You also don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that getting out of the car is most likely going to lead to something bad happening. Common street smarts tells you that if you are in a heated conversation with someone sitting in a car, and that person suddenly exits the car, shit is most likely going to go down.OuterWorldVoice said:
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Man punches woman into a coma over parking space
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So, a guy and a girl get into an argument over a parking space. They both are out of their cars, she attacks him, he hits her back once and unfortunately she falls badly and is in a coma.
I don't really see what the guy did wrong. I know a guy who got attacked by a woman, and he has permanent scarring on his face from her raking nails. Assuming that her assault and battery doesn't justify self-defense is moronic.
So, a guy and a girl get into an argument over a parking space. They both are out of their cars, she attacks him, he hits her back once and unfortunately she falls badly and is in a coma.
I don't really see what the guy did wrong. I know a guy who got attacked by a woman, and he has permanent scarring on his face from her raking nails. Assuming that her assault and battery doesn't justify self-defense is moronic.
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We don't know that she started anything. The person claiming that has some pretty huge reasons to lie if he himself started it.Satyamdas said:
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In high school this crazy, little chick attacked me out of jealousy (and she was never my gf) by sinking her nails into my arm. I shoved her and she went flying, she grabbed a table to try to stop from falling and it ended up falling on top of her.
I got sent to the principal's office and after he told me that he wasn't going to suspend her for attacking me and I told him that that was a stupid decision he got upset at me.
I got sent to the principal's office and after he told me that he wasn't going to suspend her for attacking me and I told him that that was a stupid decision he got upset at me.
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Shanadeus said:
You ought to work for talk radio.
Sure, I don't deny that that is a possibility. But going by his account, and his desire for video evidence to surface to exonerate him, I have no problem taking him at his word at this point. If it turns out he initiated the physical contact everything is thrown out the window and he should rot. I have seen enough instances of women thinking they are immune from counterattacks and initiating physical aggression to assume that she was incapable of instigating the punches.Ignatz Mouse said:
I didn't really see any desire for video surface to turn up. He sounded nervous and probably was, then he made a throwaway comment on how there are cameras everywhere in NY.Satyamdas said:
My guess is that he if anything is trying to get easy bonus points for wanting video footage where it's very unlikely that none exist.
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C Jones said:
Yup. My boyfriend once honked long and hard at some guy who cut us off. The guy driving actually got out of his car and started walking towards us in our car. His wife jumped out of the car to calm his ass down and get him back in their van.
When someone exits their vehicle, they're already heated. This is why I'm finding this guy's story hard to believe. In one of the stories it said he started yelling first and foremost, then she "attacked" him. Not even trying to defend her because I wouldn't start some physical shit but if he got in her face?
Also I'm just gonna be an asshole and say if he needed to strike her that hard, I expect a black eye or some bruising and scratches. Dude looks fine:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_..._punching_woman_into_coma_over_pa.html?r=news
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Satyamdas said:
I agree that women sometimes think they can cause trouble/lash out and not have consequences, but I don't take this guy at his word. I want to hear from witnesses.
Getting out of his car, and his past convictions, work against my trusting him. I also have a hard time imagining a woman attacking a guy unprovoked with enough force to cause his to act in self-defense without being provoked in that situation. She's got the ground, and has no reason to attack unless he's grabbing her/hitting her first. And if he was grabbing her first, then he's guilty in my book.
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Ignatz Mouse said:
It wouldn't surprise me if he tried to move her and she went ape.
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It's possible, but it seems less likely.
Are there witnesses?
Are there witnesses?
KingJ2002
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Some guys hop out of their cars just to yell at the other person... just to punk them.
if she started hitting him like he said... self defense should kick in. I practice krav maga and instructors tell you to make sure... regardless of male or female... to make sure your opponent is on the floor and you can go home safe... you never know... that 100 pound woman could have had a gun, knife, or whatever object to hurt the guy.
if his story holds up... she should have never provoked him into throwing a punch.
she should know better not to provoke a man into hitting her.
if she started hitting him like he said... self defense should kick in. I practice krav maga and instructors tell you to make sure... regardless of male or female... to make sure your opponent is on the floor and you can go home safe... you never know... that 100 pound woman could have had a gun, knife, or whatever object to hurt the guy.
if his story holds up... she should have never provoked him into throwing a punch.
she should know better not to provoke a man into hitting her.
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Yes but the articles don't tell the extent of what they saw. It's witnesses who wrote his license plate number down so he could be arrested.
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Shanadeus said:
Reflex. Someone hits you, you hit back: it can be an automatic response. I'm not saying it was in this case, just that it can be. In any case, physical action requires retaliation, even if that retaliation is to forcibly restrain the person and stop them from trying to attack you further.
That said, we don't know if that's what happened here: was it a single slap back (easily capable of knocking someone to the ground and hitting their head), and hence a genuine accident? Or was this guy genuinely intent on hurting the other person?
Either way, running off was a chump move: you hurt someone, you're responsible for checking to make sure they're okay (as long as it doesn't put you at further physical risk).
However:
Cereal KiIIer said:
Wait what!? COMBAT training? 12 years of martial arts training with girls and guys of all sizes and shapes tells me this: The chances of a 100lb woman doing enough damage to a guy to make him truly fearful are vanishingly small: eye gouges and groin kicking are about all she's got, both of which aren't as easy to pull off as people think.
Even highly trained girls are easily restrained by a physically more powerful opponent.
You guys watch too many movies.
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Shanadeus said:
i don't know if he's a practitioner of krav maga... i'm just saying that we shouldn't just paint him as the bad guy just because she's a woman... if he's being attacked by anyone... you are allowed to defend yourself.
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if his story is true... she punched him in the eye and hit him repeatedly before he threw a punch and had her lying on the floor. No one should just take a beating because it's a woman.
if it were another man... this fuller guy would be the next "epic beard man".
KingJ2002 said:
True, nobody should have to be assaulted but doesn't mean i'm going to do a mortal kombat x-ray move to her skull either.
Maybe if you could just like shove her to the ground or something a bit or push her out of the way. Course then she'd probably land on something and get hurt too.
Well guys can just carry mace or tazers you know..I mean I do.
"Why did he have to yank down on R2? Didn't he know R2 is a pressure button? He should have gauged his reaction"
Why don't you fools deeming the man guilty wait until all the facts come out? Whether a person has a right of self defense against a woman is a seperate conversation. Any conclusions ya'll have aren't based on all the facts.
Why don't you fools deeming the man guilty wait until all the facts come out? Whether a person has a right of self defense against a woman is a seperate conversation. Any conclusions ya'll have aren't based on all the facts.
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YoungHav said:
The people declaring him 100% justified have the same issue.
Which is why I've been repeating what I think is *likely*, not declaring him guilty. His story is sketchy-- if he can't substantiate it, he ought to go to jail.
Satyamdas said:
A punch and a gun shot are different but his point was he is incapable of controlling the amount of force used. By acknowledging the difference you are disagreeing with his premise that he would be unable to do anything beyond retaliate at full force in order to immediately "neutralize" any threat.
Also your second point seems to support the use of a gun. She opened herself up to retaliation and should suffer the consequences of being "neutralized."
As for making this about men versus women, I think if the guy got out of his car to approach someone who then lashed out it probably would have been best to retreat to the car, regardless of the sex of the attacker. The idea that the only way to react to violence is "to neutralize" the target is weird to me. Maybe I'm a wuss.
PoliceCop said:
Why? It's based on the idea that hitting people weaker than you is cowardly. Which it is. Most women, on average, are weaker than their male counterpart. It's got nothing to do with socio-economic equality. You also shouldn't hit a 100 pound man if you're 200 pounds.
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PoliceCop said:
...Did I read this wrong?
oneHeero said:
As about a million people have said, a normal dude, even a WK would have restrained or pushed her. I can guarantee you I wouldn't have punched a 100 pound woman in the face, because there are a LOT of options available to me before it gets to that point. One of them is walking away.
I can't guarantee I wouldn't have screamed at her ass. In fact i would have. If she punched me, i can't guarantee I wouldn't have pushed her or restrained her. But I am a 200 pound man and if I hit someone that small, something bad is going to happen. Something a lot worse than missing a parking spot.
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They're all average reasonable conditions too. If a 200 pound woman punched me and she was in the wrong, all bets are off.
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What a ridiculous thing to say. You can't be serious..OuterWorldVoice said:
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Should I carry a scale around in my trunk to see if I'm able to slug someone? If some little cretin starts something with me that's his problem.OuterWorldVoice said:
OuterWorldVoice said:
Whether they're reasonable is dependent on a number of other conditions. With the second sentence of your post we're now in agreement that hitting women is sometimes good, just like sometimes hitting men is good in the magical land of equality.
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You want me to run away from a midget?Shanadeus said:
What's going on here?
Hrm... one thing to consider.
If she came at him, clawing at his face, but only just barely nicked him or something - would that explain a violent alteration that leaves him almost entirely unscarred? Him reacting to a -possible- threat and not necessarily responding to physical pain already inflicted?
I know a lot of people here are saying "We can't really see any marks on him" - well, that doesn't necessarily dismiss the situation as unprovoked violence - some small cuts can heal real quick, and just because she didn't succeed in messing up his face, doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't trying to - and he was just trying to prevent that happening.
I am focusing a lot on the possibility of there being scratching involved, but that's because my older sister used to scratch the fuck out of me, I probably have a few scars that will be permanent - it's something I'll be afraid of for a long time.
Still - the courts will hopefully have more information than us. I say if he got out of the car to yell and shout at her - he can't legally be held at fault for that. If she struck first (even if it wasn't something particularly dangerous) and he struck back - well I don't really condone physical violence, but I don't know what it's like being in a fight, I am assuming for people seasoned in fighting, instinct takes over and you just start swinging.
If he lied about her striking first, all bets are off.
If she came at him, clawing at his face, but only just barely nicked him or something - would that explain a violent alteration that leaves him almost entirely unscarred? Him reacting to a -possible- threat and not necessarily responding to physical pain already inflicted?
I know a lot of people here are saying "We can't really see any marks on him" - well, that doesn't necessarily dismiss the situation as unprovoked violence - some small cuts can heal real quick, and just because she didn't succeed in messing up his face, doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't trying to - and he was just trying to prevent that happening.
I am focusing a lot on the possibility of there being scratching involved, but that's because my older sister used to scratch the fuck out of me, I probably have a few scars that will be permanent - it's something I'll be afraid of for a long time.
Still - the courts will hopefully have more information than us. I say if he got out of the car to yell and shout at her - he can't legally be held at fault for that. If she struck first (even if it wasn't something particularly dangerous) and he struck back - well I don't really condone physical violence, but I don't know what it's like being in a fight, I am assuming for people seasoned in fighting, instinct takes over and you just start swinging.
If he lied about her striking first, all bets are off.
What if the midget is trained in martial arts or is wearing brass knuckles?
These scenarios are retarded. Human nature is such that sometimes violence is the natural and "unavoidable" progression. Whether one of the parties involved is 4'2'', handicapped, has a vagina, or weighs 100lbs, there are plenty of situations where the best thing to do is to punch a person or worse.
These scenarios are retarded. Human nature is such that sometimes violence is the natural and "unavoidable" progression. Whether one of the parties involved is 4'2'', handicapped, has a vagina, or weighs 100lbs, there are plenty of situations where the best thing to do is to punch a person or worse.
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Sorry dude. But I doubt I'd feel threatened by a midget. And, if he's punching me, most likely he's doing a training bag on my balls. I'm gonna take him out with a boot to his forehead or maybe pick him up and toss him onto a roof or into a tree.Shanadeus said:
I'm not a violent guy at all, but I don't run.
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I understand what you're trying to say but a 100 lb man can kick a 200 lb man's ass if he knows how to fight.OuterWorldVoice said:
I'm not a violent guy at all. I haven't been in a fight since I was 12 so don't worry.
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I don't like prison jay. But I also find it hard to believe I'd run in that situation. Besides, I'm not that fast. I would probably make a midget look like a cheetah chasing down a wounded water buffalo. But, no worries... I don't see myself in this midget fight anytime soon.jay said:
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For most states self-defense only applies when a reasonable person feels they are in danger of death or serious injury. A 100-pound woman throwing a punch does not allow for deadly force. If she punched or slapped the guy first it could battery or simple assault. That doesn't give you the right to punch someone into a coma, which is a felony.MWS Natural said:
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