That didn't bother me really. The fake ass crying by Hamm did :lol They should have tried a few more takes to get that just right because while the emotion was there, the physical side of it just wasn't (him holding his head down at a 90degree angle helped to hide it though).gdt5016 said:
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Mad Men - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC
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brianjones
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LaneDS said:
maybe he was drinking absinthe
honestly ive never liked the ghost/apparition plot device in shows and movies. i don't get them. they just feel too much for the audience and not something relatable on any level.
would have been better if he just had a real dream about her or something
Mr_Appleby
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that was a great episode. such effective writing, acting, direction. wth it's been discussed enough. simply excellent.
LM4sure said:
wow i don't know how you got nothing happened in "The Fly".
It was a meticulous build up to a very specific detail about what was going on, but it revealed a ton about the characters Walt and Jesse. If anything, it was one of the stronger character episodes.
And I have plenty of problems with Breaking Bad and the characterizations at times, but Fly was preeetty good
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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How do you like Mad Men but didn't get how incredibly important and good The Fly was?LM4sure said:
brianjones
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i would have thought mad men fans would appreciate an episode like the fly more than anyone.
edit: what he said :lol
he dreamed he saw a ghostly apparition of her? not sure why that would be any better
edit: what he said :lol
Burger said:
he dreamed he saw a ghostly apparition of her? not sure why that would be any better
dave is ok
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'Fly' is the most divisive episode ever. The BB thread was hilarious when it aired
dave is ok
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Neither of them are really worrisome - they carry their shows well, but they aren't on actually good shows.Raxus said:
brianjones
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it's kinda funny how nonexistant bettys been this season.. i almost forgot about her until the preview for next episode
petethepanda
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I don't think Don seeing Anna was meant to be taken as some sort of ghost walking in. I figured we were just seeing what's going on in Don's head for a minute. Were we supposed to think we were actually seeing Child Dick and his family chilling in Present Don's kitchen a while back? :lol
Anyway, amazing episode. Overall s4 has been better than s3, but this episode is perhaps the best of the series. I was literally smiling for hours after it ended.
Edit: In the last episode with Betty, she was coming off as a flat-out cartoon villain for the first half of it. I get what they're doing with her and Sally, but it's getting a bit too out there for me.
Anyway, amazing episode. Overall s4 has been better than s3, but this episode is perhaps the best of the series. I was literally smiling for hours after it ended.
Edit: In the last episode with Betty, she was coming off as a flat-out cartoon villain for the first half of it. I get what they're doing with her and Sally, but it's getting a bit too out there for me.
JzeroT1437
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Raxus said:
Betty's a kid herself. She's coming back, but she'll definitely be less of a focus as she's not don's wife anymore.
brianjones
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petethepanda said:
i didnt like that line about her wanting don "dead".. that seemed a little over the top.
petethepanda said:
Yeah I don't think we were meant to take it as some sort of spirit that would get the atheists all riled up like they do. He was drunk, thinking of her dying and Samsonite, and saw her carrying a Samsonite suitcase.
The incongruity I guess was when he was drunk and drugged by those grifters and saw a completely opaque vision of his dad. I have zero problems with it.
brianjones said:
For better or worse, the Betty character is a child. So saying things like "I want you dead" is completely in character. There's just nothing left to do with her. The marriage is over, Don is a weekend dad, and she's a minor character now.
Man, another bunch of pages about why show "X" is better than show "Y" and mentioning show "Z" is sacrilege. Who cares about this arbitrary filing order? And who cares if this, that, or such and such wins an Emmy. That stuff is a year away and it affects you not.
I turned off that episode of Mad Men and I just sat for a few moments and let it absorb. I get the feeling a lot of people go grab a bunch of signs to champion their favorite write/director/actor/show to the nonbelievers and then want to offer nothing else.
Does anyone just watch and enjoy these stories on their own merits without worrying about all the ranking, hierarchy, and possible acknowledgements? I'm not trying to rile anyone up specifically but the bickering and random, often disconnected comparisons to other shows is a bizarre reflex for just simply letting us know you might have enjoyed the past 45 minutes. It's literally started to become the only thing people want to talk about every week. Most of the time thoughtful comparisons don't surface, and more often than not it ends up being a 'my favorite show is better than yours'. I don't even post in here that much but I feel like it's the majority of what I read shortly after an episode airs.
I'm sure I'll get shit for this but to me claiming such absolutes on the various examples of 'Excellent Fucking Show' is silly.
I turned off that episode of Mad Men and I just sat for a few moments and let it absorb. I get the feeling a lot of people go grab a bunch of signs to champion their favorite write/director/actor/show to the nonbelievers and then want to offer nothing else.
Does anyone just watch and enjoy these stories on their own merits without worrying about all the ranking, hierarchy, and possible acknowledgements? I'm not trying to rile anyone up specifically but the bickering and random, often disconnected comparisons to other shows is a bizarre reflex for just simply letting us know you might have enjoyed the past 45 minutes. It's literally started to become the only thing people want to talk about every week. Most of the time thoughtful comparisons don't surface, and more often than not it ends up being a 'my favorite show is better than yours'. I don't even post in here that much but I feel like it's the majority of what I read shortly after an episode airs.
I'm sure I'll get shit for this but to me claiming such absolutes on the various examples of 'Excellent Fucking Show' is silly.
Best episode of tv ever? I don't know about that. It's fucking good and maybe a contender but I can't give it that title without knowing how it plays in the context of the rest of the series. It was a goddamn great episode that tugged my emotions every which way but let's not spoil it with hyperbole.
i_am_ben said:
Yeah she quickly became irrelevant to the show's major points in this season. If the season has felt slightly off in any way it's that Don Draper's family doesn't exist when we/him don't see them. There's loose ends there, and maybe it'll wrap back around in some capacity with the second half of the season, but it does seem lopsided with the office life. But the most entertaining stuff is what happens with the office life, so it's still good viewing.
Is it also strange people made a big deal about the actress who plays Sally getting a title credit but she's maybe had like 10 minutes of screen time in the 7 episodes so far? Is this politics or something? I imagine she'll be coming back into the season more in the next coming episodes but it's glaring how many names flash in the the intro now.
CajoleJuice
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I wasn't a huge fan of ghost/hallucination Anna.
Good thing the rest of the episode was motherfucking perfect.
Good thing the rest of the episode was motherfucking perfect.
Net_Wrecker
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dave is ok said:
I still think Fly is the best Breaking Bad episode so far. I absolutely loved it.
Also, yeah, The Suitcase was amazing. Don blowing up during the argument was PERFECTLY done. Tremendous acting.
Mr. Pointy
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I think 'The Suitcase' will be judged to be the exact point in history where TV made film its bitch.
While I'm a huge fan of this episode like many here, i think some of the talk about how this was the episode that changed everything is a bit of an exaggeration.
personally, I think movies got their butts handed to them by serialized TV back when The Sopranos was blazing its trail a decade ago.
And then it happened again with The Wire.
Mad Men is just the latest example to show us what man of us should have already known. Well made serialized TV is capable of much more subtlety and character-based tension than nearly any movie.
It has the benefit of allowing us to spend years with characters, not just a couple hours.
personally, I think movies got their butts handed to them by serialized TV back when The Sopranos was blazing its trail a decade ago.
And then it happened again with The Wire.
Mad Men is just the latest example to show us what man of us should have already known. Well made serialized TV is capable of much more subtlety and character-based tension than nearly any movie.
It has the benefit of allowing us to spend years with characters, not just a couple hours.
SenorDingDong
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Mr. Pointy said:
That would actually be the 2nd of June, 2002.
The first episode of the Wire
Edit: Ah, already mentioned.
water_wendi
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The ghost scene can be seen as a dream. Dreams usually incorporate things people have been thinking about. Anna appeared as a ghost holding a suitcase (Annas death which he knew from the memo and the Samsonite problem were on the front of his mind) so it really doesnt have to be taken as supernatural.LaneDS said:
Man Men is so far ahead of every other tv drama its not even funny.
sixteen-bit
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Mad Men is the only television show I watch, but I can totally believe this statementwater_wendi said:
Cornballer
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petecampbellshrug.giftabsina said:
EVERY OCCASION
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_dementia said:
We need a couple of these over pics of Don.
One with a serious, completely on-point Don, and one from the Life cereal pitch. :lol
VeryGooster
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Is there like one centered storage space for all these Mad Men GIFs? :lol
Cornballer
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for some reason i loathe joeyCornballer said:
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