ttocs
Member
I doubt it will happen. If the original backlash towards MS didn't occur then you'd definitely see it but not now. They are trying to save face as much as they can.
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Major Nelson: Both PS4/Xbox One will "sell a ton", online hate "needs to go away"
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I doubt it will happen. If the original backlash towards MS didn't occur then you'd definitely see it but not now. They are trying to save face as much as they can.
SlowRevolution
Member
He's not wrong, but MS completely brought the hate on themselves. Once you dig your own grave you need to be ready to lie in it for a while, it happened with Sony and the PS3 and now it's happening to them. They've made good decisions since but it's going to take people a while to look past how hard they tried to fuck consumers. Right now MS and Major Nelson should just be happy their system is selling well, they're not in a position to tell people to stop with the hate.
What's the difference?
That is the power we have as a consumer, do not buy the product
Chobel
Member
Was he wrong? what did I miss?
fastford58
Member
The problem with MN is that I can't picture him as a gamer. I just can't relate to the guy.
All I see is a corporate sock-puppet.
All I see is a corporate sock-puppet.
Last point from me on this, you can't say "fuck the consumer" like Microsoft and Nelson did during xbone rollout and then turn around only a few months later and say that you should remain in the market for purposes of consumer choice. It makes you look weak, stupid, and like a bunch of liars.
Consumer choice meant fuck all to them 6 months ago and now they want to use it as a crutch. Not buying it. It took Sony years to recover, I suspect it will take MS the same or longer given their current attitude. No shame or humility in that company.
Consumer choice meant fuck all to them 6 months ago and now they want to use it as a crutch. Not buying it. It took Sony years to recover, I suspect it will take MS the same or longer given their current attitude. No shame or humility in that company.
Version 3.0
Member
"Hate" is too strong a word, but they brought any and all backlash on themselves. I get that they're trying to fix it...more or less...but it takes time to earn back trust.
And that.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
He's only saying this now that Microsoft are on the back foot and..
exactly this.
Take a moment and think about what lost preorders means and where that comes from and the answer should become pretty obvious.
Natureboy99
Banned
That's what I was thinking. I don't hate xbo, it just does nothing for me on the games front. To me, there was no choice.
to be fair, he does play quite a bit of BF4.
yankeehater
Member
Maybe listen to his podcast then. He spends a bunch of time every week talking about what games he is playing.
TatteredHat
Member
Define "hate", there are plenty of valid criticisms towards the xbone to be found online as well.
FalsettoVibe
Member
I totally agree.
ttocs
Member
This was always my problem too. He looks like some guys uncle who is trying to relate to the "kids" by playing them there vidya games. I wish he would just play the role of the corporate guy and give us info without trying too hard.
Well Nintendo seems to at least recognize they aren't doing so hot. We may still see a slight turn around with them.
In a statement released today, Dodge said:
Both companies are off to a great start, We all should be celebrating a healthy vibrant industry. Ford has done a good job and they should be commended. The hate that infects cars in the online space needs to go away
Ford will sell a ton, we will sell a ton. The industry is doing well...and consumers have choice."
This echoes recent comments to CarMAG made by Mr. McDodge who said of Ford that he:
"really respects their focus on investing in new things and creative things". McDodge also had praise for Chevy, observing that "their Camaro is such an amazing asset."
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The above is something you will never see happen. Such a weird PR statement rom Ms but what else is new.
Both companies are off to a great start, We all should be celebrating a healthy vibrant industry. Ford has done a good job and they should be commended. The hate that infects cars in the online space needs to go away
Ford will sell a ton, we will sell a ton. The industry is doing well...and consumers have choice."
This echoes recent comments to CarMAG made by Mr. McDodge who said of Ford that he:
"really respects their focus on investing in new things and creative things". McDodge also had praise for Chevy, observing that "their Camaro is such an amazing asset."
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The above is something you will never see happen. Such a weird PR statement rom Ms but what else is new.
Chobel
Member
OK, but what he meant is MS could have listened to consumers not because they cared about criticisms but because they forced to. You can listen and address people criticisms and not wait for for the backlash to do something.
Clearly beating a woman is comparable to considering implementing DRM.
I sure hope so.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Love this, thread starts with pretty much yeah he's right to they deserve the hate.
Seriously, the point is that both consoles selling well is best for the industry.
If you want to see anti-consumer, imagine a world with just one console... Sony wanted to do what MS was planning to do before the 180 as well.
Seriously, the point is that both consoles selling well is best for the industry.
If you want to see anti-consumer, imagine a world with just one console... Sony wanted to do what MS was planning to do before the 180 as well.
MS is not patting Sonys back because they like them. They don't even applaud them. They are just trying to get within Sony's positive momentum by telling people "hey we are all the same". It's very subliminal. It's a communication tactic. It's not real.
WrenchNinja
Member
Prove it
I completely disagree that we should be happy that any console a company puts out should succeed. Why should we want a product we feel is sub-par, a poor design philosophy, weak hardware, bad price point, etc. should succeed? I don't want MS, Sony, OR Nintendo to just crap out a system I don't like and have it succeed solely because it exists. If it does not jive with what I feel are important design principles, I want it to fail, so they re-think their approach and deliver a product that I want. It may be considered selfish, but I'm not gonna support something I feel takes my hobby in a direction I don't want it to go.
RedNumberFive
Banned
I was wondering how long it would be until we got a "Sony too" comment.
CambriaRising
Member
Critical thinking may help your understanding.
The difference is that there was plenty of backlash to the DRM before the system was even announced officially, after it was announced officially, and after E3. There was almost 6 months of forum posts, twitter conversations, and articles decrying the possibility of the DRM before it was even unveiled. So either they are tone deaf or they didn't give a shit until it started potentially costing them money.
spookyfish
Gold Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8
And I also tend to think this is the motive. But I'm an ass, so ...
And I also tend to think this is the motive. But I'm an ass, so ...
shinobi602
Member
They reversed their ridiculous policies. Console's all good to me now.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Begging for a tag quote.
andromeduck
Member
if they don't want the hate maybe they should try toning down the bullshit
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Yup.. both doing great. No matter how much people on the netz kept crying out that nobody would buy an X1, they are. They don't even need to drop the price like everyone was saying. They're doing great.
So is Sony. It's going to be a great, probably the best generation of gaming of them all.
So is Sony. It's going to be a great, probably the best generation of gaming of them all.
Chobel
Member
SlowRevolution
Member
First off, lol at the ridiculous "Sony was going to do it too" garbage still going on.
This post sums up the "both consoles need to sell well" argument pretty well:
ttocs
Member
Oh, damn...that's not going to end well.
BrokenIcarus
Member
Wrong!
http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/08/sony-didnt-consider-always-online-for-ps4-yoshida-says/
I hate these "Sony too" comments
spookyfish
Gold Member
People should have to seriously source that, or it needs to go away.
This is the same as "But XBone was going to let me and 10 friends share games with no restrictions!!!!!!"
Ingueferroque
Banned
Some truth to this, this is just a carefully filtered PR message, attaching Xbox One to the positive wave PS4 is riding.
It's not all hate, it's mostly criticism.
That post was made a while ago. I doubt they'd dare do that now given what everyone now knows is factual.
Goodacre0081
Member
what a Major
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nice guy