Thats fine keeping expectations low, would love winter soldier being in the game
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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster |DT2| oh dear...
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Thats fine keeping expectations low, would love winter soldier being in the game
Deckard Chapel
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Doctrine Dark
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Also ran up a wall and dodged lasers.
2 El Gigante's weren't even a match for him.
2 El Gigante's weren't even a match for him.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
Read the above two quotes. Those are just two reasons among the myriad of reasons why Leon is the bomb.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I actually laughed out loud at the posts on the last page hoping for an eventual 60+ character roster.
Although maybe that's feasible if they just crank out as many low-effort MvC3 character transplants as possible.
Although maybe that's feasible if they just crank out as many low-effort MvC3 character transplants as possible.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
I agree.
Marvel VS. Capcom as we all know it, is sadly a thing of the past.
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and even Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 spoiled us
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Can't wait for that stage, and I hope that we might see Hell's Kitchen x Metro City.
Turbanator
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You want this game delayed 3-5 years just to add the DLC characters?
You know that if they couldn't charge for them, we just wouldn't get them past Season 1, right?
TBF we don't know what the situation is with Marvel and Capcom's contract. The game may have been signed to a rigid release window before SFV came out and underperformed.
I feel like if the situation was reversed (MvCI first, then SFV), SFV would possibly have been delayed for polish.
We'd likely see Bucky as DLC in that case. As we've seen with SFV, when Capcom goes through the effort of modeling and voicing an NPC for the story mode, they likely have bigger plans for that character.
Even then, only Kolin & Ed became playable of SFV's Cinematic Story Mode NPCs, and their models were redone from scratch for their playable incarnations. There aren't even any rumors pointing towards Abel being playable.
Other than acting like head in the sand politicians, I don't understand Capcom's behavior at all. Shoving bland characters at us and acting like it's the greatest thing in the world is insulting and it's become tiresome.
I appreciate Combofiend's efforts and input to MVC:I but movesets and gameplay aren't going to sell this game alone. You need exciting characters to play. Even taking into consideration the limbo status of X-Men/FF, there is a wealth of characters from the marvel comic book universe and Capcom games to pull from.
If Capcom wants stronger pre-order sales they need to step up their marketing. If for whatever reason they don't want to reveal more of the roster at this point, start giving us serious hints about what's coming. Capcom needs to give gamers/potential customers more confidence that they have heard us and are trying to give us the game we want/deserve.
Jawmuncher
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Yeah the marketing has been total shit. It's pretty bad when you're being showed up by Smash Brothers, despite having a comic company tied to your title.
Like this is the sort of stuff I felt like we'd be seeing by now. Especially 3 months out. It should feel like a celebration. Hopefully those upcoming comic covers and such fix things, but considering the current look of the box art. I'm not holding much hope.
It's little things like this that help a lot
Like this is the sort of stuff I felt like we'd be seeing by now. Especially 3 months out. It should feel like a celebration. Hopefully those upcoming comic covers and such fix things, but considering the current look of the box art. I'm not holding much hope.
It's little things like this that help a lot
Have no idea how this game will do TBH.
For some reason the backlash doesn't feel nearly as bad as it was for SFV as an overall package, people knew that was a shell of a game going into it and they've marketed MvCI explicitly (and even put SFV down) to target those concerns, but they haven't shown a sizzle reel of all the modes, and post-Chun debacle, the time for general audiences caring is waning. Also, with the Polygon article and all, people were told not to support this game from the jump and it struck and emotional nerve with people's feelings about Capcom, and you see that sentiment across core gamers. To that shitty article's credit though, we still haven't seen that stuff so the skepticism is somewhat warranted.
Seems like the core FGC are mostly on board after VS demo footage/details came out, and the people screaming the loudest weren't going to buy it anyways and are the usual that have ill will towards Capcom. Tastemakers and popular media outlets like Max and Joe are positive, but not necessarily overly enthusiastic, which is where people's concerns about a heavy DLC focus, roster/X-Men, and aesthetics can push people over the edge to say, y'know? Maybe down the line but not right now at full price.
Overall, it feels like there's a net negative reception the game even beyond hardcore gamers. But bomb to the degree that SFV did? I don't think so. Perhaps MvCI is the true test of Capcom's brand strength, if SFV wasn't already. You've got a much healthier package than SFV was with a lot more effort put into it, but do people care anymore or how willing are they to look past the negatives?
Do people even know it has lobbies, gallery mode etc. at launch or was that all tucked away into text and show floor interviews that a small contingent read? And even if they did, there's a somewhat warranted cynicism that paints expectations of Capcom fulfilling their promises.
Tl;dr: Underperforms, probably not as bad as SFV.
For some reason the backlash doesn't feel nearly as bad as it was for SFV as an overall package, people knew that was a shell of a game going into it and they've marketed MvCI explicitly (and even put SFV down) to target those concerns, but they haven't shown a sizzle reel of all the modes, and post-Chun debacle, the time for general audiences caring is waning. Also, with the Polygon article and all, people were told not to support this game from the jump and it struck and emotional nerve with people's feelings about Capcom, and you see that sentiment across core gamers. To that shitty article's credit though, we still haven't seen that stuff so the skepticism is somewhat warranted.
Seems like the core FGC are mostly on board after VS demo footage/details came out, and the people screaming the loudest weren't going to buy it anyways and are the usual that have ill will towards Capcom. Tastemakers and popular media outlets like Max and Joe are positive, but not necessarily overly enthusiastic, which is where people's concerns about a heavy DLC focus, roster/X-Men, and aesthetics can push people over the edge to say, y'know? Maybe down the line but not right now at full price.
Overall, it feels like there's a net negative reception the game even beyond hardcore gamers. But bomb to the degree that SFV did? I don't think so. Perhaps MvCI is the true test of Capcom's brand strength, if SFV wasn't already. You've got a much healthier package than SFV was with a lot more effort put into it, but do people care anymore or how willing are they to look past the negatives?
Do people even know it has lobbies, gallery mode etc. at launch or was that all tucked away into text and show floor interviews that a small contingent read? And even if they did, there's a somewhat warranted cynicism that paints expectations of Capcom fulfilling their promises.
Tl;dr: Underperforms, probably not as bad as SFV.
It's kinda hard to have a celebration when the dev's primary concern seems to be how much money they can get out of fans post launch.
The Overwatch model is perfect for fighters. All the characters and maps are free, while all the cosmetics are obtained to lootboxes and credits from duplicates.
When's Blizzard fighting game? I am going to die of old age waiting for Capcom to do something pro-consumer like that.
Doesn't Overwatch get a lot of shit for how they handle loot boxes?
Sure they do, but it's still a much better system than the SFV one that charges 6 bucks per character.
Or Fight Money, which has become easier to earn.
I hate lootboxes personally. I value my time.
There's enough characters and content in SF5 now that you can earn characters pretty reliably. If I don't want to grind, I prefer being able to spend money on exactly what I want.
The DOA5 f2p route is great too.
The Broken Ska Record
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I mean, MvC2 was pretty much made with transplants from just about every Capcom figher thrown in. So it does have precedent.
That's a good point. I play so much Overwatch that I get enough credits to buy every skin I want.
The thing is they are offering the content that affects the game (characters/maps) for free. Characters are obviously the blood of a fighting game, and they should be accessible to all imo.
/shrug
Take that to fighting games in general, then. No game out there is offering characters for free.
A free to start system would work really well with these games (all fighters, imo) for sure.
There's ARMS
FTFY, paid expansions do nothing but split the player base.
(I view the character packs as expansions.)
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
At least Blizzard is listening to the fanbase and makes adjustments as they go along such as earning lootboxes faster or reducing dupe rates.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Like a year later?
DR2K
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Capcom fans wish they could get their complaints addressed in a years span.
Turbanator
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Outside of Arcade mode, most of SFV's worst problems were solved by December.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Lets not kid ourselves SFV is still a total mess. Ridiculous loading times for everything.
Game still needing to restart for patches, something no other modern game does.
Hour long maintenance downtimes, another thing unheard of for most modern games.
I can find a match in Overwatch with 11 other people faster than I can find one opponent in SFV.
First of all Overwatch does not put characters behind Lootboxes, it's only cosmetics. That's a massive difference between general fighting game models these days and Overwatch.
Secondly, we already have lootboxes in the FGs... it's called Injustice 2. And that game also charges you for characters so it's taking the shit stuff from both sides of the spectrum for maximum greed.
Thirdly, do not compare Capcom products to Blizzard products. Just sit down and be humble.
You want to know why Overwatch is more successful than SFV? It's not content, it's not FPS vs fighters, it's not the model. It's the fact that every second in Overwatch from the minute you boot up the game to you starting to play the game is fluid, polished as fuck and quick. The guy above me is not kidding, I can easily play a bunch of matches in Overwatch before doing so in SFV... I don't even have time to react and go get a drink in between matches in Overwatch. And I don't even play Overwatch or am a big fan of shooters these days.. but there is a world of a difference in the polish of Overwatch vs SFV.
Secondly, we already have lootboxes in the FGs... it's called Injustice 2. And that game also charges you for characters so it's taking the shit stuff from both sides of the spectrum for maximum greed.
Thirdly, do not compare Capcom products to Blizzard products. Just sit down and be humble.
You want to know why Overwatch is more successful than SFV? It's not content, it's not FPS vs fighters, it's not the model. It's the fact that every second in Overwatch from the minute you boot up the game to you starting to play the game is fluid, polished as fuck and quick. The guy above me is not kidding, I can easily play a bunch of matches in Overwatch before doing so in SFV... I don't even have time to react and go get a drink in between matches in Overwatch. And I don't even play Overwatch or am a big fan of shooters these days.. but there is a world of a difference in the polish of Overwatch vs SFV.
DR2K
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Nope. As of this moment there's a server maintence for 3 costumes.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Long maintenance for few minor contents never fail to make me amused. I'm going to expect same thing for MVC:I as well.
I'm expecting the opposite considering that's one of the reasons they decided not to use CFN for MvCI.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Oh yeah! They're getting rid of it and going with dedicated servers.
SFV experience varies from one player to another, since the new the cfn update i can get matched with another player in casual or ranked matches in less than 40 seconds most of the time, and for the loading time i think Tekken 7 (which somehow no one mentiones it's long loading times despite being worse than SFV) proved it's UE4 problem.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Same here. I usually find the matches pretty fast but i have heard about some people having rotten luck with it.
Not dedicated servers, but their own servers for tracking stats.
I expect basically what we got in UMvC3, but that's better than the server solution in SFV.
shadowstar
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The fact that these topics are filled with doom and gloom and any time a news topic is posted, it appears to exist solely for "this game is shit" drive by posts, tell me this game is going to bomb hard. If GAF posters are slightly more knowledgeable than your average gamer (they maybe seek out some positive impressions of the E3 demo) and they still post this way en masse, I can't imagine how the general public will react. The social media echo chamber of trashing this game will only grow even if they fix the faces or whatever else the next perceived issue is. It's the "a woman decides within the first 30 seconds of meeting a guy if she's going to sleep with him" cliche (or truth) in gamer form. It's what happened to the XBox One release.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I'm gonna say this before someone else does: NeoGAF isnt always an accurate predictor of commercial success.
HOWEVER with that said, there is an air of negativity surrounding this game which will be very hard to shake off by launch and will cripple the game's sales potential if Capcom can't turn the narrative around.
This game definitely doesnt seem to have resonated with the mainstream either. If they're going for the casual MCU fan, why would they buy this for $60 and then pay another $30 for the season pass when they can just play the mobile game for free.
The Broken Ska Record
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I do wonder how they can even attempt to turn around the negativity at this point. Like, what could the possibly do this close to release?
Scrap the game, release Alpha, CVS and SF3 series for current gen and PC, along with Marvel 2.
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