Eteric Rice
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Maddox - "Spider-Woman's Big Ass is a Big Deal!"
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DarkHeartedKill
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One thing, he says over 47% of readers are female but the picture says 46.67% are. Whut?
Probably missed something, but I just found that bit funny.
I still don't see the big deal with this, there's nothing wrong with appreciating something like this. You can't limit a persons creative mind just because you disagree with what they draw. Art is a type of expression, so why do so many people choose to crap all over a persons freedom of expression?
Probably missed something, but I just found that bit funny.
I still don't see the big deal with this, there's nothing wrong with appreciating something like this. You can't limit a persons creative mind just because you disagree with what they draw. Art is a type of expression, so why do so many people choose to crap all over a persons freedom of expression?
I think the art would be fine if not for the super-clingy buttcrack.
Looks like the only thing wrong is the angle of the head. The rest only looks bad because it's badly modeled with clipping everywhere.
Edit: actually the neck looks pretty badly modeled too.
It's not just the sexual aspect too, it's impossible anatomy that's just gross. Speaking of which:
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Looks like the only thing wrong is the angle of the head. The rest only looks bad because it's badly modeled with clipping everywhere.
Edit: actually the neck looks pretty badly modeled too.
Intheflorsh
Banned
The thing about that study he sited is that it's based on Facebook likes instead of an actual reader survey. It doesn't take into account who is actually spending money on comics.
When the Neilsen Company conducted a survey about who was reading the New 52 in 2012 they found that 93% of readers were males.
Sibersk Esto
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There was nothing "sexist" about those covers
neogaffer1
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What I'm trying to get at is that in modern media, when there's a young attractive woman it's not surprising to see that person sexualized in some way (see some of the Elle covers in the video for example.) It's the same thing with 20-something men with chiseled abs. However, in most media if the person is "different" in some way (being disabled for one) the media doesn't really go and try to make them appear as sexy or oversexualize them. So when comic books sexualize female characters, there's still the excuse that magazines and hollywood and basically everything else sexualizes women (and men) of that age and physiology. With a disabled person, DC is basically saying "we're not sexualizing because other people do it and it's a normal thing, we're doing it to raise sex appeal." At least, that's how I view it. I'm sorry if I offended some people.
xemumanic
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I hated that Maddox dude and his stupid page back in the day, but he's totally right about this.
Savitar hit the nail on the head with Nightwing, killing anaron's point about power fantasies, who then goes to further prove Savitar right without a shadow of a doubt by bringing up Namor.
In the end, this is all stupid whining.
Savitar hit the nail on the head with Nightwing, killing anaron's point about power fantasies, who then goes to further prove Savitar right without a shadow of a doubt by bringing up Namor.
In the end, this is all stupid whining.
evil solrac v3.0
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why don't you let women decide if they are offended by the cover?
it's Milo Manara, he doesn't trace anything.
no tracing!
there is no tracing going on in that cover! it is Milo Manara! and oddly enough the regular featuring art by Greg Land, a dude that actually does trace, (nothing wrong with that by the way, it is a legitimate tool in the artist toolbox) is hardly sexual. although there is nothing wrong with something being sexualized. big deal.
Afaik is spiderwoman not much of a character. She was created so someone could keep a copyright. She didnt get popular by being an icon for women in comics like wonder woman but by wearing a skintight suit.
So despite a female protagonist this one probably makes sense to be male focused.
It is detracting in the sense that I don't get to see a spider woman cover drawn by Manara. If that's worth losing female readers is probably up for marvel to decide, but I'd wager that the stuff that's inside the comic won't be very appealing to women either.
plasmawave
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I knew Bill O'Reilly was a vagina.
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The Everyman
what's wrong with sexualizing a handicapped character?
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Deleted member 13876
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Probably conflated with Land being on the book.
http://www.newsarama.com/14637-the-full-nielsen-dc-s-complete-new-52-consumer-survey.html
Here's the Nielsen survey. 93% male for in-store purchases (although a small sample size), with 77% male for online purchases.
This is rich coming from you are anyone else who would try to use this tactic. Sexualization is subjective in general. But please point out the covers with Spiderwoman not bound that you consider sexualized. I saw a less than a handful but I would like you to show how those covers are also established in other media.
SillyEskimo
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I agree with Maddox.
neogaffer1
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Well, that's just for one series - other series might be more attractive to different demographics.
I don't want to derail the thread (so maybe I shouldn't have brought it up) but I generally agree, at least on a one by one basis... Except for how they made it into a gimmick and the way it was applied across the line. If it was just one random Catwoman or Wonder Woman cover I wouldn't have even taken a second look.
Ya, I was simply linking the study for reference. I would certainly expect DC to lean more heavily male than Marvel, for instance.
Now that is an objective argument. Since the question is about whether or not the books are alienating is a different thing when looking at the entire franchise system. Considering that comic fans is still split equally along gender lines it begs the question what women find appealing about everything else because aside from the cartoons the comic franchise doesn't seem to be catering as much to women considering the way Gamorah was cut or how Wonder Woman can't still get a movie.
Why do you think women don't read comic books compared to every other form of written media?
The Shogun
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I've found this whole controversy a little strange. I find nothing wrong necessarily with showing sexualized characters in any medium. For either sex. There should be beautiful men and women for people to enjoy in art and entertainment.
I guess I just don't see why showing a sexualized version of Spider Woman is wrong in any way. Same thing if there is a sexualized male Spider Man it would be great. The human body can be very aesthetically pleasing.
It just seems from some of the reactions that it is morally wrong to show a sexualized fictional character. Thats strange to me and if anything it seems to have an undercurrent of suppressing our own sexuality in general.
I guess I just don't see why showing a sexualized version of Spider Woman is wrong in any way. Same thing if there is a sexualized male Spider Man it would be great. The human body can be very aesthetically pleasing.
It just seems from some of the reactions that it is morally wrong to show a sexualized fictional character. Thats strange to me and if anything it seems to have an undercurrent of suppressing our own sexuality in general.
Beerman462
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Good video. I see this image and I think female Spider-Man. Spider-Man is a human spider. He crawls and slinks around. Maybe the people with the problem are the ones that see this picture and immediately think. "She's ready to be mounted"
It's not intentionally stylized. The artist is drawing to draw the character in a way that lets us see her thighs and butt. In real life, that's a hard angle to find.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
There are spiders that can do that actually.
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To quote this again. I just realized I'm completely mindfucked now. Watched Mulholland Drive for the first time today, was briefly wondering if the same actress from Inland Empire was in it. Then blanked on her name and was frustrated I only remembered it was Laura something. Now I google Laura Dern and realize that's her.
On topic: Spider-Woman y'all.
Your right, I was mistaking him for Greg Land who is the artist for the book.
Bringing up two exceptions to the rule doesn't prove anything but that the rule is in place.
Superhero comics has been and still is a Boys Club, largely made for and by men. It's better than it was, but tonedeaf stuff like this shows comics still have a long way to go.
BrokenEchelon
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Praise Maddox.
Holy shit. It literally just gets better and better.
Holy shit. It literally just gets better and better.
Sickboy007
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I think the problem is that in general, people with disabilities are underrepresented in the media. Or they're just cast as victims, because regrettably some feel people are uncomfortable when it comes to the sexuality of disabled people. If anything, DC should be lauded for having an important character on a wheelchair and treating her like the rest of the cast, having romantic relationships etc.
terrible writing.
neogaffer1
Banned
Fair enough.
Intheflorsh
Banned
Are we really going to pretend that a busty woman running around in a skin tight suit isn't designed to titillate? Your standards for what counts as sexualized must be pretty strict.
Even Maddox acknowledges the cover is sexualized, his point is that people shouldn't care.
BrokenEchelon
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I seriously can't deal with how much truth he dropped and how eloquently it happened. I'm euphoric.
Beerman462
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Ok, so I Googled Milo Manara and all the images are smutty comics. I'm guessing that's what he's known for? If that's the case, Marvel knew what they were getting into. I'm not saying smutty comics are bad or that this particular cover is anymore offensive for it. I mean, I didn't know anything about the guy and the cover didn't really come across as sexualized to me.
Intheflorsh
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Zen_Arcade
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Women love Twilight. I think they're OK with terrible writing.
There's a whole lot of assumptions and taking things for granted on, well, pretty much everything being brought up here. Do we actually know that a significant chunk of the female demographic feels repulsed by sexualized depictions of characters in comics, or any other form of media? Is there any actual research done on this stuff?
Again, we are all raised to percieve the female form as something inherently aesthetically pleasing. There's nothing to suggest that these values perpetuated by society discriminate between genders and exclusively affect the male half, as if women were living in some sort of cultural vacuum.
Again, we are all raised to percieve the female form as something inherently aesthetically pleasing. There's nothing to suggest that these values perpetuated by society discriminate between genders and exclusively affect the male half, as if women were living in some sort of cultural vacuum.
BrokenEchelon
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It was purposeful.
The Shogun
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cracks.....hmm I see what you did there lol
Skin tight suits aren't common for super heros and villains now?
Yeah I took note of that. While I barely read comics (like 5 total) I have been exposed to comic art and even growing up I certainly found them erotic but that's because I'm attracted to women. The men are dressed similarly but since they are guys I'm wasn't going to get hot and bothered by them as I was going through puberty.
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