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[Satyamdas]

Dunno. I explain how an arm punch isn't a demonstration of force and I'm suddenly "posturing"

"I can take a roundhouse kick to the jaw like a champ and I never flinch when punched in the cheek, therefore anyone who punches a woman in defense is a coward and a pussy."

But you don't know that an arm punch sucks?

Why the stupid? I never said an arm punch is equal to a haymaker. Damage CAN be done from a punch thrown from the arm, no matter how much you want to deny it. And in the case of self defense, I don't expect someone to say "Well, you only threw an arm punch as opposed to a haymaker, therefore I will respond with a low-medium strength jab". It's ridiculous to expect someone to measure their punch in accordance with the technique used by the person attacking them.

I think one punch to the head is just as risky to the person throwing the punch. I've explained why already.

I don't think it teaches them the "lesson" you think it does.

I'd agree a punch to the head is risky. Guess what? You initiate the physical contact, you are the one taking the risk.

I never said anything about teaching someone a "lesson", why are you creating strawmen? 1 punch might be risky, and it might do damage like in this case, but it is not excessive force or an overreaction.

 

[Freshmaker]

"I can take a roundhouse kick to the jaw like a champ and I never flinch when punched in the cheek,

I did take a round house kick to the jaw. Hard to avoid that happening a few times in TKD.

I said you could arm punch me like that woman did and I wouldn't flinch from it. Because that was a damn weakass punch which you should already know FROM YOUR BOXING LESSONS.

therefore anyone who punches a woman in defense is a coward and a pussy."

I said that people advocating punching a woman to teach her a lesson fear physical confrontations. Mainly because of all the hysterical BS being tossed around in this thread.

"But what if she punched you with the force of a billion exploding suns and killed you? That's happened to my friend!"

Riiight.

Why the stupid? I never said an arm punch is equal to a haymaker.

You were saying at the time that it's terribly bad to dismiss the idea that a woman can genterate some serious force. For proof you posted a gif of a woman doing a weakass punch.

Damage CAN be done from a punch thrown from the arm, no matter how much you want to deny it.

No. Not really.

And in the case of self defense, I don't expect someone to say "Well, you only threw an arm punch as opposed to a haymaker, therefore I will respond with a low-medium strength jab".

You act like thought is impossible if someone comes at you bro. This is crap.

It's ridiculous to expect someone to measure their punch in accordance with the technique used by the person attacking them.

Yeah... That's why I have been advocating evasion or a restraining hold. No need to check your scouter.

I'd agree a punch to the head is risky. Guess what? You initiate the physical contact, you are the one taking the risk.

Dur. Then perhaps you'd listen to common sense and minimize that risk by NOT punching her in the head?

I never said anything about teaching someone a "lesson".

Um, dude, you've said exactly that at least three times already.

 

[Satyamdas]

Um, dude, you've said exactly that at least three times already.

Since you're so good at quoting, I simply ask for one instance where I have implied that defending yourself is a means of teaching a "lesson" to someone.

My position has always been that a person has the right to use force in self defense, and that 1 punch is not excessive. I have not made one reference to "putting someone in their place", or "that'll learn 'em". These are sentiments of your own creation that you are trying to pin on me.

 

[Freshmaker]

I have seen enough instances of women thinking they are immune from counterattacks and initiating physical aggression to assume that she was incapable of instigating the punches.

Meaning of course that a woman who gets hit back learns not to attack people.

 

[Satyamdas]

Meaning of course that a woman who gets hit back learns not to attack people.

LOL wut?? That quote implies nothing about her learning a lesson, and everything about some women being willing to instigate physical contact because they think they will get away with it.

It was in response to an implication that the woman probably didn't hit the guy first, and I was saying that I've seen enough women start shit to know better than to assume they are incapable of swinging first. Not one word about teaching someone a lesson.

Wow, your mind reading skills are terrible, man.

 

[Freshmaker]

LOL wut?? That quote implies nothing about her learning a lesson, and everything about some women being willing to instigate physical contact because they think they will get away with it.

Which punching them disproves apparently.

 

[Satyamdas]

Which punching them disproves apparently.

I'd say that if they were punched in retaliation they might make the connection between initiating physical aggression and a possibility of that aggression being reciprocated, yes. Whether the counterattack is done for defense or in an effort to educate is only known to the person punching back. I've said nothing to suggest that a person should be trying to teach a lesson, my concern is strictly with not stripping someone of the ability to strike back just because their attacker has a vag.

 

[Freshmaker]

I'd say that if they were punched in retaliation they might make the connection between initiating physical aggression and a possibility of that aggression being reciprocated, yes.

Then my mind reading was spot on.

 

[TheBahaBlast]

I for one can't wait to see how the trial will go and from the sound of many comments, will prove quite entertaining when some GAFers will be cheering for their side or defending it wildly. April 7th needs to come sooner.

./popcorn.gif

 

[Satyamdas]

Then my mind reading was spot on.

Not at all. I have not advocated self defense as a way to teach someone a lesson.

 

[Freshmaker]

Not at all. I have not advocated self defense as a way to teach someone a lesson.

No just punching women.

It couldn't possibly cause them to justify their actions after the fact by saying "Well he retaliated, so I really did need to hit him first!" or anything like that.

 

[Satyamdas]

No just punching women.

No just self defense. If that includes a punch then so be it.

It couldn't possibly cause them to justify their actions after the fact by saying "Well he retaliated, so I really did need to hit him first!" or anything like that.

I can't parse this, sorry.

 

[Zizbuka]

My 120lbs ex could kick the shit out of me.

Yeah, you may wanna keep that to yourself.

 

[YoungHav]

lmao. Sorry, granny is getting backhanded if she popped me in the face like that.

 

[fabricated backlash]

Well the thing that makes me doubt his claims of self defense is the fact that he ran off. If he was attacked and acted in self defense he should've stayed there and call the cops himself.
Especially after knocking her out. Regardless of gender, fleeing from the scene is going to cost him.

Besides, I don't buy the whole getting out of the car to talk with her claim.

 

[Shanadeus]

Well the thing that makes me doubt his claims of self defense is the fact that he ran off. If he was attacked and acted in self defense he should've stayed there and call the cops himself.
Especially after knocking her out. Regardless of gender, fleeing from the scene is going to cost him.

Besides, I don't buy the whole getting out of the car to talk with her claim.

Before people start bringing up his claim about how the boyfriend was running towards him and how he felt threatened enough to leave the scene:

It's not just that he left the scene but that he didn't even attempt to call the police afterwards once he's driven far enough from the boyfriend.

 

[Satyamdas]

Before people start bringing up his claim about how the boyfriend was running towards him and how he felt threatened enough to leave the scene:

It's not just that he left the scene but that he didn't even attempt to call the police afterwards once he's driven far enough from the boyfriend.

It's ridiculous to expect him to call the police. Why would he?

 

[nilbog21]

can someone explain why this thread has 15 pages?

 

[lexi]

It's ridiculous to expect him to call the police. Why would he?

Is he your dad or something? Jesus fucking christ at your one-man defense force.

 

[C Jones]

Yeah, you may wanna keep that to yourself.

LOL

 

[Satyamdas]

Is he your dad or something? Jesus fucking christ at your one-man defense force.

If he gets convicted of manslaughter or something like that I'll shrug my shoulders and say "sucks for him". Doesn't mean that the pitchforks being brought out and the dogpile aren't fucking retarded.

 

[Neki]

Is he your dad or something? Jesus fucking christ at your one-man defense force.

yeah I hope you call the police after you finish knocking someone out in a fight that they started. gotta make sure they're okay.

 

[Shanadeus]

It's ridiculous to expect him to call the police. Why would he?

Two reasons if we assume that his story is correct:

A) He was assaulted by someone
B) He could clear up what happened and look less suspicious

Instead he chose to go home and enjoy 4-5 days of peace until the police finally found him.

 

[confused]

Two reasons if we assume that his story is correct:

A) He was assaulted by someone
B) He could clear up what happened and look less suspicious

Instead he chose to go home and enjoy 4-5 days of peace until the police finally found him.

That shit right there is pretty incriminating if you ask me. If he did nothing wrong wouldn't he have just parked his car after beating the woman instead of jetting off straight away, all off a sudden forgetting that he needed to park ?

 

[Neki]

That shit right there is pretty incriminating if you ask me. If he did nothing wrong wouldn't he have just parked his car after beating the woman instead of jetting off straight away, all off a sudden forgetting that he needed to park ?

You're telling me that after getting into a fight with someone where you knock the person out, you would just go park in the spot and be on your way? LOL

 

[Zoe]

You're telling me that after getting into a fight with someone where you knock the person out, you would just go park in the spot and be on your way? LOL

If you were defending yourself, hopefully you'd call the police to report the other person for assault.

 

[oneHeero]

I'm not going to even touch the replies about how women can't fight worth a shit. It's like there are several kinds of stupidity in this thread.

Yes you included. I'm glad a women came into this thread and gave her opinion which reflected that of others who all say you shouldnt go around picking fights with bigger ppl regardless of gender or size. I've posted several links to girls beating guys badly and yet everyone acts like its not possible.


Please I want you guys to say you wouldnt fight back regardless i situations like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlFMuP8wY6c&feature=related

Or you could look at the sane way and understand it's basic common sense. You're not there to "teach an aggressor a lesson". You should be trying to extract yourself from the situation with as little damage and legal repercussions as possible.

If you get into a fight with anyone on the street, and throw a head shot, there's a chance you can KO someone, and odds are they will fall and scramble their brains on the sidewalk.

You're likely to be facing charges as a result.

wtf? That goes both fucken ways not just guy cant hit girl, but for anyone in any situation..

You must have missed this a few posts up: I've had girlfriends who were prone to instigating shit with random people and it is really fucking annoying to have to constantly engage in arguments or prevent fights due to their temper. If she decides to get physical and attack some dude, I don't care if its my own mother, I am going to hold her responsible for her actions even though I would jump in immediately to her aid. I don't agree with the idea that because a girl is with me I have to ignore my ethical code just so she can act out.

Right on, 100%. My family wants to make a dumb ass decision? Deal with it, it doesnt mean I cant beat up the guy as well.

Seriously. No one other than shanadeus replied to my point about how if he felt the need to punch her that hard, why does he bear no marks of his own?

Whatever, tons of people have made good arguments here and I dont see you nor shan replying, I see ppl from WK cherry picking arguments here and spinning them for their own side.

Because he weigh 150 pounds and managed to hit a 100 pound person with enough force to lift her off the ground?

Also, what people are saying is that she probably didn't throw any punches whatsoever considering that there is no evidence for him having been hit in any way.

Liked what Anton brought up:

O ok, so its ok to you a random witness who claims the lady flew off the ground but its not ok to also use the guys side of what happened? Your seriously crazy shan, last I read the guy was 140 lbs.

Two reasons if we assume that his story is correct:

A) He was assaulted by someone
B) He could clear up what happened and look less suspicious

Instead he chose to go home and enjoy 4-5 days of peace until the police finally found him

Why is it the guy has to do exactly as you would?

I mean seriously, wtf is going through your head that everyone is suppose to think and act the way you would? Are you mentally challenge? I ask out of respect so I dont call you crazy and you get all hurt by it, I truly want to know why you think people need to react as you would.

I have been in bar fights before and not once do I ever call the cops regardless of the outcome if I get beat or they get beat. Its a fight you move the fuck on. Shit its embarrassing enough the guy hit the chick, you think going to the cops with his record is just gonna be all cookies and cream? Did you grow up with a silver spoon in your mouth or what? lol

Do you curse shan? If you dont and I do, do you believe I have to stop since your a better person for not cursing? I dont understand this mentality you have that everyone is suppose to act the same way and that no one is born differently enough to make thier own decisions and react their own way. You seem to think that regardless of anyone's situation in anyway, people need to think and react like you or they are wrong.

Its now obvious your trolling as the thread goes on. You even go on claiming the guy was chilling peacefully for 4 days like that it was anything like that, I dont see you making the same type of claims for the women (prior to the coma ie she was acting crazy).

 

[Satyamdas]

Two reasons if we assume that his story is correct:

A) He was assaulted by someone
B) He could clear up what happened and look less suspicious

Instead he chose to go home and enjoy 4-5 days of peace until the police finally found him.

1) Police are rarely if ever called by the participants of a street fight. It is always by witnesses.
2) Calling the police to "look less suspicious" is mighty suspicious in itself. Many people would take that to mean he is trying to cover his ass.

Neither of these have any bearing on whether he reacted excessively or not. Most fights end without the police being called and the participants going their separate ways.

 

[confused]

You're telling me that after getting into a fight with someone where you knock the person out, you would just go park in the spot and be on your way? LOL

If I was in the right I sure wouldn't flee like a fugitive.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

We don't have any reason to believe she started anything. No witnesses to that fact, and no evidence.

if the guy gets convicted, it's probably because he punched a woman over a parking space, not because he was innocently defending himself and circumstances suck. This is a guy with a prior record of assault.

 

[GillianSeed79]

The problem with some of these arguments are people are looking at it as one person was either right or wrong. Assuming for a moment what the guy says is true, there's two seperate actions. If she punched first she would be guilty of battery. Fine. But unless he had no means of escape, it still doesn't give him the right to cold cock her from a legal perspective. I'm sure he didn't intend/expect to put her in a coma, but that's not a defense. The serious injury was caused as a direct result of his actions. Say someone throws a punch at you in a bar and you respond with your own punch and somehow manage to kill the guy. It doesn't mean you are off the hook legally just because you didn't intend to kill the guy. It's still manslaughter.

 

[Shanadeus]

1) Police are rarely if ever called by the participants of a street fight. It is always by witnesses.
2) Calling the police to "look less suspicious" is mighty suspicious in itself. Many people would take that to mean he is trying to cover his ass.

Neither of these have any bearing on whether he reacted excessively or not. Most fights end without the police being called and the participants going their separate ways.

If I get assaulted by someone then I'll sure as hell contact the police if I manage to get away safely - why wouldn't I?
Of course he should have covered his ass, by leaving the scene the way he did we're left with no choice but to assume that he escaped because he messed up as all evidence point towards him beating up the woman for no reason.

If someone intentionally drives into your car and crashes badly into a tree then you can't just drive home and enjoy a game of baseball with no intention of contacting the proper authorities.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Some of the analysis in this thread reads like the script for "Deadliest Warrior: Oscar Fuller vs Lana Rosas."

 

[Almighty_Chocobo]

Isn't New York a "Duty to Retreat" state? If so, dude's pretty fucked.

 

[oneHeero]

We don't have any reason to believe she started anything. No witnesses to that fact, and no evidence.

if the guy gets convicted, it's probably because he punched a woman over a parking space, not because he was innocently defending himself and circumstances suck. This is a guy with a prior record of assault.

This I agree with, granted no video shows up. I rather go with this post. I was awaiting video overall until this turned into another discussion lol

 

[Bungalow Bob]

I did take a round house kick to the jaw. Hard to avoid that happening a few times in TKD.

I said you could arm punch me like that woman did and I wouldn't flinch from it. Because that was a damn weakass punch which you should already know FROM YOUR BOXING LESSONS.

Dude, you take Tae-kwan-do classes; that's just a small step up from Tae Bo. If you had experience with real athletes you wouldn't be so clueless. How many of the the people in your school can even clean and jerk 300 pounds? Get some experience with people that aren't weak as fuck before making any more ignorant generalizations.

 

[reggieandTFE]

If he gets convicted of manslaughter or something like that I'll shrug my shoulders and say "sucks for him". Doesn't mean that the pitchforks being brought out and the dogpile aren't fucking retarded.

It makes sense that someone on your side of this topic would use words like the above so flippantly.

 

[Stinkles]

Some of the analysis in this thread reads like the script for "Deadliest Warrior: Oscar Fuller vs Lana Rosas."

You missed the "midgets may have combat training" page. Classic stuff.

 

[Satyamdas]

It makes sense that someone on your side of this topic would use words like the above so flippantly.

And it makes sense that someone on your side would latch on to something so innocuous as if it has any bearing on the actual issue at hand.

 

[Devolution]

Yes you included. I'm glad a women came into this thread and gave her opinion which reflected that of others who all say you shouldnt go around picking fights with bigger ppl regardless of gender or size. I've posted several links to girls beating guys badly and yet everyone acts like its not possible.

Oh yeah what have I posted that you consider stupid other than being critical of what that guy is trying to pull here.

 

[Inflammable Slinky]

No offense, but why is there 7 pages of arguing assuming that she did, in fact, attack him?


His lawyer said that, and of course he's gonna fucking say that! Why is GAF just assuming so much about what she did with a total lack of evidence?

 

[Hilaho]

can someone explain why this thread has 15 pages?

Because you aren't using 100 posts per page?

 

[Shanadeus]

Why is it the guy has to do exactly as you would?

I mean seriously, wtf is going through your head that everyone is suppose to think and act the way you would? Are you mentally challenge? I ask out of respect so I dont call you crazy and you get all hurt by it, I truly want to know why you think people need to react as you would.

I have been in bar fights before and not once do I ever call the cops regardless of the outcome if I get beat or they get beat. Its a fight you move the fuck on. Shit its embarrassing enough the guy hit the chick, you think going to the cops with his record is just gonna be all cookies and cream? Did you grow up with a silver spoon in your mouth or what? lol

Do you curse shan? If you dont and I do, do you believe I have to stop since your a better person for not cursing? I dont understand this mentality you have that everyone is suppose to act the same way and that no one is born differently enough to make thier own decisions and react their own way. You seem to think that regardless of anyone's situation in anyway, people need to think and react like you or they are wrong.

Its now obvious your trolling as the thread goes on. You even go on claiming the guy was chilling peacefully for 4 days like that it was anything like that, I dont see you making the same type of claims for the women (prior to the coma ie she was acting crazy).

Am I hitting a sore point?

I am only asking people to uphold the law and report crimes to the police - is that really too much to ask for?

What did he think would happen if he chose to shut up about what happened instead of reporting it and the cops turn up?
Are you telling me that he never considered the possibility of the police trying to find out who decked that woman that he left laying on the ground as the fled?
Did he accept the risk of his behaviour looking shady as hell and most likely lead to some prison time?

Fine, if that's the case then he took a calculated risk and it blew up in his face.

People can act however they want but don't start protesting if them acting in an incriminating way result in the police arresting them.

Here, I'll make a claim for the woman:

She's been chilling in a coma ever since she was knocked out.

Fair enough for you?

O ok, so its ok to you a random witness who claims the lady flew off the ground but its not ok to also use the guys side of what happened? Your seriously crazy shan, last I read the guy was 140 lbs.

Witness testimonies in combination with examination of the woman's condition is, in your opinion, comparable to the testimony of the person who admit hitting the woman stone cold and leaving her on the ground?

Jeez, it's as if you've already made up your mind and resolutely believe this woman is a she-devil who assaulted this poor gentleman who was only interested in having an argument with her, despite there not being a single shred of evidence supporting the guy's "side of what happened".

Is it really that wrong to assume, based on the reliable facts we have, that it didn't happen the way he said it happened?

 

[Dan Yo]

Am I hitting a sore point?

I am only asking people to uphold the law and report crimes to the police - is that really too much to ask for?

He was probably afraid. Guys aren't looked at too kindly in cases of self defense against women. Just look at Chris Brown. When talking about that situation, no one ever even acknowledges the fact that Rihanna hit him and began getting physical first. All they know is he hit back, and that's enough to ruin him.

 

[confused]

He was probably afraid. Guys aren't looked at too kindly in cases of self defense against women. Just look at Chris Brown. When talking about that situation, no one ever even acknowledges the fact that Rihanna hit him and began getting physical first. All they know is he hit back, and that's enough to ruin him.

He was in public. Even if she did attack him he could've/should've just walked away. The fact that he got out of his car shows he was ready for the shit to hit the fan / escalate the situation.

 

[Shanadeus]

He was probably afraid. Guys aren't looked at too kindly in cases of self defense against women. Just look at Chris Brown. When talking about that situation, no one ever even acknowledges the fact that Rihanna hit him and began getting physical first. All they know is he hit back, and that's enough to ruin him.

I could understand that excuse if he was out there alone and where he'd probably not be looked at too kindly like you say due to a lack of evidence.

But here he was in the public and surrounded by potential witnesses who would remember if she had been the one who attacked him first. He also had 4-5 days to think this over even if he panicked at the scene.

The more likely scenario is that he did in fact hit her first and fled the scene because he realized how much he fucked up.

 

[confused]

I could understand that excuse if he was out there alone and where he'd probably not be looked at too kindly like you say due to a lack of evidence.

But here he was in the public and surrounded by potential witnesses who would remember if she had been the one who attacked him first. He also had 4-5 days to think this over even if he panicked at the scene.

The more likely scenario is that he did in fact hit her first and fled the scene because he realized how much he fucked up.

Didn't he flee because her boyfriend pulled up ? What's his side of the story ? He must've seen something, right ?

 

[WanderingWind]

He was probably afraid. Guys aren't looked at too kindly in cases of self defense against women. Just look at Chris Brown. When talking about that situation, no one ever even acknowledges the fact that Rihanna hit him and began getting physical first. All they know is he hit back, and that's enough to ruin him.

Yeah...Chris Brown is doing just fine.

 

[lightless_shado]

can someone explain why this thread has 15 pages?

I honestly didn't think it would make it to this many pages. Most of the pages seem to be the same people arguing. I'm sorry, I've created a monster.

 

[Satyamdas]

He was in public. Even if she did attack him he could've/should've just walked away. The fact that he got out of his car shows he was ready for the shit to hit the fan / escalate the situation.

This is what all the arguing comes down to. The mentality which wishes to excuse violent outbursts if the aggressor is a woman vs. that which says if you start shit you might get hurt.

What you are basically saying is that women should be free to go around punching people and everyone should just run away or curl up into a ball. If that is how you deal with being attacked that's cool, but I refuse to view someone who uses force in retaliation as a criminal unless they go beyond defense and into assault.

A coma as a result of 1 punch and falling back is very unfortunate, but if he only threw one punch in defense then I don't think the guy deserves jail. If the evidence bears out that he threw an unprovoked punch then everything is out the window and he should rot in prison.