You do know that Lucas was the primary creative force for the Clone Wars series, right?
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Mark Hamill defends the Star Wars prequels, angry with about how Jake Lloyd was treat
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You do know that Lucas was the primary creative force for the Clone Wars series, right?
Atom Heart Mother
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If yall are interested, here's his steam profile: http://steamcommunity.com/id/jakelloyd/
Guy's a big RPG gamer. Props to him, seems cool!
Guy's a big RPG gamer. Props to him, seems cool!
Generalpsyduck
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Of course not. No one deserves that much vitriol for a movie.
brandonh83
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He's obsessed with Dark Souls lol. I had him on Facebook a few years back and it's all he talked about and would frequently do streams.
Raonak
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I retroactively appreciate Phantom Menace after watching Force Awakens.
At least the Phantom Menace actually tried doing something somewhat different instead of reshashing every single plotpoint from the original starwars for some cheap nostalgia bait.
TFA was a good movie, but damn, did it feel super safe in the plot department.
At least the Phantom Menace actually tried doing something somewhat different instead of reshashing every single plotpoint from the original starwars for some cheap nostalgia bait.
TFA was a good movie, but damn, did it feel super safe in the plot department.
George Lucas was not the primary creative force on the Clone Wars in comparison to showrunner Dave Filoni, no.
The prequels are complete fucking garbage, but the best performance by a child in history wouldn't have saved the first film. Lucas did an amazing job of turning quality actors into cardboard cutouts. It's a shame that people treated it like the actor playing Anakin was even on the top 100 problems of that movie.
I wonder if Hamill knows about Darth Icky.
Like, is that better or worse than whatever Lucas would spitball back in the day.
Like, is that better or worse than whatever Lucas would spitball back in the day.
Sixfortyfive
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I said back then that Anakin was the most insufferable part of that movie and I'm pretty sure I'd still feel that way upon a rewatch.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Lloyd caught a lot of really undue, personal hate. But it's not like many of the other actors could do anything with the painfully dull lines that they all had to deliver, either.
Smiles and Cries
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Damn, I didn't know that about Lloyd. What a sad state of affairs.
The prequels were abjectly horrible films.. The result of something that can happen only if someone who is completely inept at writing and directing somehow ends up at the helm. This is rare, and that's why large budget movies this bad are also rare. It's kind of amazing. They are not competently constructed pieces of film making.
But yeah, it's wrong to hate on Jake Lloyd. He was just a little kid who read George's shitty script as best he could.
But yeah, it's wrong to hate on Jake Lloyd. He was just a little kid who read George's shitty script as best he could.
Generalpsyduck
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Thats hilarious!
Fancyarcher
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Well, he's not exactly wrong. Just cause the prequels weren't really any good, doesn't mean fanboys have to threaten actors because they were in the films. That's just crazy and insane.
Damn.. I had no idea he was in such bad shape, even after all the stuff I already knew. 
Hope he gets better.
If you're gunna make this surface level argument I don't think you get to use TPM as an example of not doing the bolded.
I think people forget how much shit was actually rehashed in EP1. But.. it's George Lucas so it's all original, right?
Hope he gets better.If you're gunna make this surface level argument I don't think you get to use TPM as an example of not doing the bolded.
I think people forget how much shit was actually rehashed in EP1. But.. it's George Lucas so it's all original, right?
Alex Anderson
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I'm kinda thinking things turn out similarly for Lloyd even if the movie had been great.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Well assuming things would have gone the other way and he were actually respected for his performance in a positively received film, I seriously doubt he would have had the same problems (ie getting picked on, made fun of).
I think it's a problem generally that any objection to specific criticisms is conflated with the act of defending something against all criticisms. Saying he "defends" the movie is true, but it doesn't let anyone on to the fact he's defending it only from criticism he considers over the top and not criticism generally. I think without saying otherwise people just assume the latter.
GuessMyUserName
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Once again I gotta say I never understood the hatred for Child Anakin at all. He was a cool and talented kid.
Spiritreaver
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Didn't Ahmed Best also get a lot of crap for being Jar Jar? He wasn't a kid, but that's still sad if so.
Oh wow, this is the first time I'm seeing this. It's sad, my fiance's brother went to high school with him and he was picked on relentlessly even there.
ultracal31
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This, a lot of people tend to cite "but original!" as their go to why EP1 is somehow better than TFA.
You can keep this then:
On topic I'd say I don't even blame the actor behind jar jar for what happened with EP1 as like Jake he's only being directed by Lucas
Megalosaro
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Jake Lloyd did alright. It was Hayden who was bad... and I don't think that was his fault, based on some of his other roles
Yes very much so.
The hardcore fans are nuts.
And good on mark defending the prequels, they are really entertaining films. Some people are just hard to please
Were you asleep last year during the Ghostbusters mass tantrum?
Terribly written character and the acting was bad. While this was partly due to bad direction and editing, of course, when I see footage like this I have to wonder why he was cast. The third kid was better.
That said, the first movie didn't even need to exist. Nothing is accomplished in that movie except midichlorians. The villain they set up dies (at least until the cartoon said he's not dead, but that's irrelevant to the trilogy), Qui-Gon dies, Obi Wan does nothing, and Anakin does nothing. We could have started things out with episode 2 and not missed anything.
Yeah. Ruined his life. There was nothing Jingle All the Way could do.
Jeevesmeister
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Hey, I know where that guy lives! I used to date his neighbor when I lived in LA and ran into him a couple times, he's a nice fellow.
That's the worst part of the movie! The most common trope of fantasy tales is the kid who doesn't come from noble birth proving himself worthy of Knighthood - saying it's "in your blood" and making it out to be so fucking dumb, to the point he was literally Jesus and his mom was impregnated by the Force or what the fuck ever was the worst thing ever done to Star Wars as far as the "canon" is concerned. Don't even get me started on the Jedi robes uniform bullshit. The second you start thinking about it, none of it makes any sense at all.
flintstryker
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This is why people shouldn't take some shitty fucking movie series so damn seriously, poor kid.
Generalpsyduck
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Thats sucks. Bullying is the worst...
He still took it pretty hard. He thought people would like it and was legitimately disappointed with what happened, if I remember correctly.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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The performance and movie was and continues to be terrible, but that's no reason to harass/bully a kid.
Sato Koiji
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Jake Lloyd is in a psychiatric facility right now? I liked him as Anakin.
He's not defending them. He's just saying the crazy ass criticism like "George Lucas raped my childhood" is absurd and stupid.
He even referred to Jake's lines as being "clunky dialogue".
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George Lucas is probably pretty good as a general creative force. The prequels did have a lot of potential, and I would credit him for being able to create the potential even if he squandered it.
Maybe if for the prequels he was a very hands on producer, instead of the director and screenwriter, the prequels would have been really good.
To be fair, Hayden Christensen already had several roles under his belt by the time he got Anakin and it was clear he was going to have a career beyond Star Wars, thanks to the praise he got for both Life as a House and Shattered Glass that served as bookends for Episode 2. Jake Lloyd more or less went straight from Jingle All the Way to Episode 1, and with the kind of venom he received, I don't doubt for a second that whatever acting ambitions that he had were cut short as a result.
I guess the difference here is that Christensen could clearly take that heat, but he had the advantage of being an adult actor. Kids like Jake are rarely that hardy.
Strangelove77
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That was a good amount of nerd rage, but it wasn't anywhere close to Star Wars prequel nerd rage.
Well, that is a personal opinion, I suppose.
I think that's because there were three prequels and that people who weren't super fans thought they were bad too. Ghostbusters was received as just a pretty average movie by general audiences without a vested interest.
I dont remember feeling almost insulted at the sickening pandering at every turn while watching TPM, that movie has very different problems that of TFA.
I don't think he was treated the same, as far as I know. Jake had to grow up in grade school with the fact that he was a big part of the prequel criticism. Sure, they're both ridiculed online based on the fact that their performances were terrible (regardless of who was responsible), but Jake had to actually LIVE it during the most crucial/trying stages of human development/interaction.
I've seen Hayden in other things and although he's better I don't think he's a good actor, by any means.
But again.. this is all George's doing and decision making. He's the key to all this. Even when presented with clearly better alternatives (look up young Anakin auditions), he consistently made horrible decisions.
You can make a compelling argument that TFA has more "callbacks", but not that TPM doesn't have nearly the exact same story beats of ANH. Which is what I had originally highlighted in your post. You can apply the exact same surface criticisms to both TFA and TPM in that regard.
But people are unwilling to recognize this fact because George Lucas was in charge of virtually all major creative decisions in regard to the PT. And naturally.. since he created SW, he couldn't have copied any of his previous films/done something unoriginal.. right?
CaviarMeths
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I've read opinion this so many times that I think I'm just conditioned to yawn at it as an instinctual reaction.
Good on Mark.
He was a child actor with bad dialogue with all his yippeeees and stuff but he did the job he was given.
As a kid I loved Phantom Menace, saw it in theatres for someones birthday party and loved it and owned the toys / games and didn't have any issues but having re watched them this year I could definitely see why an older audience would be super disappointed by Jar Jar and Anakin but that isn't the kids fault and the horrible people who came after him should be ashamed.
He was a child actor with bad dialogue with all his yippeeees and stuff but he did the job he was given.
As a kid I loved Phantom Menace, saw it in theatres for someones birthday party and loved it and owned the toys / games and didn't have any issues but having re watched them this year I could definitely see why an older audience would be super disappointed by Jar Jar and Anakin but that isn't the kids fault and the horrible people who came after him should be ashamed.
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