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Marathon: Durandal Blowout plus a bouns

"as someone new to the marathon series, will i be lost only playing marathon 2?"

Bildi said:
You'll be no more lost than someone who played Marathon 1 first. Take that as you will!

:lol so true. I couldn't keep up with the story after 5 or so level. Otherwise M2 is fantastic game - at first looks completely wierd with all the color scheme and design, but it's really great. And the artwork screens between levels are briliant!.

I'll go look for them right now.
 
Tain said:
System Shock says wsup.



I can't let that Half-Life comparison slide. The texture replacement is a wonderful fan effort for a thirteen year old game, but in no way does it approach Quake 2, let alone Half-Life.

And again, I'm not saying Marathon is bad, for what it's worth. It's just that pretty much nothing from that era holds up as well as Doom does.
I do not understand how is that nothing from that era holds up as well as Doom. Whereas Doom 2 has only corridor battles, Marathon 2 has many open spaces with tons of different enemies and amazing AI patterns. Also, the coop in Marathon owns anything Doom had going for multiplayer. More so, the story in Marathon is actually complicated and relevant to the events in the game, not just some way to string together repetitive levels. I became a fan of Bungie back in the Marathon days, and IMO Marathon > Halo anyday. I respect your opinion, but to be honest there is no valid argument for what you are saying.
 
I do not understand how is that nothing from that era holds up as well as Doom. Whereas Doom 2 has only corridor battles, Marathon 2 has many open spaces with tons of different enemies and amazing AI patterns. Also, the coop in Marathon owns anything Doom had going for multiplayer. More so, the story in Marathon is actually complicated and relevant to the events in the game, not just some way to string together repetitive levels. I became a fan of Bungie back in the Marathon days, and IMO Marathon > Halo anyday. I respect your opinion, but to be honest there is no valid argument for what you are saying.

I don't see how anybody who has played Doom or Doom 2 can say that they only have corridor battles. I remember more open-area fights than anything else. Just look at the city stages in Hell on Earth or even the very beginning of Inferno.

Co-op in Marathon reflects the single-player in the first place... not unlike Doom. Goes without saying that someone who prefers Marathon would prefer Marathon's co-op. Marathon might've been more full-featured in terms of network options than Doom back in 1994, I'll admit, as I play both games primarily through modern source ports and barely remember the originals.

No doubt that Marathon had much more thought put into the story, which is great, but it's not enough to make me prefer it to Doom. I love Doom's environments, I love Doom's weapons. I love Doom's monsters, and I love how it all fell right into place during play. Moreso than most FPSes out there today.

Ignoring that it's pretty much impossible to say that a game is objectively better than another, there are plenty of valid reasons to prefer either Marathon or Doom.
 
Joystick hands-on with Marathon: Durandal.

Being the last day of E3, we were bound and determined to finally lay our greedy little hands on Marathon: Durandal for Xbox Live Arcade. Having been turned away from Marathon's suite thrice yesterday, we were eager to finally get a hold of Bungie's seminal shooter (being developed for XBLA by Freeverse). Seeing as we only had a short time with the game, we decided to set off into multiplayer immediately. There were several maps to choose from, but "Giant Flaming Pit of Lava" caught our eye, so off we went.

Anyone familiar with Marathon will instantly be at home with the XBLA version. The game sports widescreen and higher resolution textures than the original game, though it's not likely to forcibly remove your socks. The action is fast-paced and frantic, even more so than DOOM, XBLA's other FPS. The Marathon engine supports a few more features than the DOOM engine, including the ability to look up and down and quick-look left and right. Many of the game's weapons also support alternate fire. For example, the assault rifle can also fire arcing grenades.

Those unfamiliar with the game will definitely be able to see the influence that Marathon had on the Halo series. Many of Halo's weapons and concepts are direct descendants of those found in Marathon. The fusion pistol, for example, is essentially the plasma pistol. The rocket launcher is nearly exactly the same as Halo's. There are shields, overshields, active camouflage, even the motion tracker is there. Not only that, even many of the maps are familiar. Thunderdome, for example, will be familiar to fans (and rocket campers) of Halo 2's Foundation.

The game is definitely showing its age, but it's also surprisingly entertaining. Multiplayer supports up to 8 players via system link or Xbox Live and 4 players via split-screen on a single box. The maps vary from wide open killing fields (Thunderdome) to narrow hallways perfect for ambushes (Ok, Come Get Some). Nailing an unsuspecting opponent with dual-wielded, double-barreled sawed-offs as he rounds a corner is very satisfying.

At the end of the day, Marathon serves as a surprisingly fun first person shooter on XBLA, and that's without even considering the campaign. There are sure to be some complaints about the dated graphics (perhaps valid ones at that), but for those who don't mind the "classic" styling -- or perhaps even appreciate it -- and for those looking to bone up on their Halo history, Marathon is worth a look.

Update: Fixed chronologically inaccurate weapon statement. We blame lack of sleep.
 
I'm probably going to DL M2: D over XBLA, but I'd like to play the original Marathon first. Anyone have a link to a place where I can download it? I searched and I can only find it in .sit format or something like that. Anyone have it in an .exe or .zip or anything that I can handle?
 
ToyMachine228 said:
I'm probably going to DL M2: D over XBLA, but I'd like to play the original Marathon first. Anyone have a link to a place where I can download it? I searched and I can only find it in .sit format or something like that. Anyone have it in an .exe or .zip or anything that I can handle?

Ask and thee shall receive.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
Thank you sir. Noob question. I downloaded it. Now how do I install the game?

You cannot be serious!

http://source.bungie.org/get/ said:
Download a Scenario and Aleph One for your OS. Drag Aleph One into the scenario folder

So basically unzip the Marathon folder, then unzip the Aleph One folder inside the Marathon folder, and then to launch Marathon open the Aleph One exe. (You did download the Aleph One release for your OS on the 2nd row right?)

If you need anymore help than that use the readme. I also recommend you download some of the optional scripts there, I am especially fond of hi-res textures.
 
homez99 said:
You cannot be serious!
I admit, when I installed it the first time it took me a minute to figure it out because it isn't quite explained what the purpose of AlephOne is.

ToyMachine - AlephOne is the application and it takes all the Marathon 2 or Marathon 3 files and runs the game. So install a copy of AlephOne in each of the Marathon 2 and 3 folders and click it to launch.

If I remember right, AlephOne won't run Marathon 1. You just use the normal Marathon 1 application for that.

Does that sound right homez?
 
Bildi said:
If I remember right, AlephOne won't run Marathon 1. You just use the normal Marathon 1 application for that.

Does that sound right homez?

Wrong, the site I linked to had all 3 Marathon games, and they all work with Aleph One, and as previously states it's the M1A1 release, I am playing it right now!
 
woxel1 said:
I'm on Mac - is that a Mac thing? That doesn't ring a bell but then I installed the free versions ages ago and I can't really remember.

Edit: homez, yeah, I'm on a Mac - maybe it's different? It's also entirely possible I'm talking out my ass but I'm at work so I can't check.
 
Bildi said:
I'm on Mac - is that a Mac thing? That doesn't ring a bell but then I installed the free versions ages ago and I can't really remember.

No that's the basic elements of the game, you need an Aleph One launcher to launch that on a Mac, and as if by luck, the site I mentioned earlier will also sort you out there:

http://source.bungie.org/get/

First of all, you pick which Marathon you want and download that, then you pick which OS you're on for Aleph One and download the corresponding folder, then you unzip the Marathon folder, and you unzip the Aleph One folder inside the Marathon folder and find the Aleph One launcher for Mac in there.
 
This was basically the only Mac game out back in the day.

Considering that it's free on the internet, I wouldn't put it past them to charge 800 points. :lol

But it was definitely a high quality shooter back in the day.
 
homez99 said:
No that's the basic elements of the game, you need an Aleph One launcher to launch that on a Mac, and as if by luck, the site I mentioned earlier will also sort you out there:

http://source.bungie.org/get/

First of all, you pick which Marathon you want, then you pick which OS you're on for Aleph One, then you unzip the Marathon folder, then you unzip the Aleph One folder in the Marathon folder and find the Aleph One launcher for Mac, which should be freshly unzipped in there somewhere.
Thanks guys. I just had this recollection that since Marathon uses a different engine to 2 and 3, it was a different process to run it.

Since I moved to playing the free versions on a Powermac I've only played Marathon 2 and 3. I have Marathon 1 installed but only launched it once briefly and I had a recollection that I put AlephOne in the folder but it didn't like it. Ignore me, my memory is obviously crap.
 
I just read the article in Game Informer about Marathon and I found out a lot I didn't know. Facts like it was the first first-person shooter to do mouse control, dual-wielding, secondary functions on weapons, and use AI controlled enemies.

Also sounds like it was one of the first games to use story telling beyond a basic plot just to keep the game flowing. Sad I missed it back in the day.
 
Sqorgar said:
Why start with Marathon 2? I mean, what's wrong with Pathways Into Darkness?

They answered this question in an interview in the new issue of GI. They said there are technical reasons, and as far as they know they will only be doing one Marathon game for XBLA, so they chose M2.
 
For those interested, Aelph One was also ported to the Dreamcast but only with KB+M support...no controllers. I made a copy to play but didn't have a keyboard at the time so I never was able to test it. Anyone got a link to those who might be interested?
 
KTallguy said:
This was basically the only Mac game out back in the day.

Considering that it's free on the internet, I wouldn't put it past them to charge 800 points. :lol

But it was definitely a high quality shooter back in the day.

There were others such as Myst SimCity and the like. But this was exclusive on the Mac. Then they ported Durandal to PC, I think that's it though. The mod community has really kept this game alive.

The alien weapon sucks in 2 and Infinity. I really like the alien weapon in 1.

The juggernauts! Save those SPNKR missles!
 
ToyMachine228 said:
They answered this question in an interview in the new issue of GI. They said there are technical reasons, and as far as they know they will only be doing one Marathon game for XBLA, so they chose M2.
It's also discussed in the interview at bungie.net.
 
I bought the Mac Action Sack way back when it was still on the bungie store. Has all 3 marathon games, pathways, abuse, and several others.

Any other old bungie fans remember abuse? That seems like the perfect template for a Halo portable game, especially on DS with touch controls working like the mouse. Basically it's a 2D action game like contra, but you move with the keypad, and aim around the screen with the mouse. Feels very fluid and enjoyable.
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
$10 for a free game, not even all the marathon games.


wow.
A game with entirely new graphics, double the frame rate and new maps, multiplayer and single-player modes. Not exactly a ROM dump.
 
GhaleonEB said:
A game with entirely new graphics, double the frame rate and new maps, multiplayer and single-player modes. Not exactly a ROM dump.
I'm with you... I don't mind paying $10 for a classic with improvements.

I have the original Mac releases and Aelph One with the fan content.

*NOTE*
Marathon: Durandal does not in any way use the GPL Marathon 2 source code
 
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