# Number of jumps: 5
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side B: 83%
# Side Smash A: 97%
# Down B: 100%

Metaknight
# Number of jumps: 5
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: Yes
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 111%
# Down Smash A: 112%
# Up A: 130%

King Dedede
# Number of jumps: 4
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 44% (Uff!!)
# Up A: 103%
# Up B: 104%

Lucas
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 75%
# Side Smash A: 88%
# Down Smash A: 90%

Ike
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 48%
# Down A: 86%
# Side A: 93%

Pikachu
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Down B: 76%
# Side Smash A: 105%
# Up Smash A: 115%

Ice Climbers
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 110%
# Up Smash A: 113%
# Aerial Forward A: 129%

Olimar
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 79% (varies depending on Pikmin)
# Down Smash A: 92% (varies depending on Pikmin)
# Side Smash A: 100% (varies depending on Pikmin)

Squirtle
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: Yes
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 93%
# Side Smash A: 119%
# Down Smash A: 136%

Ivysuar
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 59% (Ouch!!)
# Aerial Up A: 96%
# Side Smash A: 102%

Charizard
# Number of jumps: 3
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: Yes
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 83%
# Side B: 98%
# Up B: 101%

Back to my thoughts:
- Meta Knight can't kill confirmed
- What happened to Sheik's forward-air
- What did they do to Ice Climbers they're so weak now holy crap

Every single person seems to be weaker than last time except maybe Zelda. This is % lived <i>without</i> DI. I mean, with correct DI almost everyone's gonna be living to close to 150 - 200%?

Update on 26th:
More Character Move Details
I had some of this yesterday, but was unsure if it was true. Now I have it confirmed, so here it is: (remember again that these numbers are not taking DI into effect on a human player)

# Wario's Down B builds up the longer you go without using it. It reaches it's maximum potential after about 1 minutes and 50 seconds. It can KO Mario at 104%.
# Ike's fully charged Side Smash A can KO Mario at 20%
# A Gordo thrown by Dedede can KO Mario at 76%
# Dedede's fully charged Down B attack can KO Mario at 48%
# Diddy Kong's fully charged Side Smash A can KO Mario at 86%. (seems powerful considering Diddy's weak)
# Samus' fully charged Neutral B attack can KO Mario at 115% (I can't remember, but that sounds a bit nerfed)
# DK's fully charged Side Smash A can KO Mario at 42%.
# Ivysaur's fully charged Up Smash A can KO Mario at 33%.
# The magazine doesn't say anything about being able to change Pokemon in the air, but it says you cannot change while being hit. This leads me to believe that you must be on the ground and out of harm in order to switch.
# My source will be checking later today (tonight in the US) if any of the newly released Demo Stations are at any of the nearby retailers. If so, he'll tell us whatever he can about them.

Also, there's some things I'd like to point out. I noticed a few things didn't quite make sense with the charts, so I asked my source again and he confirmed that what he typed out to me was not an error:

# Kirby is listed as medium weight and Meta Knight is listed as light weight. On the list of characters in order, they are both KO'd at 91% by Mario. Why Kirby is listed as medium is unknown, but that IS what their charts said. So the final word seems: They're both the same weight, but the magazine put them into different weight classes for some reason.
# Ivysaur gets KO'd by Mario much easier than Squirtle does, yet Squirtle is listed as light, and Ivysaur as medium. This is not an error on our part, and it is in fact what what the magazine says.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

Wait...you can parry attacks with an air dodge? o_0

Fucking awesome.

Edit: I'm thinking of that return move from guilty gear. So, I wonder if they aerial dodge to, can they continue back and forth until someone gives out, or, is it instantaneous?

 

[Iam Canadian]

Wow...that's a lot of information.

I love Lucas' stats. His Smashes seem to be pretty powerful and, from the gameplay videos, he seems fast enough for my liking.

 

[grandjedi6]

I don't know what any of this data means, however I am happy that Olimar is on the starting roster

 

[LouieGeetoo]

Maybe I missed it, but what exactly is a Wall Cling? At first I was thinking it meant grapple, but Diddy Kong can do it.

As for the Ice Climbers, I hope they're not as nerfed as this makes them seem.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

Link seems a bit weak.

 

[No Means Nomad]

Wonder if Ice Climber stats are for one of them knocking people around or both. It had better be just one...because it takes way too much for them to knock people off looking at that.

 

[webrunner]

It looks like Zero Suit Samus is stronger than regular Samus.

I did not expect that.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Transparency, ever heard of it brawlcentral? Have you?

 

[Akinola]

hype +1000

 

[Threi]

LUCAS BABY COME TO ME

 

[Firestorm]

Maybe I missed it, but what exactly is a Wall Cling? At first I was thinking it meant grapple, but Diddy Kong can do it.

As for the Ice Climbers, I hope they're not as nerfed as this makes them seem.

I'm not completely sure either. Only Diddy, Sheik, and Squirtle seem to be able to do it.

 

[donkey show]

Maybe I missed it, but what exactly is a Wall Cling? At first I was thinking it meant grapple, but Diddy Kong can do it.

As for the Ice Climbers, I hope they're not as nerfed as this makes them seem.

I would assume something similar to Megaman X where you can just hang onto the side of the wall while slowly sliding down.

And omg Dedede... fucking powerful.

 

[Formless]

It seems like it's the same thing Megaman does when you're above the ground leaning on a wall

 

[Oblivion]

That's too many characters to start out with, but eh.

 

[Insaniac]

Just FYI, on the Dojo, it talks about how Snake has Codec conversations about his opponents before hand. One of them is about Zero Suit Samus... so maybe ZSSamus can eventually be selectable?

 

[bluemax]

What is this best 3 mumbo jumbo? Is higher or lower better?

 

[OgnodoD]

# Mario can be KO'd at 17% by a fully charged side smash from King Dedede.

Wow.

 

[Firestorm]

That's too many characters to start out with, but eh.

Leaves 14 unlockables so not bad at all really.

What is this best 3 mumbo jumbo? Is higher or lower better?

Lower % is better. It's the 3 attacks with the best knockback and what % they can kill a dummy Mario on Final Destination from the middle of the stage.

Hm, I hope they mean what % it takes to knock him off the side of the stage or something. At least that would make sense.

 

[Formless]

Just FYI, on the Dojo, it talks about how Snake has Codec conversations about his opponents before hand. One of them is about Zero Suit Samus... so maybe ZSSamus can eventually be selectable?

It's in the 1P mode that he does that most likely, so that doesn't necessarily mean ZSS can be selectable. I do hope that there's a similar way to start with ZSS though like how you could use Shiek from the getgo.

 

[tapedeck]

Air Dodge can be a Parry?!? :O

 

[darkpaladinmfc]

What is this best 3 mumbo jumbo? Is higher or lower better?

Higher would be better, but the jumps are obviously alot shorter, Kirby and Jiggly already have multiple jumps.

 

[Insaniac]

Leaves 14 unlockables so not bad at all really.



Lower % is better. It's the 3 attacks with the best knockback and what % they can kill a dummy Mario on Final Destination from the middle of the stage.

Hm, I hope they mean what % it takes to knock him off the side of the stage or something. At least that would make sense.

Confirmed?

 

[Holy Order Sol]

1) Super Smash Bros Third Strike confirmed
2) Zelda shall from now on be known as Princess Falcon
3) OMG DEH DEH DEH

 

[A Link to the Past]

Leaves 14 unlockables so not bad at all really.

I'd rather it have been

Mario
Pikachu
Link
Kirby
Samus
Wario
Meta Knight
Pit

(realistically

Mario
Pikachu
Link
Kirby
Samus
Wario
Meta Knight
Pit
Donkey Kong
Yoshi
Fox McCloud
Lucas
Pokémon Trainer
Ice Climbers

I know, lack of Peach, Zelda, Bowser, Dedede, Diddy Kong, Olimar, and Ike, but wouldn't it be awesome to unlock Bowser and Dedede by "finally" beating them through the SSE? And with Peach and Zelda, unlock them by rescuing one or the other?

 

[Speevy]

I can't wait to use King Dedede.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Zelda
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Arial Forward or Back A: 67% (WTF!!)
# Aerial Up A: 81%
# Side A: 104%

Woo-hoo! Zelda's my main.

That was always my favorite KO move with Zelda, nice to see it upgraded. You have to remember that there's a very small window for max damage to hit with for that move, kinda like Captain Falcon's knee. If you miss the timing, you're not going to hit very hard.

Too bad they nerfed Peach's D-Smash so much that it's not even on the list though.

 

[jman2050]

When they talk about the air dodge 'reversing' a character's attack, do they mean Counter like Marth or literally reverse like Mario's cape? Or perhaps something else entirely?

 

[Firestorm]

Confirmed?

Depends on your faith in Reno and MarkMan.
I've pretty much just taken it as fact.

 

[DeceitDecide]

Sounds like Ivysaur is going to be a little overpowered.

On an unrelated note when the hell are all the secret characters going to officially leak? This damn wait is killing me.

 

[Insaniac]

Woo-hoo! Zelda's my main.

That was always my favorite KO move with Zelda, nice to see it upgraded. You have to remember that there's a very small window for max damage to hit with for that move, kinda like Captain Falcon's knee. If you miss the timing, you're not going to hit very hard.

Too bad they nerfed Peach's D-Smash so much that it's not even on the list though.

I love that they improved Zelda. Now i hope they made her special moves a little less useless.

 

[Firestorm]

When they talk about the air dodge 'reversing' a character's attack, do they mean Counter like Marth or literally reverse like Mario's cape? Or perhaps something else entirely?

I think like Counter. Or like powershielding in Melee but for all attacks and not just projectiles. Obviously this would be only in the air. Great to see Brawl expanding on the aerial game as that's what sets it apart from other fighters most imo.

 

[Tom_Cody]

Yes Yes Yes at King Dedede's side smash. As an abuser of Captain Falcon's knee, a strong smash move is my number one requirement in selecting a character. I have been waiting for him since the original smash and I cannot wait to try him out. Damn you Sakurai and your delays!

 

[jman2050]

Too bad they nerfed Peach's D-Smash so much that it's not even on the list though.

I don't claim to be an expert on Peach or anything, but I thought the big draw of her d-smash, in addition to its knockback, was that it could multihit and deal up to 50-60% damage in one attack.

EDIT - Also, HOLY crap at Zelda's kick. I have one friend who mains Zelda that's basically perfected that kick against all of us. She's gonna be ecstatic :/

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

Guess that Kirby buff has been confirmed.

Also glad Zeldas up-aerial is good now. That shit was weaksauce first time around and hard to land

 

[Firestorm]

I don't claim to be an expert on Peach or anything, but I thought the big draw of her d-smash, in addition to its knockback, was that it could multihit and deal up to 50-60% damage in one attack.

It was also that it could knock them around pretty much across the stage. Now it can't do the 60% in one attack or even kill in Sudden Death (300%).

 

[Fireblend]

Damn Lucas seems to be such an improvement from Ness in Melee; definitely gonna play with him, ever since he was announced I was sure it would be this way :lol

 

[ggnoobIGN]

Depends on your faith in Reno and MarkMan.
I've pretty much just taken it as fact.

Reno said there were 13 unlockables, and his list included:

Pit
Wario
Ike
Pokemon Trainer
Diddy Kong
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Olimar


So...?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

# The game allows you to access the rules menu directly from the character select screen.
# When Sheik attacks with certain items such as the Star Rod and Beam Sword, she swings upward twice with a single motion.

Aren't these the same as in Melee? Entering the rules menu from the char select screen, and both Sheik and Falcon handled those items the same way, along with their uppercut baseball bat swing.

It was also that it could knock them around pretty much across the stage. Now it can't do the 60% in one attack or even kill in Sudden Death (300%).

Exactly. Much too big of a nerf.

I guess Peach will drop as my alternate main then, I may have to go with Lucas instead.

 

[Ashhong]

Wait, so the starting roster is basically everyone from the DOJO minus Snake and Sonic? That means plenty of unlockable that he hasn't announced...nice. Means we still have a chance at Falco/n?

 

[FDLink]

Link seems a bit weak.

Again? Swell. My buddy will have a field day with owning me with a top tier character.

Oh well.

 

[Neiteio]

An uncharged Up Smash from Ivysaur can KO Mario from the center of Final Destination at only 59%.

Holy hell. I expected someone like Dedede to be strong, but Ivysaur? Ivysaur's brutal!

 

[[Nintex]]

Transparency, ever heard of it brawlcentral? Have you?

Imagine if Famitsu would put their logo on every page like that. :lol

 

[SovanJedi]

Sounds like Ivysaur is going to be a little overpowered.

I think it'll be balance out - based on that weight ratio thingy we had leaked a few days ago, Ivysaur was the second lightest out of all the starting characters (even lighter than Squirtle!)

The lightest was Fox.

 

[Kletian]

Hrm, it takes two minutes to Fatigue a pokemon. So essetially, depending on the match, you could easily play as one Poke through the entirety of the fight.

 

[A Human Becoming]

I wish there were Melee stats out there for comparison.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Also, HOLY crap at Zelda's kick. I have one friend who mains Zelda that's basically perfected that kick against all of us. She's gonna be ecstatic :/

And her Up-Smash is still pretty strong as well.

Can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait.

To celebrate I'll switch my avatar off of the rotation pic and stick with the SSBB ava.

 

[webrunner]

I dunno, Link seems pretty good.. not many of the main powerhouse characters have a sub-90% on their list. He's average.

Remember, %'s are generally higher this time around, discounting crazy things like DeDeDeDeath

 

[Semantic Continuum]

COME ON!

 

[ickingfudiot]

If there is no luigi I will /wrists