theusedversion
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I don't think I will ever understand why people like this one more than Seven. OoF is inferior in every single way, imo.
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LTTP: Ys: The Oath in Felghana
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Apart from game balance, bosses, level design, platforming, skill level and pacing?
Well they're pretty different, so it just comes down to taste. I don't care for the narrative and the fundamental gameplay just feels worse to me. Felghana and Origin feel more lean and arcade-like, which I can appreciate.
theusedversion
Member
Seven is better in every conceivable way. I think others agree since it generally gets better reviews from places like Amazon, Metacritic, etc.
Edit: Speaking of user reviews. Metacritic critic reviews has OiF one point higher and Gamerankings has Seven one point higher.
Superior on paper doesn't mean anything. I got into Ys when the English patch for VI came out. That game uses the same basic graphics engine as Felghana and Origin and I ended up loving all three of them. Then I went back and played I&II and loved those as well. While I played VII, I felt it lost a lot of what made me love the games in the first place. I liked it a lot, but I felt it lost a lot of charm and it just didn't feel the same. I was still really excited when Celceta was announced (oh yeah, I also played and loved the PC Engine Ys IV on PSN), but I haven't even been able to get through that. Hopefully, one of these times it will hook me but it hasn't happened so far. I still consider Ys one of my favorite series of games, but if you removed VI and Oath from the equation, I think my feelings would be a lot different.
So "naaah it's BETTER" is your argument when everyone else here disagrees? And using amazon reviews and metacritic is a big reach when you compare two titles in one of the most niche game JRPG franchises in the west.
They are level on Amazon reviews anyway. Just had a look.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
My personal ranking is something like
Origin > Seven > Oath > Ys 2 > Ys 1 > Ark
Haven't played Celceta yet
Fights in Seven are frantic and fast paced as hell anyone that doesn't think so probably didn't actually play the game.
Parry system feels dumb in the broken sense but it felt like it was balanced around nightmare punishing you insanely hard so it ends up being required. Besides anyone that complains about the parry only to bring up oath and origin are being dumb. Those games have super abusive guard abilities as well.
Origin > Seven > Oath > Ys 2 > Ys 1 > Ark
Haven't played Celceta yet
Fights in Seven are frantic and fast paced as hell anyone that doesn't think so probably didn't actually play the game.
Parry system feels dumb in the broken sense but it felt like it was balanced around nightmare punishing you insanely hard so it ends up being required. Besides anyone that complains about the parry only to bring up oath and origin are being dumb. Those games have super abusive guard abilities as well.
Tizoc
Member
It is on sale until Tuesday/Monday.
Go.
Now.
Get it.
Is it downloading to your Vita while reading this very line?
If not, why are you reading this when you should be gracing your Vita/PSP with Adol Christen?
If not, why are you reading this when you should be gracing your Vita/PSP with Adol Christen?
not psycho
Member
One of my two favorite games of the last decade (along with Shadow of the Colossus).
It's hard to pin down exactly why it works perfectly for me. But I think, more than just about any other game I've played, it feels like the bosses are real matches for you. Like
for example, he's got a cool moveset, and is perfectly willing to kill you with it. His attack patterns themselves give him a sort of depth and personality even though the story isn't deep. And when you face a dangerous looking monster, they really can kill you in a couple hits. But at the same time, you have your own awesome moveset, so it's a fair fight. This isn't the same thing as difficulty... you could have a more difficult game with less of a feeling of well matched bosses of comparable stature. Oath is hard, but not overly hard to me (meaning, it always added to my enjoyment rather than detracting).
It's hard to pin down exactly why it works perfectly for me. But I think, more than just about any other game I've played, it feels like the bosses are real matches for you. Like
Chester
BassForever
Member
Just played it recently doing a lttp ys and trails thread that will be finished whenever I finish mu thoughts on Origins. Oath is easily my favorite game in the series it was very good.
BassForever
Member
Go Play Ys 1 then come back to us
It can't be worse...surely it can't be worse
BassForever
Member
Ys 1 took me 8ish hours to beat, I'd say almost a quarter of that time was trying to kill the final boss. The challenge is compounded by the fact you can't grind in Ys 1 past the low level cap (at least the version I played on Steam) so your only option is to throw yourself at him again and again hoping this time maybe you'll get lucky.
Xenoflare
Member
I'd argue that 7 is a major shift in terms of gameplay from the three games that based off YS6, namely YS6, Oath and Origins. I loved the fact that the three elemental skills in relation to platforming found in the latter two, Oath is also my first Ys game.
I'd say Origins is the best in terms of gameplay but that's my opinion, people may hate origins due to the fact that it's basically an expansion in terms of plot and not a full game, but I'd also like to point out that Ys's story is not worth the effort to be taken seriously.
Granted, I played 6 and Oath on PC, and I don't really know that experience translate onto the PSP. Origins never had a portable release.
theusedversion
Member
The plot was worse. The characters unlikeable. The environments were worse. The graphics worse. The world was much smaller and the game much shorter. The combat was worse (3 party is better). Less customization. The bosses were way, way worse. The animation and skill balance was largely unnoticeable to me and felt fine on both games. Seven felt much more like an RPG. Like someone earlier said, OiF is much akin to an arcade game.
But because "everyone" else on GAF disagrees, I should fall in line, eh?
Weird, I don't remember a low level cap. I played the Turbo CD version, so maybe they just uncapped the levels in that one.
Ys I on Nightmare is pretty brutal. For the final boss, you're on a destructible platform and it's easy to get cornered/stuck. All this while the boss moves around constantly. I don't want to know how many tries it took, but I got lucky in the end.
Xenoflare
Member
Well, as I said, Oath is a PC game first, PSP game second, I guess it didn't translate well.
I'd also would argue that the "rpg" feel you claimed for 7 is what made 7 a difficult experience for me to adjust, it wasn't the Ys I known and loved for. It feels a lot slower overall, and I enjoyed the silence of the lack of voices in the original PC releases. Of course I could have just turned the battle voices off. Aisha plz shutup in battles.
With that said, 7 has a PC release, in China officially, out of all regions, so there is hope I guess? Since there is an official PC version of 7 running around. I think this applies to Zero no Kiseki as well, not sure about Ao.
Nightengale
Member
I think this is where opinions differ for a lot of folk.
I LOVE Seven. I love the fact that Seven took (mostly) everything good about the franchise and pushed it in a more JRPG direction. Characters/world, etc got more development, etc. And a lot of added gameplay/RPG mechanics. The game was more meaty.
At the same time, I get the preference for the more lean/mean Ys. Especially those who don't like 'JRPG' stories and think they're too animu or not to their taste. I for one, love it, so more of those stuff = better.
FunkyPajamas
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Take a bow, OP, you just sold me on the game.
chaosblade
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This is only true on nightmare. Oath is much harder than Origin on lower difficulties. Seriously, the step up from Origin hard to Origin nightmare is massive, hard is still quite forgiving and feels about as difficult as Oath's normal mode.
Anyway, I'm one of the ones that doesn't like all the RPG fluff in Ys games. Seven and Celceta feel like huge steps in the wrong direction to me. Still fun games though.
Oh, I didn't know that. No wonder I settled on Hard in Origin for my second and third playthroughs, then.
djSyndrome
Member
The games are cheap enough where arguing about whether Oath or Origins is better is pointless. Play them both!
Morrigan Stark
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And yes, everything about this meme is true.
And yes, everything about this meme is true.
Steiner_Zi
Member
Bought both Oath and Chronicles (I+II) for £6.50 on Steam last weekend thanks to an weekend-madness sale! I'm planning on starting Oath first... Can't wait!
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
No wonder I was struggling against Guilen. There's a goddamn broad sword that I didn't know existed that I supposed to find. All this time I had been plucking away with my short sword. Enemies were easily killed with my short sword so I didn't realise it'd be sooooo inadequate for the boss fight.
Pick up the broad sword and I beat Guilen first go. Fuck this shit.
No wonder I was struggling against Guilen. There's a goddamn broad sword that I didn't know existed that I supposed to find. All this time I had been plucking away with my short sword. Enemies were easily killed with my short sword so I didn't realise it'd be sooooo inadequate for the boss fight.
Pick up the broad sword and I beat Guilen first go. Fuck this shit.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Welcome to Ys
Obligatory:
And yes, everything about this meme is true.
The best part about that meme is that, yes, it's all true.
Kinda of a bummer that
it has the bishop spoiler in it 
....although I was legit surprised about the nun
....although I was legit surprised about the nunFantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Loving this game so far...
already thinking about getting that latest Ys on Vita
and LOL yeah that Meme sounds about right. This game is all kinds of badass. glad I finally have my intro into the series. I've seen a lot of gameplay vids of the series and knew I would one day enjoy it.
already thinking about getting that latest Ys on Vita
and LOL yeah that Meme sounds about right. This game is all kinds of badass. glad I finally have my intro into the series. I've seen a lot of gameplay vids of the series and knew I would one day enjoy it.
BuckRobotron
Member
Did indeed decide to get Oath and put it on the PSP (2k). As expected, I'm enjoying it immensely.
Nice to have Oath on the go and with extras like the voice acting not on PC while always looking forward to the game that got me on this Ys train, Origin in crisp hd on PC.
Nice to have Oath on the go and with extras like the voice acting not on PC while always looking forward to the game that got me on this Ys train, Origin in crisp hd on PC.
Yeah, I'm pretty much burnt out on JRPG stories so I wasn't happy with the increased emphasis of that in VII, especially since it wasn't especially well-written and the characters were completely unmemorable. I just wanted to hack and slash things up!
(I also regret playing VII on Hard because the bosses became massive HP sponges and endurance tests.)
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Just got to one of the major plot twists. Damn!
I can second that the story isn't so typical animu. Its definitely kept me going to finish the game.
I can second that the story isn't so typical animu. Its definitely kept me going to finish the game.
Dude, I did the same thing, leveled up once and got the broadsword and wiped him quick.
Not sure where you are, but I was always under th assumption that Chester
was under some sort of spell...NOPE
Tizoc
Member
Kinda of a bummer thatit has the bishop spoiler in it
Man that was one twist I never saw coming XD
I funnily don't see the pope image as a nod towards it 
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Outside the last boss I honestly think this is the second hardest boss in the game.
Nope..
if that is your vid you spend way too much time standing still. Use only left and right buttons and run from one end of the arena to the other using only fireballs. you can hit him off screen. the only wrinkle is that you occasionally need to use wind to fly over his howl attack