One of those isn't a home video game console and I'm not forced to use that particular UI.
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Xbox One sells one million+ (sell through to consumers) in all territories worldwide
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One of those isn't a home video game console and I'm not forced to use that particular UI.
LiquidSolid
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Um what? Why do you think Microsoft released this news in the first place? It wasn't to placate fanboys. Install bases sure as hell matter.
bitcloudrzr
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Steam doesn't fully manage the system, I'm not sure what answer you are looking for though cause comparing the front page snapshots doesn't give you the whole idea of what each UI can do.
Outside of the live stuff, I actually still prefer Vita. Vita is so fast and easy to use all the time, and I love the way they set up their game tabs.
Vita is such the best gaming dedicated handheld ever
Escape Goat
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Is one million a lot? I have to know if I should apologize to Nintenbots or not.
LiquidSolid
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I forgot to add this to my other post but fair enough. The thing I'm more concerned about is if their install base shrinks, it'd be more ammo for the shareholders that want to get rid of the Xbox division.
Outside of the live stuff, I actually still prefer Vita. Vita is so fast and easy to use all the time, and I love the way they set up their game tabs.
Vita is such the best gaming dedicated handheld ever
I'm just not into handheld gaming much anymore. I'm tempted to purchase one to use with the new streaming features, I just know that I'm not going to use the damn thing otherwise.
I am surprised to hear people liking the interface on it that much. I just haven't heard much about the Vita prior to this launch.
BruceLeeRoy
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Outside of the live stuff, I actually still prefer Vita. Vita is so fast and easy to use all the time, and I love the way they set up their game tabs.
Vita is such the best gaming dedicated handheld ever
The double tap on Vita makes it the best UI I have ever used. I loooove that so much and I don't know why you can't do it on PS4.
It could still shrink, definitely. Right now everything points to having another generation with two consoles who can hold their own from information prior to and post launch.
Let's put it this way: in one day and across less territories, the PS4+XB1 sold as much as the Wii U did in 1-1.5 months.
Matt Smith
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Went to PC World/Currys today and they had five Xbox One boxes on the shelf next to three PS3s and two Wii U's.
Not sure if they were display boxes or they did in fact have stock? didn't ask.
Not sure if they were display boxes or they did in fact have stock? didn't ask.
bitcloudrzr
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We still don't really know that, specifically sales split for the XB1.
The Maverick
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If Xbox loses North America, even slightly, prepare for it to get ugly fast. The numbers right now may not be too significant, but once spring hits, it's going to be clear where both platform holders stand. I can't even feel bad for Nintendo in the sales race.
theytookourjobz
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Spring could be huge for MS because of Titanfall though.
Nintendo is just rather nearsighted when it comes to their console hardware, it's been that way for a while now.
My favorite thread was the "My girlfriend asked why this wouldn't work on her Wii", because that is terribly true when it comes to the masses.
We "really" don't know either, but the early data surely doesn't point towards "Sell your XB1, it's all over".
Fuck. Even that reference makes me feel old.
Pay $500 to play Titanfall when you can play on on your 360, why? Especially considering it's likely to be sub-1080p and thus not much of a visual upgrade from the 360 version. I think it will be a good game but not a Xbone system seller.
Likely 7:3 (NA:rest) judging by gamestop's fiscal report.
The masses aren't even remotely coming into a store to purchase games with that mindset.
That being said, Titanfall is still the closest thing to a "system seller" that we will have for a while. The immediate future looks rather bleak for both consoles. What's the only other title? Is that Infamous game coming out March as well still?
bitcloudrzr
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Most likely will hit over 2:1 WW as the gen goes on, but yes it is not doom and gloom.
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Infamous and Titanfall in March and The Order and Halo probably in November. Quantum Break and Uncharted could also be 2014. There's also Driveclub releasing sometime in early 2014.
There are also a slew of next gen games which won't have PS3/360 versions like The Witcher 3 and The Division which will move consoles. And I think even the cross gen stuff like Destiny will have a big impact.
There will more than likely be far more differences between the Xbox 360 and Xbox One version of Titanfall than just visual improvements.
Based on the hype, it will definitely be a system seller -- regardless of it being on the Xbox 360.
I mean, Fight Night 3 for example was on the PS2 & original Xbox but that didn't stop the game from being a huge reason why many people got an Xbox 360.
Titanfall will definitely sell systems based on the hype alone. There's already a popular suggestion on many tech/game sites to "not/(don't) buy an Xbox One yet -- wait for Titanfall". How much of a system seller it will be though is obviously yet to be determined.
cyberheater
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I went to my local GAME. They still have a few Xbox One's but only in forced bundles. Such a shit company.
That's understandable, I'm not criticizing it or anything. But that UI really works perfectly for a handheld, it's why I was pretty excited to see what they were doing on PS4 because to me Vita said they "get it." It's why even though there are rough patches on PS4 UI early on, which I expected, I think it has a good chance to become something amazing (especially with the PS Live stuff, which obviously Vita does not have).
I thought the Xbox One UI was OK, but that's my opinion because I will never utilize the finicky voice commands. I am judging the UI as an interface for use with a controller, and in that sense, it's kind of mediocre.
Maybe it's better with voice, but since when my friend was doing it the commands didn't recognize 1 out of every 4 times, it wasn't worth the hassle. I'd end up breaking my Xbox One within the hour if I had to deal with that shit.
Oh god yes. I am going back to play Tearaway now, almost my GOTY if it wasn't for Antichamber.*
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until I start playing Mario 3D World probably
I think PS4 will have a substantial lead when all is said and done but Xbox One will still do well. This is an impressive launch considering all the bad publicity. However I don't want to make too much of it, there is a lot of demand from the enthusiast gamers for a new device, lets see how it plays out over the long term.
Destiny should. Hard to imagine the other couple doing so, but I get your point.
The interesting thing about this generation is you are still being dictated by the CoD / Madden games. Until one of those companies abandoned the prior gen or offers an inferior product, you'll still have a ton of people holding out.
Titanfall is definitely the system mover at the moment. Not saying it's a HUGE one, but it's the obvious one, as there is no prior installed user base on the 360.
To be honest, the new Mario game is probably going to have the highest attach rate to new consoles. Which says a lot about the amount of product which is still in the hands of developers.
Yeah, I think that's the misconception. Most people who are already familiar with the Vita UI maybe are jumping on some of the new PS4 users. Like I said, I like the PS4 UI a lot so far, but it certainly hasn't been fully intuitive coming from the PS3 and Xbox 360. Took me a good couple hours to navigate around, learn the settings and placement of secondary actions. It was well worth taking the time.
I think my biggest complaint with the PS4 overall is the controller. I wish they illuminated the "Share/Options" button or maybe the outer rim of the touch pad. Buttons are small!
For the Xbox One, I really don't see myself using the voice commands at all on either console, so it should be interesting!
Katana_Strikes
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Man, NPD (if we get all the numbers (hi Creamsugar)) is going to be a blast this month. I'd really like to see that US split for XBone.
If it is indeed true that MS had a 70/30 split, Sony is going to steamroll those Europe/RoW numbers, especially if they get at least 1mill out there for launch. It would already be at least 3:1 up. I know launch isn't meaningful in the long run, but if Sony were to keep momentum going like that, MS are going to have to hurry up and do something about that price.
If it is indeed true that MS had a 70/30 split, Sony is going to steamroll those Europe/RoW numbers, especially if they get at least 1mill out there for launch. It would already be at least 3:1 up. I know launch isn't meaningful in the long run, but if Sony were to keep momentum going like that, MS are going to have to hurry up and do something about that price.
Dragonborn
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It'll be a system seller somewhat, but if the X1 is doing bad by then, it won't help as much as you think. Keeping it on 360 and PC will prevent it from a true system seller. If the X1 is in a hard place by then, the only thing that will help is a price-cut. I think a lot of you are seriously overestimating Titanfall (on X1 at least, it'll sell great on X360 though).
immortal-joe
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No joke, Titanfall will change everything, especially in the US and UK. That damn thing will have the press pushing the fuck out of it like the second coming, and many of the COD/BF/HALO fans will flock to it. I know, I know, it's also on the 360 and PC, but the marketing and word of mouth will clearly lead people to one version in particular, the one MS needs to sell.
Sony just needs to make sure they have a sizable lead by then, cause they won't have the software to compete with that (in the sales sense).
Sony just needs to make sure they have a sizable lead by then, cause they won't have the software to compete with that (in the sales sense).
If MS has a $400, no-Kinect X1 out by then, I'd agree. I don't think Titanfall will make a big impact at the current price point, though.
Joke post?
miDnIghtEr20C
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I'm glad the net is ablaze with people wanting to know what USA only numbers are again. I have a feeling Sony is going to release NPD numbers again and the USA is going to be the number 1 place to sell.
cyberheater
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Why would you want that. Surely sales parity is better for the consumer?
What do you think The Order 1866 is?
Pound_lb003
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NoirVisage
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You don't even realize Titanfall mania has been waning, the fact its an online only game, with no campaign to get your feet wet in severely limits its appeal to a large section of gamers.
No, it's not. I don't understand where this is coming from.
Competitive platforms are good for the consumer. Sales parity is completely irrelevant to the consumer. In fact, if one platform lags behind the other, it is because the consumer has decided that one platform is not actually good for them. That is how it works. The dog wags the tail.
This "competition is good" thing has grown completely into a monster. Competition is the means by which a lessor is weeded out. If a platform is weaker, it should lose. That is competition. This whole "parity is good for the consumer"/"two platforms selling well is good for the consumer" sentiment is bizarre.
What you are espousing is not capitalism or competition but instead crony capitalism in which market competitors are propped up for the sake of having market competitors.
I'd say no. Big leads make for big discounts. If MS are lagging behind in sales, they'll do everything in their power to catch up. Hardware sku's with no kinect, lower price point, moneyhatting more exclusives, giving away relevant games each month...THAT is better for the consumer.
You keep saying that. You are wrong.
If the Xbox wasn't such an aggressive step in the wrong direction, you might have a point. But it's really that bad, and supporting it is hurting the industry.
Kindle? $70 with ads, $90 without them.
Magazines / newspapers? Cheap subscriptions since it's ad driven.
Chromecast? $35 for media streaming services, no subscription.
Xbox One? $500 + $60 a year + intrusive ads.
No one should support this thing until MS makes some serious changes. If they fail to do so, another company will make another console to fill the gap. That's the free market at work. Saying people should want it to do well for the good of the industry is like saying people should buy the new SimCity to support PC gaming. A bad egg is a bad egg.
Seems unlikely it could reverse current trends. The idea of systems sellers has never really held true for mass market volume. The original Xbox could easily support 10 million plus Halo 2 sales for example.
At best it could drive a base of say 10 million (which I think is high BTW I reckon it'll be more in line with 5 to 6 million a'la Gears) which is nothing compared to the 80 million plus install you need to be really delivering with these consoles.
Just my take but there seems little evidence an online only title can drive the kind of sales growth and market change you're inferring.
The XB1 will sell enough just as the follow up to the 360 to absorb enough market to support TitanFall without troubling PS4 momentum unduly I'd reckon.
Nope.
Dragonborn
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Which is why I'd like to see Sony dominate them for a while. It'll force them to drop the price, drop kinect, or both. Not to mention, maybe they'll start releasing some actual variety in games rather than the usual Halo/Forza/Fable and now, Titanfall. I mean, what has MS done? They ran Halo into the ground with 4 (5 doesn't excite me at all, saw the E3 trailer and thought "Meh, another Halo). They ran Fable into the ground. And Forza? The newest one was a half-finished money-grabbing insult to the series. Titanfall looks good, and it'll get pushed hard, but I still believe it'll do most of it's sales on the 360.
The first true system seller MS has is Halo, and even that's iffy. Personally, Quantum Break is the only game I'm really looking forward to but I'll wait it out and see if it comes to PC eventually. Sunset Overdrive would have my attention if Insomniac hadn't devolved into an absolutely terrible development studio. Honestly, I just wish MS would be more than the stereotypical shooter box. I owned a 360 this gen, and it was my primary consoles for much of it because it had the superior versions of multiplats.
The X1 doesn't have that advantage, so I'd essentially be buying one for the exclusive, which MS seriously lacks. Maybe being behind for a while will help them improve on that, just like it did for Sony.
No one knows, but it's not like Titanfall is a visually impressive game. It's running on modified Source, I doubt there'll be much difference outside Res, and if the X1 is 720p like rumored then there won't even be much a difference anyways.
Any word on what these differences might be? Because if they're not significant I don't want to pay 500 dollars for it either.
Who buys Call of duty for the Campaign and offline play?
This "Wait for Titanfall" thing that's going around is pretty crazy. One online only FPS that's on 3 platforms is somehow going to become a big system seller for the Xbox One?
This one game is going to be out around the same time or after inFamous, MLB The Show, Planetside 2, War Thunder, Everquest Next, FF14, and Driveclub.
I don't think they should be betting it all on Titanfall unless they gave them enough money to make it Xbox One only.
This one game is going to be out around the same time or after inFamous, MLB The Show, Planetside 2, War Thunder, Everquest Next, FF14, and Driveclub.
I don't think they should be betting it all on Titanfall unless they gave them enough money to make it Xbox One only.
Don't mistake me, though: The PS4 UI currently to me is not 'as good' as the Vita UI, not really close to me. The PS4 UI has PlayStation Live, and that is legit amazing, but to me that's the one thing it really has over Vita right now. Everything else is features, but the Vita as a well designed fast UI is unparalleled for most systems. It's extremely easy to use, extremely fast, everything is obvious and usually at a single fingers swipe away. It's just to me what I want. It's not intrusive, it's not excessively visual so that it slows things down or makes things cumbersome.
I really can't praise it enough. It works. PS4 UI still has a ways to go to get there,imo.
Please explain to me why anyone should support this thing? I am being 100% sincere. The 360 was my favorite console ever, and I have been looking for someone to explain why anyone should want this thing since it was announced. All I see is an overpriced, underpowered box designed to sell you ads with basic functionality hidden behind a paywall. Why should anyone support this? Don't give me a one word answer, sell me a system.