TheGreatMightyPoo
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Never played that Mario Kart(about the only one I haven't) but I recently watched video of the course and I have to say YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR MIND.
Ok, to each their own but it looks like a really cool, crazy track to me.
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Mario Kart 8 Info Thread
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Never played that Mario Kart(about the only one I haven't) but I recently watched video of the course and I have to say YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR MIND.
Ok, to each their own but it looks like a really cool, crazy track to me.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
My point was we have seen footage of almost every course like you said.
Why(besides Rainbow Road) aren't we seeing anything on a few of them???
I guess I'm going by the premise of developers often previewing a game and saving the best stuff for last but I can't believe Sherbet Island or whatever that course is called is going to be jawdropping.
I guess it just worked out that way and there's nothing to it.
PotionBleue
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Well, honestly even with the upgrades, the SNES and the GBA retro tracks shown so far (Donut Plains 3 & Mario Circuit) are indeed the least interesting / most flat ones. I would be very disappointed if they picked a SNES/GBA Bowser's Castle instead of any of the others.
real talk:
every bowser's castle after 64 is awful.
bowser's castle 64 was the only good track from 64
Yes, please!
Serious mechanics question: how prevalent is the rubber banding expected to be in this game?
I first played Mario Kart on SNES, but started taking it seriously on N64 (even participating in the Nintendo Power contest). And it was there I noticed the rubber banding of the AI. Then on Mario Kart Wii, the rubber banding was so bad that (in addition to the powerups) I found the game unplayable.
Does rubber banding affect player opponents? One would assume not, but has anyone definitively tested it? I really want a new game for WiiU, but I'm afraid that this will only look pretty but have poor gameplay.
I first played Mario Kart on SNES, but started taking it seriously on N64 (even participating in the Nintendo Power contest). And it was there I noticed the rubber banding of the AI. Then on Mario Kart Wii, the rubber banding was so bad that (in addition to the powerups) I found the game unplayable.
Does rubber banding affect player opponents? One would assume not, but has anyone definitively tested it? I really want a new game for WiiU, but I'm afraid that this will only look pretty but have poor gameplay.
Yes, 7 is much better than MK Wii when it comes to balancing. MKWii is, after MK DS, the most broken Mario Kart ever (particularily to the bikes who are severely overpowered).
Mario Kart 7, on the other hand, is pretty balanced, but obviously not perfect. It is to 85% (I'm just using this percentage to get my point across, obviously it's pretty hard to measure something like that) skill-based - that's what I would say.
If MK 8 is an improved continuation of 7 - which many factors heavily hint at - then there shouldn't be anything to worry about and it could easily become the best Mario Kart to date.
Freezie KO
Banned
Good assessment. MKWii is such a disaster of balance that I was shocked at how well MK7 was able to course-correct.
PotionBleue
Member
That sounds like a big exaggeration. I'm sorry but if IA makes it difficult for you in MKWii or MK7 up to the point of quitting the game then you're rather terrible.
Of course, it doesn't affect human-controlled vehicles.
All in all it's almost a non-issue because most people will be spending most of their time online, with other human players.
I don't understand how MKWii bikes have anything to do with luck, what he was talking about.
As a reference point we obviously need to take MK7, which - like any other Mario Kart - does have rubber banding. However, I don't think it's very heavy. I didn't have any problem to clear all cups at 50cc, 100cc and 150cc wiht 3 stars. Only in 150cc you could feel the challenge, but most of the time it wasn't a problem.
What do you mean by your last sentence and "player opponents"? You mean actual people? If so, of course not, there is no rubber-banding online or in local multiplayer apart from the usual Mario Kart-esque distribution of items (first gets more defensive items, last gets more offensive and speed improving items).
Tom Nook Sawyer
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2nd best (for me). 1st best can only be achieved by bringing back the co-op and item mechanics of Double Dash
Well, in addition to luck he is also talking about other factors that might diminish the importance of skill, and Mario Kart Wii bikes fall absolutely into this category. When you play online (with a medium to decent amount of racing points) and the the whole driver field consist of bikes, it's pretty outrageous. I myself, for example, don't like to drive with bikes, purely because I find Karts to be more fun. But in order to compete online I would be forced to use bikes, since they are just overpowered. No matter how skilled you are, if you use a kart, a driver with the same skill and a bike will always win against you.
Okay, I'm sorry for the slightly off-topic, but I can't start new threads yet...
Has anyone else noticed that Nintendo basically ruined miiverse today? You have to wait 3 minutes to comment on any posts that aren't your own. They've effectively removed the "social" from social media.
What the hell is Nintendo thinking? You can't even comment on a different person's post, you just have to sit there twiddling your thumbs for 3 damn minutes.
Has anyone else noticed that Nintendo basically ruined miiverse today? You have to wait 3 minutes to comment on any posts that aren't your own. They've effectively removed the "social" from social media.
What the hell is Nintendo thinking? You can't even comment on a different person's post, you just have to sit there twiddling your thumbs for 3 damn minutes.
Aaronrules380
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Pretty sure it says the 3 minute thing only applies to a specific given post since it says you have to wait 3 minutes to comment on the same post. If its acting otherwise it's a bug
Seems like it was an issue and this was one way to resolve it.
I don't care what it says, I've been on miiverse for an hour and once you post a comment, you can't post another comment ANYWHERE for 3 minutes, unless you are in a thread you yourself created.
Removing the social from social media is a pretty bad way to resolve the problem.
And it's a non-existent problem at that. In 4 months, I've been spammed by annoying users twice, and blocking them fixed that.
That's quite an assumption you made there. I had no problem beating the AI (who does?), I just found it absurd to know that the AI were able to access higher speeds than I am when I am ahead of them. It doesn't fit my standards of competition.
I would like to believe there is no rubber banding with player opponents, but mere assertions are not convincing. Unless someone can point to quotes from the developers, I would not assume anything. Should I purchase this game, I would test it.
PotionBleue
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Take a look at L~A's Miiverse Update Thread 2014 (Wii U, 3DS, web) -
I really don't understand why it bothers you. Can you only enjoy Mario Kart if you see that all IA racers finish races 1 minute after you? I mean, what's the problem if the IA speeds up when it's behind you if in the end you still manage to beat it comfortably?
By the way, previous Mario Kart games except MK7 have been hacked to death, and there's absolutely no case of the game increasing a human vehicle's speed solely based on its position or distance from other players.
Play the whole Grand Prix with 3 other people in 4 player split-screen and you will have less rubber-banding. As I've said, there is rubber-banding in MK7, just like in any other Mario Kart, but it's less than in MKWii. It's pretty safe to say there will be rubber-banding in MK8, too, during single player, but probably won't be a problem as well.
Thank you, this is the anecdotal evidence I was looking for.
And to be clear, I don't have a problem with rubber band AI in principle, but it was way too noticeable in Mario Kart Wii. I would be happy were it at N64 levels.
The problem with removing the rubber banding AI, is that even with it in, the AI is just too easy. Did Nintendo crank up the difficulty of the AI to compensate?
Granted, I've seen bots online do some pretty impressive things, so maybe Nintendo is so good with the AI now that they don't need to rely on rubber banding.
Granted, I've seen bots online do some pretty impressive things, so maybe Nintendo is so good with the AI now that they don't need to rely on rubber banding.
I think it's a mix of both.
They obviously improved the AI tremendously over the years.
There are moments where all the CPU avoid items, hazards and even have a great item management but then you reach the point where you know the track so well than even those are not enough for them to keep up so that's when rubber banding comes to play.
What is it about the bikes that make them so much better in Wii, and how was this fixed? What's the primary difference between the karts and bikes in 7?
edit - sorry for the barrage of questions lmao, if anyone has like an essay or video analysis of the mechanics that'd be swell
There are no bikes in 7.
Bikes can do wheelies which make them overall faster, and generally have sharper turning. A bike can be hit out of a wheelie though, causing them to shake out a bit and loose speed.
Karts can get a bigger turbo boost, and have more weight.
Honestly, I don't care for the speed advantage of bikes, as in I don't mind them getting rid of wheelies. What is bothersome is (potentially) getting rid of inline turning.
They can do wheelies all the time, while a kart needs to be in a drift to get a turbo boost.
They can take any turn with full speed. The bowser bike has a turning angle of almost nothing.
Thankfully it was fixed in MK7. No bikes anymore.
In MK8 bikes are back, though, but have been nerfed. No wheelies anymore and they have to drift like any other vehicle in the game. At least that's the info we have right now.
Wii Bowser Castle is majestic, wtf
Freezie KO
Banned
I'm surprised they brought the bikes back at all. Hopefully there's no balance issues now that they can't do wheelies and have normal drifts.
It's cool. That lava room has had wonky moments tho.
Given the choice, I'd Gladly take GCN Bowser castle.
Except the GBA ones, I think I find this to be true. The GCN one was pretty boring outside of that one area with the huge Bowser canon shooting explosive stuff. The DS one is super short and only has that spinning thing as an interesting section. MK7's was just terrible all around.
MKWii's was pretty nice though. Though that Thwomp section is uninteresting.
You tell 'em.
Best Bowser's Castle since N64.
The_Intruder
Member
Did you guys see this?
https://twitter.com/TiLMEN/status/459074351984177152
https://twitter.com/TiLMEN/status/459074351984177152
PotionBleue
Member
old rumour that is still not confirmed at all.
Mario Kart 8 is getting a Wii U Premium Pack in Europe?
Not sure why they even bothered with bikes now if they've taken out wheelies. They seem like a purely cosmetic choice now which is stupid imo. They could have kept wheelies but restricted them only to normal non anti-gravity sections. Which would make sense since the way the wheels turn would prevent wheelies anyway and it would also essentially make it you either go the normal path with wheelies vs missing out on possible boosts and shortcuts by going anti-gravity rather than this heavy handed approach of removing wheelies completely.
Back when Bikes where shown of for MKWii some people did say why, it's called Mario Kart for a reason. This update/downgrade of bikes supports that statement even more if they are just karts in bike form now.
Physical copy, still no way to transfer stuff from one WiiU to the next and 299 price tag.
ain't gonna make waves, IMO.
https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/459286071961194496
Start your engines from 30/5 when the Mario Kart 8 Premium Pack - Special Edition arrives in shops! #WiiU #MK8
To be fair, the last time he hyped an announcement for Mario Kart 8 was just before Nintendo revealed the Special edition with blue shell... so it seems highly likely something is being announced today (be it the hardware bundle or something else).
Edit..and it's just announced obviously.
Davey Cakes
Member
The premium bundle should happen everywhere IMO.
That said obviously it makes the most sense in the more struggling markets.
But Wii U is struggling worldwide so...yeah. It's not absolutely dead in the US but it's close enough to warrant a push.
That said obviously it makes the most sense in the more struggling markets.
But Wii U is struggling worldwide so...yeah. It's not absolutely dead in the US but it's close enough to warrant a push.
SoraanTribal
Member
Sorry, I know this will sound dumb probably, but what is "inline turning"? I do not like most racing games (only a fan of kart racers), so my knowledge of various racing terms is quite lacking, lol.
PotionBleue
Member
This is a bike with outer/outside/out-whatever-you-like drift. Notice how when you drift, the bike starts by slipping a lot towards the opposite direction, like karts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG7__DmR6ow&hd=1&t=1m29s
This is a bike with inner/inside/in drift. As soon as the drift starts, the bike doesn't slip towards the opposite direction and turns at a very sharp angle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOD4dCD1fNg&hd=1&t=1m35s
RobFox64tm
Member
Didn't some Kart combinations in 7 give you the ability to do inline turning though? I would assume it'd be the same deal in 8.
SoraanTribal
Member
Oh okay, I think I see what you mean. I didn't really play a ton of Mario Kart Wii (wasn't a big fan of it tbh), so I didn't experiment with the bikes all that much. Interesting.