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Marvel vs DC: Who has the better villains?

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He's not been done much/well outside of the comics after all.

He's been done decently well in various Marvel games. MvC3 does him good justice with his lines, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and Marvel Heroes give him a solid arc.

I have to ask, as someone who doesn't really read comics and gets Marvel/DC exposure from games, movies, tv etc what's so special about Dr Doom?

Let me quote myself from another thread (this was in response to somebody calling him a failure of a villain ruling a pile of rubble, just so you understand the context):
He's not a failure of a villain, and I don't know what kind of expectations you have from a country if Latveria is a "hole in the ground" for you.

First, let's talk Latveria.
It originally was a tiny Eastern European shithole, poor and ravaged by years of war. Then Doom rose to power and cleaned it up, eventually making it a super power. In the current Marvel Universe, Latveria is one of the world's strongest countries economically and militarily, it easily measures up to the real world's US or China, and has only the fraction of their size and (human) manpower.
But Doom did not do this based in slavery. He created an army of robotic servants that keep the peace and infrastructure of Latveria smooth. His people love him, and in most depictions of Doom, he cares about his country and his people as well. He never endangers his population directly, only using his own Doombots (and himself) for his operations.

Now, Doom himself. Yes, he's a mustache twirler and has an ego the size of Jupiter, but he's the epitome of the mustache twirler and egomaniac. Doom was one of the pioneers of that particular type of villain within comic books. He is driven by his hatred for Reed Richards at first, but eventually this turns into his belief that his sole purpose is to govern Earth and lead it to glory under his rule. This goes to the point that he is willing to work with his enemies, even the man he so utterly hates - Reed Richards - to preserve the planet from destruction in the case of bigger threats. After all, if Earth doesn't exist anymore, what would be there for him to rule?
His ambition and his desire for revenge made him become a super genius in basically all fields of science. He is on the same level as Richards in basically all regards. But he also dabbled into the fields of the supernatural, becoming a sorcerer almost as powerful as Dr. Strange. Speaking of which - he teamed up with Strange to go into hell and beat up Mephisto to save the soul of Mama Doom.
And most of all, he just doesn't take any shit from anybody. You can be a peasant or a cosmic entity, Doom will shittalk you, and then continue to do whatever Doom pleases. Heck, when Loki visited him, he poisons the food just for shits and giggles.

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Doom isn't a failed villain, over the decades he's been built to be one of the most powerful men on Earth, and rightfully so. He is insanely intelligent, has vast amounts of knowledge, has nigh limitless amounts of tech gadgets, is one of the most powerful magicians of the planet and heads one of the most advanced and powerful nations in the world, a nation that he himself brought to where it is now.
And to top it off, he knows all that, and that's why Doom doesn't take shit from anybody.
 
I mean Dr. Doom and Thanos alone win this for Marvel let alone when you start delving in to awesome villains like Magneto, Kang, Annihilus, MODOK, Ultron, Galactus, Red Skull, Kingpin, etc...

Like no contest.

Yea DC outside of Batman sucks
 
I like how DC villains subscribe to the Unbreakable arch-nemesis principle: for every hero, there's an exact opposite

Superman/Lex Luthor
Batman/Joker
Green Lantern/Sinestro
The Flash/Zoom
Aquaman/Black Mantra
Wonder Woman/Cheetah
Shazam/Black Adam

Poor Wonder Woman. Could it at least be Dr. Psycho?
 
He is a villain that can't be beaten by his weaknesses because he doesn't have any.

Plus he's absolutely deranged and has no respect for life.
You drop him in the Marvel universe and he'll be dead and forgotten in a week, Deadpool might play golf with him first tho.
 
This is not a thing from what it depends what you are thinking.
Something is well known or it is not.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say...?

This topic isn't about who has the more well-known villains. It's subjective opinions on who has the better villains. And generally speaking I don't think Spider-Man's villains are very good.
 
You'd have to look before Secret Wars, since marvel suspended all of it's titles for it and no one knows what's going on in the fall.

From March:

Spider Gwen
Amazing Spider Man
Silk
Spider Man 2099
Spider Man and the Xmen
Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider Man
Amazing Spider Man Special
Mighty Avengers (This is the Avengers book with Spidey on it)

so about 8 for that month. 9 if you want to count Spider Woman in as a related book.

Batman had about the same for that month, not counting reprints.

Batman: Arkham Knight
Harley Quinn
Grayson
Detective Comics
Batman Eternal
Batman and Robin
Batman/Superman
Batgirl Endgame
Justice League United

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2015/2015-03.html

But that Batman list is still missing some titles, like Gotham by Midnight , Batman 66, Catwoman, and Gotham Academy. And now they've also added Batmite, Red Hood/Arsenal, Robin Son of Batman and We Are Robin. So there's still twice as many on Batman side.
 
Why is the Joker so popular? I cannot stand the character.

He's the embodiment of pure chaos. He has no grand plan, no end goal other than to hurt people and toy with Batman. He's the polar opposite of Batman, and I think that's a big part of why despite not having superpowers the two are so revered.
 
I'm struggling to think of anything (non batman or superman related) with any kind of budget before marvel's C-list blew up with the avengers. The 90s flash series?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_based_on_DC_Comics

looks like it was that and swamp thing- neither of which is anything to write home about.

If DC would be williing to copy Marvel so completely those C-listers would be getting their own movies, not tv shows.
DC has been active on TV for two decades. To attribute their work there to Marvel's influence is just plain unfair.
 
If DC would be williing to copy Marvel so completely those C-listers would be getting their own movies, not tv shows.
DC has been active on TV for two decades. To attribute their work there to Marvel's influence is just plain unfair.

Nobody is saying that DC is copying Marvel entirely. But it's obvious that Marvel's success with their B-list properties has given DC the motivation to do so with their own. Or rather, the fact that Marvel is making bank with those properties means that you can sell superhero movies on more than just brand name.

Or do you really think we'd get Suicide Squad if Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. had utterly bombed?
 
If DC would be williing to copy Marvel so completely those C-listers would be getting their own movies, not tv shows.
DC has been active on TV for two decades. To attribute their work there to Marvel's influence is just plain unfair.

one more before I go- DC/Warner is limited in the amount of movies they can field at once, at least compared to Disney/Sony/Fox.

They ARE giving their C-listers movies (cyborg is up for his own film IIRC), but are very late to the party and can't crank them out as fast.

see you

Nobody is saying that DC is copying Marvel entirely. But it's obvious that Marvel's success with their B-list properties has given DC the motivation to do so with their own. Or rather, the fact that Marvel is making bank with those properties means that you can sell superhero movies on more than just brand name.

Or do you really think we'd get Suicide Squad if Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. had utterly bombed?

exactly.
 
But that Batman list is still missing some titles, like Gotham by Midnight , Batman 66, Catwoman, and Gotham Academy. And now they've also added Batmite, Red Hood/Arsenal, Robin Son of Batman and We Are Robin. So there's still twice as many on Batman side.

There are 17 Batbooks(including minis) vs 12 Spider ongoings excluding teams books. They have clearly been developing Spider-Man and his "family".
 
Nobody is saying that DC is copying Marvel entirely. But it's obvious that Marvel's success with their B-list properties has given DC the motivation to do so with their own. Or rather, the fact that Marvel is making bank with those properties means that people are willing to ignore something they're not so familiar with as long as it's a fun movie to watch. That you can sell superhero movies on more than just brand name.

Or do you really think we'd get Suicide Squad if Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. had utterly bombed?

I don't disagree with the influence in movies. God knows that we would never be getting this many DC movies if Marvel didn't lit fire under DC's ass.
What I object to is TV. I think we would still be getting majority of tv projects we are from DC even without Marvel's influence. DC has always put a lot of focus on TV and they've been doing their own thing there, without worrying about what anyone else is doing.
I will say more..I think we wouldn't be getting all those Netflix shows with actual superheroes in them if it wasn't for DC's paving the way on TV first.
 
I think I'm gonna say DC. But Marvel has better heroes no doubt.

DC's villains are just as iconic as their heroes, which isn't the same for Marvel imo.

Same belief here, Marvel has some okay villains but mainly odd and boring ones - Dc has some amazing villains for its biggest hero's and even its lesser ones

on the subject of heroes, Marvel has better heroes - Dc has Batman (but Arrow and Flash have pushed those up in peoples minds) you could argue Batman > all other heroes
 
Spider-Man is absolutely MASSIVE in Asia and Europe. Has been long before the superhero craze started.

Suicide Squad has been in development since at least 2009. For whatever reason DC has always wanted to make that movie.

OK, well, then let's say Shazam, Aquaman, Cyborg, Green Lantern, etc.
 
Suicide Squad has been in development since at least 2009. For whatever reason DC has always wanted to make that movie.

I imagine Suicide Squad is a concept that would work at boxoffice even if the movie industry would never catch the superheroes craze. Movies about teams of antiheroes stuffed with big name actors have worked well for decades, from Dirty Dozen and Where Eagles Dare, through Ocean 17 and Italian Job and ending with most recent Red and Expendables.

The only way a movie like that is flopping is if it's either terrible or if you don't hire A-listers for it (which is what happened to Loosers., hilariously another DC Comics property)
 
DC has Vertigo in it's legacy, that alone will forever stop it from sucking :)

yup

Transmetropolitan
Preacher
Sandman
Lucifer

Some of my favourite comics ever came out of Vertigo.

Though I expect kickz meant in terms of villains, which is still wrong. Flash & Supes have some great villains.
 
OK, well, then let's say Shazam, Aquaman, Cyborg, Green Lantern, etc.

Well they already made a Green Lantern film before Thor and Guardians so that's another bad example. And a TV show. They've been trying to develop an Aquaman film for decades too. And a TV show. Shazam has also been in development for years, and The Rock has been rumored for Black Adam for nearly a decade. The only one is really Cyborg, and DC have been pushing him really hard since the New 52 and he was in multiple TV shows and animated movies over the past 15 years. So saying it wouldn't have happened without Marvel is a bit disingenuous. It would have happened, just nowhere near as quickly.
 
Well they already made a Green Lantern film before Thor and Guardians so that's another bad example. And a TV show. They've been trying to develop an Aquaman film for decades too. And a TV show. Shazam has also been in development for years, and The Rock has been rumored for Black Adam for nearly a decade. The only one is really Cyborg, and DC have been pushing him really hard since the New 52 and he was in multiple TV shows and animated movies over the past 15 years. So saying it wouldn't have happened without Marvel is a bit disingenuous. It would have happened, just nowhere near as quickly.

Maybe, maybe not. We never know what these concepts and developments would've resulted into if Marvel's films didn't blow up the way they did. There's plenty of abandoned movie projects after all. Remember when Marvel was talking about making a film about Runaways or She-Hulk? Yeah, good times.
 
Batman and Spider-Man are neck and neck. Batman has The Joker, which is probably the most recognizable comic villain.

Marvel also has all the X-Men villains and Dr. Doom. Add that to Spider-Man's rogues gallery and I gotta give Marvel the win.
 
Maybe, maybe not. We never know what these concepts and developments would've resulted into if Marvel's films didn't blow up the way they did. There's plenty of abandoned movie projects after all. Remember when Marvel was talking about making a film about Runaways or She-Hulk? Yeah, good times.

Maybe, maybe not, but you can't really pin it on Marvel's success when you know DC was interested in this prior to the boom. Especially Green Lantern when they had that film come out in 2011. No idea why you mentioned that property.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Wolverine's villains can rival Batman's?

Sabretooth, Omega Red, Cyber, Lady Deathstrike, Silver Samauri, Ogun, ALBERT etc

I would consider myself more knowledgeable about X-men than the average person, but never-the-less am only very casually interested in comics as a whole. I have heard of, from this list, Sabretooth, and I think Lady Deathstrike very, very vaguely rings a bell so I'll give her as a bonus.

From Batman, I can name Joker, the Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Two Face, Killer Croc, Scarecrow, Hush, Mr. Freeze, Hugo Strange, and that's after like 10 seconds brief consideration, I'm sure I could go further quite easily if I set my mind to it.

You can probably debate "better/worse" in the sense of "leads to higher quality stories and whatnot", but DC has more iconic villains in Batman's gallery alone than Marvel has put together.
 
I have to ask, as someone who doesn't really read comics and gets Marvel/DC exposure from games, movies, tv etc what's so special about Dr Doom? He's not been done much/well outside of the comics after all.

The only good representation of Doom outside of the comics was Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

I like how he gets Wasp to shut up.

Doom no sells a punch from Hulk, then slaps the Avengers around while he casually makes his way to his throne. And then he politely asks everyone to leave his country.
 
I'm not much into comics so I'm probably missing a lot but I'd have to go with marvel. DC villains just seem so boring to me even joker.
 
Hmm, so I decided to sit down and see which Marvel villains I can name from the top of my head:

Dr. Doom, Galactus, Magneto (does he even count?), Juggernaut, the general dude from Hulk who got angry in the cartoons and was the father of the love interest, Thanos, Sabretooth, Loki, Mystique, and I run out at this point unless I go to Spiderman. Spiderman I can get Venom, Carnage, Electro, Shocker, Lizard, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Mysterio, Kraven, and the Vulture.
 
I'd say Marvel's biggest villains are more established in modern pop culture, as a result of all the recent films. Batman has a rogue of known villians that are generally known, Joker, Catman, Two-face. I think if you asked the average person off the street to name a Superman villian, 9/10 people would say Lex. I don't think the average person could name a Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman villian.
 
I can't name any Green Lantern or Wonder Woman villains. Flash has Gorilla Grod and uh that one that's basically an evil Flash and is in yellow, but I can't name him. Zoom, maybe?
 
Batman mostly has Joker. The rest are very underpowered one-note thugs who got left behind when DC buffed Batman to god levels to please the TDK revisionist fans.

For example, Two-face just has a gun and bunch of poorly-trained henchman, what's he going to do against Batman's embarassment of riches, intellect and raw power.

Basically Arkham series had to import Deathstroke just to give him a fight, and poor Slade sandbagged.
 
Marvel has the better 'organizations' (HYDRA, Kingpin etc) as well as the better cosmic threat (Galactus, Nine Realms, Phoenix)

But DC gets an edge for Batman's Rogue Gallery.

Basically, it's the same with every match-up, for me I feel Batman is carrying DC on his back on every front.
 
Marvel has the better 'organizations' (HYDRA, Kingpin etc) as well as the better cosmic threat (Galactus, Nine Realms, Phoenix)

But DC gets an edge for Batman's Rogue Gallery.

Basically, it's the same with every match-up, for me I feel Batman is carrying DC on his back on every front.

Rogues tho
 
What villain did he become later?

J. Jonah Jameson became J. Jonah Jameson.

Doesn't count... He's just Perry White's opposite in personality.

Maybe so. But he's one of Spider-Man's most important and biggest and most influental adversaries. And don't think just because he's a civilian or eventually came around means he's a good guy, quite the opposite.
He is the one who created the Scorpion in order to kill Spider-Man. He is the one who funded the research of the Smythes to create the Spider-Slayers. He was out to murder Spider-Man.
 
Not when it comes to magical side :) DC has been doing amazing in this area with barely any Batman appearances.

While I love Zatanna as a character and concept (and she's really the only DC character I'm interested in comic-wise), I think Marvel also has a really strong magical/supernatural corner. It just is drowned out by everything else, and usually just represented by Dr. Strange in crossovers.
 
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