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No it was made for Game Developers by Game Developers
Which is good for gamers.
No it was made for Game Developers by Game Developers
Small correction, the hypothetical PS4 would have used GDDR5 + eDRAM. GDDR5 would have been 128bit bus and not 256bit, as seen here:
Lol at everyone trying to turn it into a dig at MS, it's not.
This setup would have been more complected to program for. They just choose to go with the easier to progrom for model, and added a few things that developers would need to explore as time moves on.
I know it's stupid to say but i would have preferred the eDRAM setup. It's a challenge but so what? Not as challenging as the cell i bet, and it would have future proofed the system that much more. But i can't deny that in the end the ps4 is a beautifully architected system.
I know it's stupid to say but i would have preferred the eDRAM setup. It's a challenge but so what? Not as challenging as the cell i bet, and it would have future proofed the system that much more. But i can't deny that in the end the ps4 is a beautifully architected system.
That was a fantastic presentation. The bit about "Time to Triangle" stood out to me. Decreasing the development complexity/time so dramatically from PS3 to PS4 should have a major effect on development cost (I'd love if anyone could elaborate more on that, though). If the PS4 is both more powerful and less complex than the competition I imagine that also makes the platform more appealing for developers.
Interesting stories, perhaps in hindsight they chose the wrong guy to test out the Cell when building the PS3. The average programmer may have raised concerns about the complexity issue.
It's really kinda something you've gotta watch. A lot of personal anecdotes and stories that only make sense to hear them.Busy to watch the video, could someone recap what he says if that's no problem?
Please tell me I'm not the only one who secretly wishes this man was my HS teachers/university professor?
Anyone?
256-bit bus/ GDDR5
176 GB per second
VS
128-bit bus/ GDDR5
88 GB per second
+Small eDRAM
1 TB per second
uh....
I know this is absolutely irrelevant but I always thought Mark Cerny was actually gay but he mentions he has been married to a very nice lady for the last twenty-five years.
I know this is absolutely irrelevant but I always thought Mark Cerny was actually gay but he mentions he has been married to a very nice lady for the last twenty-five years.
That kind of ram bandwith would have been insane. Damn. Would games even be able to take advantage of all that?
Busy to watch the video, could someone recap what he says if that's no problem?
-Cerny was really angry with the way the PS3 turned out, and at one point couldn't handle it anymore.
-He burst into Ken Kutaragi's office and said I'M IN CHARGE NOW MOTHERFUCKER.
-After doing several lines of cocaine with Shuhei Yoshida he jotted down the entire spec design of the PS4 on a cocktail napkin.
-He mentioned something about brainwashing, and Phil Harrison, but the audio cut out so I couldn't quite get that part.
That's about it I think.
-Cerny was really angry with the way the PS3 turned out, and at one point couldn't handle it anymore.
-He burst into Ken Kutaragi's office and said I'M IN CHARGE NOW MOTHERFUCKER.
-After doing several lines of cocaine with Shuhei Yoshida he jotted down the entire spec design of the PS4 on a cocktail napkin.
-He mentioned something about brainwashing, and Phil Harrison, but the audio cut out so I couldn't quite get that part.
That's about it I think.
I know this is absolutely irrelevant but I always thought Mark Cerny was actually gay but he mentions he has been married to a very nice lady for the last twenty-five years.
I could listen to this guy all day.
Someone needs to get Cerny and John Carmack on stage talking tech. I could listen to them both for hours.
It's a trap:
Cerny said in the presentation that 176GB/s is bigger than 1088GB/s even if the numbers don't show it. If you go with the latter (which is also the cheaper design) you'll only have 88GB/s for the major part of the data. The 1000GB/s are available for an extremely tiny piece of data.
Cerny's explanation was a kick in the nuts of Microsoft.
I thought that was the most interesting aspect about the choices they made with the PS4. I love the Ken Kutaragi anecdote he mentioned and then said, "I'm not Ken Kutaragi" Ken likely/possibly would have went the 1088GB route, but I like Mark's reasoning for why going with 176GB/s route will ultimately be better for the platform as a whole, across every developer being better able to build games quicker and push the platform forward faster.
It's a trap:
Cerny said in the presentation that 176GB/s is bigger than 1088GB/s even if the numbers don't show it. If you go with the latter (which is also the cheaper design) you'll only have 88GB/s for the major part of the data. The 1000GB/s are available for an extremely tiny piece of data.
Cerny's explanation was a kick in the nuts of Microsoft.
I know this is absolutely irrelevant but I always thought Mark Cerny was actually gay but he mentions he has been married to a very nice lady for the last twenty-five years.
BOW BEFORE ME http://youtu.be/ns21_nMzVFM?t=2m35s
Ohhhhhh. I missed the part where he said you can only get 1TB if the data is in eDRAM. But couldn't you just stream data to it often or something?
when you think about it, doesn't this kind of go against his thinking of quality over quantity?
University at age 16? What the fuuuucccccck.
when you think about it, doesn't this kind of go against his thinking of quality over quantity?
Please tell me I'm not the only one who secretly wishes this man was my HS teachers/university professor?
Anyone?
Oh so thats it. If they went that route it would've meant cutting the bus in half and the only way you could get that monster bandwidth depended on the size of the edram. So if it was 32mb that was the only space saturated with bandwidth, then the rest is 88gb across the system instead of a constant 176. NO THANKS!!!It's a trap:
Cerny said in the presentation that 176GB/s is bigger than 1088GB/s even if the numbers don't show it. If you go with the latter (which is also the cheaper design) you'll only have 88GB/s for the major part of the data. The 1000GB/s are available for an extremely tiny piece of data.
Cerny's explanation was a kick in the nuts of Microsoft.
-Cerny was really angry with the way the PS3 turned out, and at one point couldn't handle it anymore.
-He burst into Ken Kutaragi's office and said I'M IN CHARGE NOW MOTHERFUCKER.
-After doing several lines of cocaine with Shuhei Yoshida he jotted down the entire spec design of the PS4 on a cocktail napkin.
-He mentioned something about brainwashing, and Phil Harrison, but the audio cut out so I couldn't quite get that part.
That's about it I think.
Yes, just like you did with SPUs on Cell.Ohhhhhh. I missed the part where he said you can only get 1TB if the data is in eDRAM. But couldn't you just stream data to it often or something?