I doubt that. Nintendo's always used ROM before.
Writing to game cards has security flaws as well.
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LPVG Report: Nintendo Switch Dock Doesnt Support External USB Drives
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Writing to game cards has security flaws as well.
If Switch allows write back to cart's game memory for patches, that would be very good.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
"Oh gee you wanted take Breath of the Wild out with you like what happened in that commercial but you had the game installed on the dock and taking it out would potentially corrupt it? Well that's your problem."
Indeed, I am aware. I highlighted in the second post once I thought on it more.
Without HDD this means that we can't do fridge management as an option and instead have to delete/redownload which can impact data caps. It also means we can't have an optional 'home only' library or the people who are exclusively using switch as a home console can't have larger, more affordable storage solutions.
It's not the end of the world, but more options are always nice, especially until larger micro SD cards drop in price.
Just wonder how long 128 gig will last me going all digital and how often i'll have to delete games to get stuff to fit. As soon as that first 50 gig game hits, people will be whining :/
It's not the end of the world, but more options are always nice, especially until larger micro SD cards drop in price.
Just wonder how long 128 gig will last me going all digital and how often i'll have to delete games to get stuff to fit. As soon as that first 50 gig game hits, people will be whining :/
Dark Cloud
Member
Isn't there a picture of the kickstand and it only shows one?
ProtomanNeo
Member
I'm a little confused if the Switch supports micro SD up to 128gb what exactly is the issue here?
Okami Haundo
Member
I will be incredibly surprised if Nintendo "never" allows external drive support via the dock. I think we just need to keep in mind that these rumored details are based on what the Switch with "launch" with. The dock supports USB and the console OS can always be updated with new features down the line.
StoppedInTracks
Member
Uhh... if you really think DOOM will hit the NX...
Serenitynow
Member
It sucks for anyone who likes buying digital, as modern games can be around 50GB in size.
Third party developers aren't going to alter their entire development pipeline just to be able to squeeze their AAA games on Nintendo's system. This is Nintendo's problem.
TDLink
Member
This is not a problem. MicroSD makes so much more sense since this is a device you can take away from the TV with you. Having to carry a HDD around with you or only having access to the HDD when you are plugged into the Dock would be weird and awkward. Just always having the microSD in the system no matter what works great. And they do MicroSD up to 2 TB, which is more than enough.
It serves as a general (extreme) example on patch sizes, it's arguably not a game that is coming to Switch.
Pretty much.
ProtomanNeo
Member
Ahh I see. Thanks.
He was just using Doom as an example, but there's no reason to think that it's not a possibility. Yes, the graphical fidelity would go down, but I don't see a scenario where it wouldn't be possible to port it to the Switch. If anyone says otherwise, it's just excuses or "not compromising the engine" or whatever it may be.
It's possible to run Uncharted 4 on my TI-84+ graphic calculator if Naughty Dog really wanted it. Of course they can downport and size reduce.
Question is, will they even bother investing the time and money to do so?
Nintendo had a code compiler to "translate" to the Wii U, so they'll probably have that and more for the switch to make it as easy as possible to get the big names to hop on without much risk or effort. Willing to bet they demonstrate how much quicker the switch will load AAA games compared to the others, giving them something to boast about, while also giving people incentive to go physical.
Maintenance
Member
Show me one that's real, not a prototype, and that doesn't cost the same as buying all current gen consoles plus the mid gen upgrades.
Don't 3DS games patch to the SD card though rather than the Game Card, itself?
Unless they did something, hardware wise, that would prevent this, yeah I'd hope so too. Once the system is selling and 'messaging' isn't as important, they can relax a bit. Especially if they ever release a vita-tv-esque version of it for people who want to jump in at a lower price-point (down the line)
digita1alchemy
Member
If the 3DS is any indication, you will be able to easily back up and restore any data you have previously downloaded using a PC.
Okami Haundo
Member
You're talking about your decision to purchase a "revised" version of a console that hasn't even released yet... and... you're basing that decision on features that will/won't be supported at the initial launch?
You just broke my brain...
Is this the new Square shot themselves in the foot, etc.?
LordRaptor
Member
"alter entire development pipeline" = compress traditionally memory hungry assets like textures, video and audio?
If publishers see a benefit to doing so - such as low digital sales of high memory releases, or a cheaper purchase bracket for their physical retail media - they will do so.
If they don't, they won't.
Chezzymann
Member
So you basically have to to get a 128 GB micro SD with the added memory inside the thing (which isn't likely to be over 128GB by itself) which means the max storage the average joe can get is 256?
I hope the games are fairly small (like 10 gigabytes) cause that wont last very long if you're going all digital.
I hope the games are fairly small (like 10 gigabytes) cause that wont last very long if you're going all digital.
TLZ
Banned
What if I never want to take it anywhere and treat it as the home console it's supposed to be?
DrROBschiz
Member
Well its hard to say
Many companies dont bother trimming up their data footprint cuz they dont feel pressured to do so
Honestly whether or not this becomes normal for third parties on the switch depends heavily on the success of the console and install base built at launch
Okami Haundo
Member
I get your argument here, but Nintendo clearly doesn't view the Switch as a stationary device. As a result, I don't think we'll ever see options that primarily benefit those who will leave the Switch in the dock. If we get external support, I'm willing to bet it won't let us play games until we "transfer" them to the console first.
MuchoMalo
Nintendo Just Shot Themselves In The Foot
(Today, 07:43 AM)
What 3rd party games?
I kid, I kid!
Hmm...gonna reserve full judgment on this until Jan. 12th tbh.
TLZ
Banned
It's supposed to be a home console first, and have the option to take it away if you want to. Also, as a hybrid, it should allow the NS to act as both, home console AND portable. Therefore meaning you can choose to have it used as a home console only and have the easier and cheaper option to attach an HDD, or use it as a portable and use SD cards instead. Whatever floats your boat.
What this is telling me is that it's not even a hybrid. There is no option but one. The one that caters only to the portable part, the SD cards.
So now I know this is really a portable that can be played as a home console, not the other way around.
Got the message.
Makes sense and im ok with this. Im mainly physical anyway and 128gb+ should be plenty for indie games. Ill just carry a game case/wallet in my backpack like i do now for my 3DS anyways.
As a side note i love carry cases, cant wait to see what cool ones come out for the Switch.
As a side note i love carry cases, cant wait to see what cool ones come out for the Switch.
DrROBschiz
Member
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Newsflash: you can on 3DS too, hell you can do that over wifi on New 3DS.
First: the 128GB limit is just an assumption because that's the card that came with devkits (brand 256GB cards are also like 4 to 5 times the price), but even then it's VERY probable the system will support SDXC cards up to 2TB, like 3DS' official figure given is 32GB but instead supports up to 256GB SDXC as long as you format with a 64kb cluster (FAT32)
It's also *historically* proven that storage price for SD Cards (Micro etc.) close to halve whenever a twofold storage card releases; it's super likely you'll be able to grab 256GB card for $50 *on the market* (not MRSP) when 1TB Micro and 2TB SDXC are more ubiquitous.
GabeTheGrouch76
Member
I understand the arguments being made for its removal, but I still think some alternative options or workarounds could had considered, as opposed to axing the feature entirely. Not the best move IMO. Each new revelation about the platform (rumored or no) increases my concerns that their execution of the hybrid concept (if not the hybrid concept outright) isn't up to scratch.
Agreed on both counts.
Agreed on both counts.
That isn't going to be an issue. The specs of this thing are more toward the Wii U end of the scale than the PS4 Pro/PC end. Nobody is going to be publishing games with gigabytes of uncompressed audio, 4K FMV and megatextures.
Here you go:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00V62XBQQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
200GB for $79
Edit: and as others already said, if it supports regular SDXC instead of Micro, 512gb cards are already available. Honestly, i think storage won't be a big issue.
DrROBschiz
Member
Then they better get their act together.
So far, most everything regarding the design of this thing says "Portable First."
SinCityAssassin
Member
I continue to hate that the hardware has to increase storage size in order to compensate for developers not fucking bothering to know how to compress their games in an efficient manner. Doom's great. I love it. I don't love that it takes up 70 GB of my fucking hard drive. It's fucking bullshit.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I was wondering how this was going to pan out. I understand their stance, but it still sucks. We're not going to be able to store many games and will often need to micromanage space.
I think I would've still preferred external HDD support on the dock to act as a storage tank for my library. Just allow me to copy over whatever games I wanted on the portable to copy over to an SD card.
I think I would've still preferred external HDD support on the dock to act as a storage tank for my library. Just allow me to copy over whatever games I wanted on the portable to copy over to an SD card.
I think the micro SD thing bothers me more, though I would have liked a somewhat Wii-esque setup where you could use the HDD as a fridge and store and pull games from there. It'd probably have to block games from running off of it and require copying over to the system memory and SD Card first.
But stuck on Micro? Man, full size SD cards can be gotten at half a terabyte, and even a full tb soon as I recall. That'd be pretty good for a home system, never mind a handheld, but instead we're being gobbled for... reasons.
But stuck on Micro? Man, full size SD cards can be gotten at half a terabyte, and even a full tb soon as I recall. That'd be pretty good for a home system, never mind a handheld, but instead we're being gobbled for... reasons.