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[Big One]

It doesn't matter what actually is in Naruto, you'd just give it an "F."

A chapter like this deserves one. Naruto is mostly a D/C for the most part. Stat Flow is giving it way too much praise for this abysmally crap chapter. This chapter is easily one of the worst Naruto chapters ever made.

The last time Naruto was truly B/A worthy was the whole Minato flashback which was fantastic and needed.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Yeah, because it was that hard. :lol

If it was so easy, why did everyone disagree with it until it happened and then magically claimed, "well duh." It's really easy to do that when there's no search function.

A chapter like this deserves one. Naruto is mostly a D/C for the most part. Stat Flow is giving it way too much praise for this abysmally crap chapter. This chapter is easily one of the worst Naruto chapters ever made.

The last time Naruto was truly B/A worthy was the whole Minato flashback which was fantastic and needed.

This is why people roundly criticized your effort to catch up in Naruto and why you've got the reputation of being mirror universe DTL: becuase you pay a lot of lip service to being knowledgeable about manga, but all you really do is slobber over One Piece and bitch about the other two popular series. It's not an original schtick.

 

[Gvaz]

It looks like he is getting tired.


Nope, those are all clones.

Naruto couldn't even do a rasengan in his fox mode, what makes you think he can suddenly do kage buushin along with fox mode buushins? Did he take a Senzu bean somewhere that I missed? lol

 

[Big One]

This is how I rank this week's chapters

One Piece: C - Nothing much happens, nice colorspread I suppose and setup for action.
Bleach: C - Amusing to see Tsukishima trolling and then wtf behind shot again. This is getting stupid but thankfully it should be ending soon, right?
Naruto: F - The reveal was expected, but is still abysmal and has absolutely no place in the series. Kishimoto thinks making things more complicated makes it deep. However it seems he's learned nothing from his F- worthy Itachi backstory and will continue to pull crap.

This is why people roundly criticized your effort to catch up in Naruto and why you've got the reputation of being mirror universe DTL: becuase you pay a lot of lip service to being knowledgeable about manga, but all you really do is slobber over One Piece and bitch about the other two popular series. It's not an original schtick.

That's because I don't really have much time to read very much manga anymore. I don't claim to be flawfuls, but I have read at least 100+ manga in my lifetime ranging from more obscure shit, to middling popular, to super popular. I come from the era of early scanlations and I kind of took a couple year hiatus.

I just want to talk about the manga that everyone else talks about right now, which I've already established at the very beginning of my marathon.

Also I never have in my entire postings here slobbered on One Piece

 

[Steroyd]

Naruto couldn't even do a rasengan in his fox mode, what makes you think he can suddenly do kage buushin along with fox mode buushins? Did he take a Senzu bean somewhere that I missed? lol

No he couldn't do a beast ball, which he was practicing to get right... and yeah kishi must have forgot that Bee warned Naruto he shouldn't do kage bunshin because of his fox chakra, but he did it anyway and is taking down past kages via clones.

 

[Angry Grimace]

This is how I rank this week's chapters

One Piece: C - Nothing much happens, nice colorspread I suppose and setup for action.
Bleach: C - Amusing to see Tsukishima trolling and then wtf behind shot again. This is getting stupid but thankfully it should be ending soon, right?
Naruto: F - The reveal was expected, but is still abysmal and has absolutely no place in the series. Kishimoto thinks making things more complicated makes it deep. However it seems he's learned nothing from his F- worthy Itachi backstory and will continue to pull crap.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that nobody is buying the thinly veiled facade that you have any purpose in posting here other than repeatedly announcing you hate Naruto and Bleach. I called it as soon as you caught up on Naruto for the sole purpose of trolling its fans.

 

[survivor]

So if Tobi is Izuna, was there a reason to hide that fact and pretend to be Madara?

 

[Big One]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that nobody is buying the thinly veiled facade that you have any purpose in posting here other than repeatedly announcing you hate Naruto and Bleach. I called it as soon as you caught up on Naruto for the sole purpose of trolling its fans.

Making legitimate points about Naruto and Bleach isn't trolling. Secondly the only reason why my criticizing either of them in this topic is because Freshmaker and Beam thought it was a genius idea to bring it up. I had no part in suddenly bringing up why Naruto and Bleach is shit.

 

[Stat Flow]

Kishimoto thinks making things more complicated makes it deep.

I do agree that this has been a recurring thing since the timeskip. Kishimoto goes places where he doesn't need to go with this story (see: ALL OF THE UCHIHA) and it makes things ridiculous.

 

[levious]

If it was so easy, why did everyone disagree with it until it happened and then magically claimed, "well duh." It's really easy to do that when there's no search function.

oh I definitely didn't agree with it, but you weren't alone as I recall. Still would be pissed if they bring Obito back into this, unless it's just his body being used.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

This is how I rank this week's chapters

Bleach: C - Amusing to see Tsukishima trolling and then wtf behind shot again. This is getting stupid but thankfully it should be ending soon, right?

You did not like the character development that Ikkaku got?

 

[Big One]

You did not like the character development that Ikkaku got?

That wasn't character development for Ikkaku, that was character development for Moe, who doesn't really have a reason for anyone to really care about by this point.

 

[Gvaz]

He could have been really old by the time Nagato was a child.

1. Madara was before even the first hokage
2. sarutobi was like 70 when he died, and was a disciple of the second hokage as a kid
3. nagato was like ten or something when jiarya started teaching him and the other two, jirarya died when he was like 53
4. madara was likely dead before or around the second world war (we're on the fourth now)
5. the second died in the second world war, and I'm pretty sure the second mentions how old the third got when orochi resurrected him
6. madara's body doesn't look older than 50 tops, based on how old the third looked/acted (there's a period of 20 years between the first and second world wars too)

So, roughly estimating here, Madara was likely born close to 100~ years ago. If by some luck Madara ever met nagato he would have been like 5 years old

 

[Nocebo]

Why Obito's body and not any of the 5000 other available Uchihas? Obito doesn't really have any significance over any other random uchiha. I mean he could have gone for a younger uchiha at some point and not have to look like an old man like he does now. It's pretty obvious he isn't inhabiting a real body when you take into account that he can remove parts of his body on a whim and does so immediately when injured for some reason.

Also Tobi definitely has Madara's chakra signature at the least or else the Kyuubi wouldn't have reacted to him the way he did in the flashback with the 4th etc.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Bleach

That wasn't character development for Ikkaku, that was character development for Moe, who doesn't really have a reason for anyone to really care about by this point.

Ikkaku definitely got character development. If you notice him before the skip, he wanted to die under Zaraki Kenpachi, and now he wants to die for people who are also willing to die for him. Ikkaku was not afraid of showing his whole power as he stated in this chapter. Which means that he mgt get promoted and leave the 11th squad. Ikkaku never tried to talk to his enemies, he only wanted to fight, but now he did not wanted to kill Moe.

 

[Kagari]

Blood Lad 19

Sooner than I expected.

 

[Big One]

Bleach

Ikkaku definitely got character development. If you notice him before the skip, he wanted to die under Zaraki Kenpachi, and now he wants to die for people who are also willing to die for him. Ikkaku was not afraid of showing his whole power as he stated in this chapter. Which means that he mgt get promoted and leave the 11th squad. Ikkaku never tried to talk to his enemies, he only wanted to fight, but now he did not wanted to kill Moe.

That isn't character development, that's a character change. Do you even know what character development actually is? It's when you actually see the characters change, not them already changed.

 

[Zoramon089]

Why Obito's body and not any of the 5000 other available Uchihas? Obito doesn't really have any significance over any other random uchiha. I mean he could have gone for a younger uchiha at some point and not have to look like an old man like he does now. It's pretty obvious he isn't inhabiting a real body when you take into account that he can remove parts of his body on a whim and does so immediately when injured for some reason.

Also Tobi definitely has Madara's chakra signature at the least or else the Kyuubi wouldn't have reacted to him the way he did in the flashback with the 4th etc.

Why? Because this is there manga where everyone has to be related in some way. I don't see them introducing a random new character

 

[Green Biker Dude]

bleach was pretty good this week. aizen3 is awesome. i hope he doesn't lose

naruto would've been better if i hadn't read the spoiler. i want madara to explain what's going on, but that would be really stupid so i'm thinking it'll take some months for the truth to come out

since madara is dead and his sharingan aren't real, does that mean he can use izanagi as much as he wants? it wouldn't make sense for it to be limited, since he can use all of his other abilities, if itachi is anything to go by. he should be invincible then. if naruto beats him, i'll be disappointed. it'd be more interesting if he fought against itachi or the raikage or something. anyone but naruto really.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

That isn't character development, that's a character change. Do you even know what character development actually is? It's when you actually see the characters change, not them already changed.

Character change is not character development? Well, he has changed his philosophy, his fighting style, and his beliefs. That´s a definition of character development. So you want everything happen in front of your eyes to believe that he has developed? What about all the info about said character? Ikkaku has showed change from his previous behavior, and beliefs. That falls under character development.

 

[Gvaz]

Also they're not going to reveal who tobi is for many chapters, believe it.

My estimation of what happens:

Naruto and the six paths come by, everyone joins in for a big party, tobi is defeated. Sasuke shows up, they do a bit of "beat the pudding out of each other for 10 chapters". Hints who he is are revealed.

Oh no Tobi didn't die because X! Big reveal to who tobi actually is, crowd gasps.

Now one of two situations:

1. Naruto beats sasuke, sasuke has a change of heart, goes to fight tobi and dies and naruto goes in and kills tobi, conclusion, the end.
2. Naruto loses or ties to sasuke, tobi kills sasuke, naruto goes in and kills tobi, conclusion, the end.

 

[Big One]

Character change is not character development? Well, he has changed his philosophy, his fighting style, and his beliefs. That´s a definition of character development. So you want everything happen in front of your eyes to believe that he has developed? What about all the info about said character? Ikkaku has showed change from his previous behavior, and beliefs. That falls under character development.

No, character development is an actual process shown throughout the story.

And no none of those features are definition of character development.

Yes you can say he developed as a character in the sense that he is different now, like you're pointing out.

But actual character development happens in real-time as you read. It's when a character does develop/change and you see it happening. Like if Ikkaku for example was inspired by another character after a big long fight and changed his ideals about dying under Zenpaichi, that would be character development.

Him coming back and mentioning that his ideals are different from before suggests he went through character development, but we haven't actually seen it. But that's it. All that we see is that Ikkaku, as a character, has changed.

 

[survivor]

Bleach

Ikkaku definitely got character development. If you notice him before the skip, he wanted to die under Zaraki Kenpachi, and now he wants to die for people who are also willing to die for him. Ikkaku was not afraid of showing his whole power as he stated in this chapter. Which means that he mgt get promoted and leave the 11th squad. Ikkaku never tried to talk to his enemies, he only wanted to fight, but now he did not wanted to kill Moe.

So Ikkaku never tried to talk to any of his enemies? Didn't he have loads of conversations with Ichigo when he fought him?

 

[Wiseblade]

Big One and DTL are a troll tag team. They catch you coming and going.

Spoiler

I find it kind of funny that I seem to get away with my blind OP praise.

 

[Big One]

Big One and DTL are a troll tag team. They catch you coming and going.

Well if saying the exact same things everyone else is saying is trolling, then everyone posting here is a troll.

 

[Error]

I think kishimoto also dropped enough hints, some characters (don't remember which) wondered how he could be alive because he would be way too old.

Seems like age is something no one can beat in Narutoverse, only Orochimaru was capable of escaping it.

Also doesn't this confirms that he got killed by the first Hokage? he looks exactly the same as he did when they fought.

shit, why am I even discussing this plot-twist.

 

[Big One]

I think kishimoto also dropped enough hints, some characters (don't remember which) wondered how he could be alive because he would be way too old.

Seems like age is something no one can beat in Narutoverse, only Orochimaru was capable of escaping it.

This is very true and I agree completely, but I think if Naruto/Sasuke or whoever fought Tobi right now, the story could have a ridiculously satisfying ending and brings closure to a long series with likable characters that most people grew to love (and then abandoned by the author, bleh).

But Kishimoto insists people really care about this shit and is just dragging it down. Just end Naruto already, Christ.

 

[Haly]

Seems like age is something no one can beat in Narutoverse, only Orochimaru was capable of escaping it.

"They're using their immortality to their advantage."

 

[Gvaz]

Yeah tsunade is only like 54....yet everyone and naruto calls her granny, and pretty much all the old people are in their 70s or close to it. The oldest person in the story right now is pretty much Ōnoki, the old earth kage guy. He fought with madara so he's got to be at least pushing 80

 

[Kagari]

Medaka Box 118

:OOO
Spoilers starting to leak out, but:

http://www.novacrystallis.com/zen.jpg

 

[Steroyd]

I think kishimoto also dropped enough hints, some characters (don't remember which) wondered how he could be alive because he would be way too old.

Seems like age is something no one can beat in Narutoverse, only Orochimaru was capable of escaping it.

Also doesn't this confirms that he got killed by the first Hokage? he looks exactly the same as he did when they fought.

shit, why am I even discussing this plot-twist.

I think the biggest problem I have with this is the timescale of it all, he knows Nagato which screws up my perception of the time of events.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

So Ikkaku never tried to talk to any of his enemies? Didn't he have loads of conversations with Ichigo when he fought him?

No. He just trash talked Ichigo. After Ikkaku´s defeat, he told Ichigo to be careful of Zaraki, and gave the info about where Rukia was imprisoned.

 

[survivor]

No. He just trash talked Ichigo. After Ikkaku´s defeat, he told Ichigo to be careful of Zaraki, and gave the info about where Rukia was imprisoned.

So he always talked with his enemies?

 

[ElFly]

Also they're not going to reveal who tobi is for many chapters, believe it.

My estimation of what happens:

Naruto and the six paths come by, everyone joins in for a big party, tobi is defeated. Sasuke shows up, they do a bit of "beat the pudding out of each other for 10 chapters". Hints who he is are revealed.

Oh no Tobi didn't die because X! Big reveal to who tobi actually is, crowd gasps.

Now one of two situations:

1. Naruto beats sasuke, sasuke has a change of heart, goes to fight tobi and dies and naruto goes in and kills tobi, conclusion, the end.
2. Naruto loses or ties to sasuke, tobi kills sasuke, naruto goes in and kills tobi, conclusion, the end.

You'd think that kakashi would be the one to take down tobi.

 

[Kusagari]

Madara was defeated by Hashirama shortly after the founding of Konoha right? If so, he must have survived that fight and then lived on. There's no other way that he could have possibly met Nagato from the timeline.

But then why does he look the same as he did from back then and not old? Ughh.

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

Well, the humans did something to him, and he has some secret that makes him invincible.

I don't think the secret is why he's "invincible". That's just from the pills and his ridiculous willpower.

 

[survivor]

I don't think the secret is why he's "invincible". That's just from the pills and his ridiculous willpower.

The dude is still taking in these pills to counter Luffy

Something bad must happen due to excess use of these pills.

 

[Gvaz]

You'd think that kakashi would be the one to take down tobi.

Why? Kakashi is not the main protagonist, this is a shonen manga so the protagonist has to fight the big boss, and even if tobi is obito he's not likely to fight him.

 

[Error]

I hate these lessons of life in bleach, the good guys always do this against the badguys after a fight. so ridiculous.

 

[Haly]

Yo yo yo, when did Kimimaro show up.

 

[survivor]

Yo yo yo, when did Kimimaro show up.

Chapter 531

 

[electroshockwave]

Yo yo yo, when did Kimimaro show up.

I think he was there when they first showed the zombies but he hasn't done anything since then.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

So he always talked with his enemies?

It´s like every battle manga ever where enemies talk to each other. It depends on what they talk about that makes a difference. The type of talk or lack of with his enemies (Edorad, and PO respectively) does not compare to Ikkaku taking to Moe.

 

[mysticwhip]

Naruto
Even though it was expected, the twist was fucking awesome. Madara looks like a fucking badasss and I can't wait to see him wreck everyone on the battlefield and see Tobi shit his pants.

As for who Tobi is:
-Might be Obito, but that would be strange as he would have no hatred towards ninja.
-He definitely has Obito's other eye since he can do that warping thing that Kakashi can do with Obito's other eye(kakashi warps aobject while tobi can warp himself. Just like Sasuke can cast amaterasu with one eye and extenguish it with the other.
-might be Madara's brother but he should be dead and we saw the body and everything but it might be him.

Also, this probably was the body in the coffin Kabuto showed Madara. He promised him the body after the war but I guess Madara isn't going to be so friendly towards him the next time they meet.

 

[survivor]

It´s like every battle manga ever where enemies talk to each other. It depends on what they talk about that makes a difference. The type of talk or lack of with his enemies (Edorad, and PO respectively) does not compare to Ikkaku taking to Moe.

I would wager the difference is cause Moe is just some punk kid. Having Ikkaku fight him to the death will make him look bad on his part, hence why the "comrades die for comrades" talk.

You could chalk it up as character development, but it just seems like a weak point.

 

[Angry Grimace]

1. Madara was before even the first hokage
2. sarutobi was like 70 when he died, and was a disciple of the second hokage as a kid
3. nagato was like ten or something when jiarya started teaching him and the other two, jirarya died when he was like 53
4. madara was likely dead before or around the second world war (we're on the fourth now)
5. the second died in the second world war, and I'm pretty sure the second mentions how old the third got when orochi resurrected him
6. madara's body doesn't look older than 50 tops, based on how old the third looked/acted (there's a period of 20 years between the first and second world wars too)

So, roughly estimating here, Madara was likely born close to 100~ years ago. If by some luck Madara ever met nagato he would have been like 5 years old

That's a lot of rough estimating and the cumulative sum of all that rough estimating is that your math doesn't really carry a lot of weight.

 

[Big One]

I would wager the difference is cause Moe is just some punk kid. Having Ikkaku fight him to the death will make him look bad on his part, hence why the "comrades die for comrades" talk.

You could chalk it up as character development, but it just seems like a weak point.

It's development character development for Moe, but Beam is claiming Ikkaku got character development when he hasn't (as I explained in my post). The thing is however is that no one has an incentive to care about Moe whatsoever so the character development is fairly ineffective.

 

[Gvaz]

That's a lot of rough estimating and the cumulative sum of all that rough estimating is that your math doesn't really carry a lot of weight.

The only thing I'm estimating is is madara's apparent age when he died and how long it's been since he died.

Everything else is on the wiki.

The estimation seems to be sound as well, Onoki is the only living kage who's still alive who fought madara once, so he can't be older than 100, 80 seems about right. It's also likely that onoki fought him when he was younger (a theme seems to be between 15-35 for characters falling into "power" or major events in their life) so still that's around 50 years since he died, and if he looks like it's likely he's about 50 for that body (which is when the body died) then my initial estimate of around 100 is pretty sound.

 

[survivor]

Naruto
Also, this probably was the body in the coffin Kabuto showed Madara. He promised him the body after the war but I guess Madara isn't going to be so friendly towards him the next time they meet.

If this is the same body, does Tobi at this point have any reason to pretend to be buddies with Kabuto? I know he doesn't trust Kabuto already, but this is like an open betrayal.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Well if saying the exact same things everyone else is saying is trolling, then everyone posting here is a troll.

Uh, you realize that's the whole point of DTL's troll character?

It's not original at all to parrot unsolicited One Piece is awesome and Naruto/Bleach sucks takes every week because the "one piece rules naruto sucks" guy is pretty much a common theme on manga discussion threads. What really wears thin is the act of pretending like you're following Naruto's plot for any reason other than to just announce you hate it as often as possible.