Lol, I been wondering this as well.
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Lol, I been wondering this as well.
I meant in action. He looks like a lanky man with a robot mask, but then you see him next to other characters and he's huge. He moves in this really mechanized way, but is constantly wiggling and swaying. He's super slow and weighs a ton, but all his specials are fast, and on top of that, descriptions rather than names. He's a mystery wrapped in a bunch of contradicting information, and it all gells together well. In that respect his design makes perfect sense.
sixteen-bit
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"I should put Ingrid in SF5"
I think he's supposed to be Street Fighter's Jason Voorhees. One of his intros is a family fleeing from him and one of his winposes is that he'll stomp on his knocked out opponent's skull.
DJ Lushious
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Claw's been my main since Championship Edition and, yeah, I've already resigned myself to being on the lookout for a new main in SFV. I will be utterly shocked if he makes the initial roster.The only character I'm going to really miss is Vega. Don't think he'll make it (at least at first)
denshuu
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Billionaire girls club!
Every time I see this I think Karin is going to get head cut off on the damn helicopter blades.
Beelzebufo
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Yeah, it'll be rough at first. He's apparently well liked (he was in the top 20 or so of that poll) though so maybe down the road.
Haven't got to the design thing yet, but the "this is NOT SFIV" thing at the top is really funny lol.Y'all can't do this to mah gurl. Mah boo
It's just a horrible, horrible redesign all around, and completely goes against the school of proper SF char design. 1Up may be dead, but a poster named BigMex wrote a series of excellent articles some years ago digging into what makes good Street Fighter design. These were written sometime after SFIV came out but maybe a bit before the Super edition came around.
Here's one of them hosted on Capcom-Unity. Gets to the crux of the manner, although I don't think it's the only one he did in this style.
Read that, then look at this design again and you'll see how awful it truly is.
yurinka
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I love Ono, he's fucking great!He does do a sexy poison!
SolidSnakex
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It could depend on whether Ono is including games outside of Street Fighter with his statement. Because Alex was in Tatsunoko vs. Capcom.
Exr
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Hahaha that's spot on
Chun Li and Codys daughter already born with the shacklesDat NRS Chun-Li:
He's literally Robot Detective K. The Robot Detective is even just called K sometimes.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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In retrospect I feel the same way as you about their critique on the majority of III's cast they didn't like....aside from Remy and Necro. I still say they're on-point regarding those two.
In particular though I linked it in reference to the SFIV characters because to this day the only IV designs that were "pretty decent" are Abel, C. Viper and Juri, and all three of them have flaws that weaken their design imho (in relation to fitting in with stronger SF designs). It's one reason why I would have preferred Arika work on IV; Ikeno would still be the designer but if he was content with "innovative" designs like Rufus and Fuerte, at least we could've gotten some Cracker Jack, Allen or Skullomania to make up for them.
Instead, we got Hakan. <sigh>
The Lone Dragon
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Hakan is awesome. His design is simple, but memorable. Bizarre, but purposeful. His moveset is unique and nuanced. He's well animated (ultra 2 is perfect). He's super fun to use. His family is absurd. His voice actors are both flawless.
And actually, for all the people who talk like the SF2 cast is "iconic perfection", Hakan seems like the most suitable to fit within SF2 with his outrageous, yet focused design.
RedAssedApe
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Dat NRS Chun-Li:
lol...about how well nrs does female character models
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Eh, that very well could be the case. I think I was disappointed with him b/c I wanted a "bam!" super-awesome design after the promising Juri, but I don't think Hakan is that design.
Also sometimes I think he's a bit too silly; at least chars like Blanka and Dhalsim are serious about what they do and just happen to incidentally be kind of funny. Like, for them being "funny" is an afterthought. Hakan seems somewhat half-and-half, so I'm kind of indifferent to that aspect of them as a result.
Hours Left
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There's a difference between generic and simplified. I think his design is one of the best in the entire series.
It makes him stand apart from the rest of the SFIV newbies who are primarily all based around gimmicks. (That's not necessarily a bad thing, but variety is always greatly welcomed.)
I like how KOF players tend to play him like Clark hehe.
I think he's pretty classic, myself. His design fits very well with the Super 16.
Hakan is great but too busy for SF2 imo. He's like Blanka in weirdness but Blanka's weirdness is also satisfyingly simple, and Hakan's really isn't.
Also, Remy and Necro are great.
Remapped88
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I actually love all the SFIV character designs tbh. SF characters always had a simple/boring look to them compared to something like Tekken or KoF and outta the SFIV cast, Abel and El Fuerte fits the most as SF2 like. Both of them have no gimmicks to their looks compared to Juri, C.Viper, Rufus and Hakan so a lot of people hate their boring designs. Those other 4 still look SFish but have more twists design wise such as Juri's weird TKD pants or Hakan's odd color and hair.
As for SFV, new characters should be a highlight at E3.....dunno why Capcom is taking so long in showing off at least 1 brand new character. 1 returning and 1 new would be good enough for me at this stage since they barely showed anything for months. Waiting a few months from Charlie's trailer to M.Bison trailer was pretty painful and nobody even expected the M.Bison trailer until E3.
As for SFV, new characters should be a highlight at E3.....dunno why Capcom is taking so long in showing off at least 1 brand new character. 1 returning and 1 new would be good enough for me at this stage since they barely showed anything for months. Waiting a few months from Charlie's trailer to M.Bison trailer was pretty painful and nobody even expected the M.Bison trailer until E3.
abstract alien
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I thought Hakan was the best new character...
Remapped88
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Hakan definitely had the best personality along with Juri and C.Viper within the SFIV cast imo. Seth, Rufus and Elf are just there.....nothing much but okay. Abel though is boring even though I loved playing him. He seems kinda dumb but that's mostly because he's is an amnesiac lol.
KittenMaster
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Abel looks like he could have easily been in the original SF2 World Warrior game, which I've always liked about his character.
Well, yeah, that's where Q's look came from (and why I assume Harada said that he wasn't able to put Q in Tekken X SF). However, I'm not familiar with the series but I'm sure K doesn't indiscriminately murder people.
I think Abel, El Fuerte, Rufus and Hakan are great designs and are pretty underrated overall. At this point I'm convinced that SF fans just hate fun.
C. Viper is a z-grade Falcoon-reject utter garbage. Seth is atrocious and the only redeemable aspect of him is Akio Ohtsuka voicing him. Gouken is cool but his attacks lack that "oomph" factor. Playing him is a rather underwhelming experience. Juri is ok. Decapre and Oni are just whatever.
C. Viper is a z-grade Falcoon-reject utter garbage. Seth is atrocious and the only redeemable aspect of him is Akio Ohtsuka voicing him. Gouken is cool but his attacks lack that "oomph" factor. Playing him is a rather underwhelming experience. Juri is ok. Decapre and Oni are just whatever.
He's just more machine than man. 3S online edition came out in 2011 so I don't see why it would be an issue.
El Fuerte is already a luchador, why does he need to be a food luchador? That's gimmicky as hell. Most people hate his playstyle though from what I hear. Rufus is just fucking stupid. Agree with you on the rest.
Hours Left
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Yep. I love his very streamlined look. Lots of subtle details. And he fills the role of the "new hunk" very well.
I love me some wacky designs too. As I said, variety is super important, for fighting games in particular, but a nice classically designed character should never be ignored. (I think he has the most interesting backstory too of all the new characters.) Thankfully Capcom seems to like him and he has a decent sized fanbase. I feel like he'll be a staple of the series from now on.
BronsonLee
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Because Mexicans love food, which is another stereotype. I don't see how the issue. It's like asking, "Dee Jay is a Jamaican Kickboxer, why does he need to be a breakdancing musician as well?".
I never got the dislike for Rufus. His mannerisms, animations and fighting style is hilarious. I love the belly flopping when he attacks. It's simply amazing.
Remapped88
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Probably because he could've been this guy named King Kobra:
I personally thought he would've been a really cool SF character and it sucks that he got axed in the end. With a name like King Kobra, I bet he would've have a really quick and cool fighting style with a lot rapid hits kinda like how Rufus has now. Dude also had a unique looking gi and he just looks like he has a pretty cool personality too. I'm pretty sure that he would've been Ken rival too since Rufus was......also since his costume made it into 1 of Ken's alternates.
Abel is cool in terms of design but him having the exact same story as Cammy (another former Shadaloo experiment with amnesia) is just boring.
Hakan and Juri are cool. The rest are lame all for different reasons. Gouken was extra lame though. I'm getting real tired of them retconning Akuma's victims
Hakan and Juri are cool. The rest are lame all for different reasons. Gouken was extra lame though. I'm getting real tired of them retconning Akuma's victims
Arc Christelle
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EXACTLY!!!! When they retconned Gouken's death, I instantly lost respect and interest in Street Fighter's storyline.
To make it worse when they started talking about this good and evil shit instead of what it means to be warrior from each fighter's perspective. Ugh.
Abel is a horrible design. He's the laziest and therefore worst design ever for a Street Fighter game. White guy in a gi, with literally zero personality. He belongs in the trash.
Hakan is cool from a gameplay perspective, I just really wish they would've made him look like a human instead of whatever alien-monster thing he is. A persian/arab oil wrestler is a fantastic concept. An alien who is an oil wrestler is.. a half fantastic concept.
Juri is ok, which by definition makes her the 2nd best character introduced in SF4 after Viper.
What culture doesn't love food? I don't think that's a Mexican stereotype at all. Fuerte is horrible and not because he's a stereotype, As for DeeJay, there would be more complaints about how stupid a character he is, except: 1. Nobody plays DeeJay (which kind of proves that the character isn't liked) and 2. It's hard enough to find black characters in videogames, no real point in being vocal about how dumb the ones we do get are.
Dancing figures into Dee Jay's fighting style in a cool way. Cooking lucha libre is stupid. Rufus isn't funny, he's offensively dumb almost. And I'd be amazed by the belly physics if it was still 2008.
Beelzebufo
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Oooh, we're ranking the newcomers?
C. Viper is definitely one of my favorites. She doesn't really "feel" like a Street Fighter character (her gameplay helps) but she's a really solid female character and "antagonist" of sorts. I like that she has a kid, I like that she's one of the chillest characters on the roster, and I like her moveset. Hope she comes back.
I doubt we'll ever see El Fuerte again, but he's great too. Definitely in line with the old SF2 character designs, and his moveset is really fun. I can see why people wouldn't like him though, his voice is annoying and he's always talking.
Abel is pretty forgettable, but in an inoffensive way. I liked his accent, and he was fun to play as! I wouldn't mind if he continued to show up, but he's fine. Never seemed like a major player in the story line or in the competitive community though, and never stood out on design alone.
Rufus annoys me, but he's also great in a way. I think I enjoyed him a lot more once I found out about that rejected "King Cobra" design. They had that and they threw it out for Rufus, gave him the most annoying voice, and made him a great character so everyone was using him for a while lol. It's great!
Hakan is one of my favorites as well, he makes no sense (it's like a Japanese play on words or something?) but he's hilarious and really run to play as. We'll never see him again except in backgrounds, but what a great character.
Seth is the bomb, even though I never expect to see him again. He's a smug son of a bitch, and he used to be incredible to watch when played well. You get dizzy so fast, and then he just keeps laughing at you. I guess his design is kinda boring but who cares?
I really dislike Juri. I never got over how she looks like a rejected Power Rangers villain, I don't think she's particularly fun to play as, and she's over-the-top in all the wrong ways. I'd love to have her never come back, but it seems a lot of people disagree
I almost forgot to include Gouken lol. He sucks. Does anyone like Gouken? I can't imagine anyone choosing to main him or anything like that. I always forget he exists and when I remember I'm just kind of annoyed. I hope he stays away.
I stopped playing a little after AE (the balance messed up all my favorites ), so I can't really comment on Oni, Poison, or Decapre. I'll probably get Ultra on PS4 though. If I could pick two SF4 newcomers to return in SF5, it would be C. Viper and a revamped El Fuerte. Now that he's older he could have a cool Danny Trejo vibe.
C. Viper is definitely one of my favorites. She doesn't really "feel" like a Street Fighter character (her gameplay helps) but she's a really solid female character and "antagonist" of sorts. I like that she has a kid, I like that she's one of the chillest characters on the roster, and I like her moveset. Hope she comes back.
I doubt we'll ever see El Fuerte again, but he's great too. Definitely in line with the old SF2 character designs, and his moveset is really fun. I can see why people wouldn't like him though, his voice is annoying and he's always talking.
Abel is pretty forgettable, but in an inoffensive way. I liked his accent, and he was fun to play as! I wouldn't mind if he continued to show up, but he's fine. Never seemed like a major player in the story line or in the competitive community though, and never stood out on design alone.
Rufus annoys me, but he's also great in a way. I think I enjoyed him a lot more once I found out about that rejected "King Cobra" design. They had that and they threw it out for Rufus, gave him the most annoying voice, and made him a great character so everyone was using him for a while lol. It's great!
Hakan is one of my favorites as well, he makes no sense (it's like a Japanese play on words or something?) but he's hilarious and really run to play as. We'll never see him again except in backgrounds, but what a great character.
Seth is the bomb, even though I never expect to see him again. He's a smug son of a bitch, and he used to be incredible to watch when played well. You get dizzy so fast, and then he just keeps laughing at you. I guess his design is kinda boring but who cares?
I really dislike Juri. I never got over how she looks like a rejected Power Rangers villain, I don't think she's particularly fun to play as, and she's over-the-top in all the wrong ways. I'd love to have her never come back, but it seems a lot of people disagree
I almost forgot to include Gouken lol. He sucks. Does anyone like Gouken? I can't imagine anyone choosing to main him or anything like that. I always forget he exists and when I remember I'm just kind of annoyed. I hope he stays away.
I stopped playing a little after AE (the balance messed up all my favorites
), so I can't really comment on Oni, Poison, or Decapre. I'll probably get Ultra on PS4 though. If I could pick two SF4 newcomers to return in SF5, it would be C. Viper and a revamped El Fuerte. Now that he's older he could have a cool Danny Trejo vibe.
Troubled Bat
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All this hate for Abel. Lol
I actually love playing as him, he has a pretty great moveset and sure his design is pretty bland. I mean, I won't lie, if Abel had his original design then I would have loved the character a lot more.
I actually love playing as him, he has a pretty great moveset and sure his design is pretty bland. I mean, I won't lie, if Abel had his original design then I would have loved the character a lot more.
stn
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Yeah, Dee-Jay is supposed to be this cocky/confident kick-boxer who incorporates rhythm into his technique. In fact, SF4 made him a bit more "clownish". I really liked how he was portrayed in SF2 and Alpha 3.
But yeah, El Fuerte and Rufus are just shit. El Fuerte is too much of an exaggeration for me to take seriously, plus his playstyle is stupid and detracts from fundamental Street Fighter. Rufus just looks dumb and is probably an indirect jab at the world's stereotypical view of the "obese American".
I like Street Fighter when its mostly gritty but has its share of humor. I found to SF4 to be all humor with its share of grit. I want something that's more like SF3: cool, serious, but FULL of style.