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Marvels Secret Wars by Hickman & Ribic |OT| Everything ends... Everything begins

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Started reading my first Fantastic Four (Hickman's)
Whoa so this secret wars was planned this long because they are talking about destruction of Earth

Not necessarily. Earth is always on the verge of annihilation; if it weren't Secret Wars it could have been some other event by another writer entirely. Books get cancelled, editorial changes direction, etc. But it's fun to go back and connect the dots and find allusions regardless. I don't think they've confirmed that they planned it this far ahead and so purposefully, but it'd be cool if they did.
 
Not necessarily. Earth is always on the verge of annihilation; if it weren't Secret Wars it could have been some other event by another writer entirely. Books get cancelled, editorial changes direction, etc. But it's fun to go back and connect the dots and find allusions regardless. I don't think they've confirmed that they planned it this far ahead and so purposefully, but it'd be cool if they did.


They did.


CBR: What can you tell us about the editorial origins for "Secret Wars"? Do they predate Jonathan Hickman's time on "Avengers" and "New Avengers," which is where he introduced the Incursion phenomenon?

Brevoort: They do in that Jonathan's original idea for "Secret Wars" was something that he pitched to me and that we talked about before he was ever on "Avengers." It's far enough back that I can't quite remember if he was on "Fantastic Four" yet, or if he was going to be taking over "Fantastic Four," or if he was just working on "Secret Warriors." When he first pitched this idea of a "Secret Wars" book, it was back then. Then in the aftermath of "Avengers vs. X-Men," the Avengers books were open and we talked about doing "Avengers." That's where he said, "Okay, why don't we do the 'Secret Wars' idea here?" And that's the direction we've been headed towards ever since. So as an actual on the books, in comics idea, it goes back at least as far as the #1 issue of this current volume of "Avengers," but as a concept it goes back further. In fact, there are little seeds sprinkled through things that Jonathan did earlier that are relevant.
 
There is already so many books to check out I'm starting to feel a bit overwhelmed. Might have to just get the main book and check out some of the miniseries and then splurge on the hardcover collection down the line.

Oh yeah, Weirdworld #1 was awesome.
 
There is one thing I'm confused about regarding all this storyline. Does everyone just accept the fact that there are copies of them living in the other territories/zones? For example A-Force, does She-hulk understand there are other She-hulks out there? Or are the heroes in that title in particular gathered from around Battleworld?

I'm going to assume that Doom made sure there was only one Doom, Dr Strange, Sue Storm, etc
 
There is one thing I'm confused about regarding all this storyline. Does everyone just accept the fact that there are copies of them living in the other territories/zones? For example A-Force, does She-hulk understand there are other She-hulks out there? Or are the heroes in that title in particular gathered from around Battleworld?

I'm going to assume that Doom made sure there was only one Doom, Dr Strange, Sue Storm, etc

I don't think they're aware of each other. Doom keeps a pretty tight leash on info. In Hala Field they don't even know there's such a thing as space or stars in the sky, lol.
 

Even better then.

There is one thing I'm confused about regarding all this storyline. Does everyone just accept the fact that there are copies of them living in the other territories/zones? For example A-Force, does She-hulk understand there are other She-hulks out there? Or are the heroes in that title in particular gathered from around Battleworld?

I'm going to assume that Doom made sure there was only one Doom, Dr Strange, Sue Storm, etc

I think that's the main reason Doom keeps the domains segregated. They don't even know. They don't know they're all the last remnants of the multiverse. They all seem to think Battleworld is all there ever was.
 
The regular normal people probably don't know they have copies, some regions like Years of Future past don't even know there are other regions.

The barons and anyone who crosses borders would have to know obviously
 
Carol Corps is already the most compelling Captain Marvel story I've read.

Weirdworld was perfect. I need more of this, immediately. How's the old series?
 
There is one thing I'm confused about regarding all this storyline. Does everyone just accept the fact that there are copies of them living in the other territories/zones? For example A-Force, does She-hulk understand there are other She-hulks out there? Or are the heroes in that title in particular gathered from around Battleworld?

I'm going to assume that Doom made sure there was only one Doom, Dr Strange, Sue Storm, etc

I think the council of Reeds killed off or lobotomized almost all of the alternate Dooms a long time ago. Molecule man referenced this in time runs out.

There is DEFINITELY more than one Dr. Strange though. Two of them have already shown up.
 
I think the council of Reeds killed off or lobotomized almost all of the alternate Dooms a long time ago. Molecule man referenced this in time runs out.

There is DEFINITELY more than one Dr. Strange though. Two of them have already shown up.

I wonder if what Molecule Man says about Doom also applies to Reed Richards. Tons of his doppelgangers were killed off as well. It definitely applies to his dad Nathaniel Richards. There was only one of him left in the multiverse. I forget what happened with Nathaniel at the close or after Hickman's FF run.
 
I wonder if what Molecule Man says about Doom also applies to Reed Richards. Tons of his doppelgangers were killed off as well. It definitely applies to his dad Nathaniel Richards. There was only one of him left in the multiverse. I forget what happened with Nathaniel at the close or after Hickman's FF run.
He just started time traveling again.
 
The regular normal probably people don't know they have copies, some regions like Years of Future past don't even know there are other regions.

The barons and anyone who crosses borders would have to know obviously

Except there were a Thor Storm right in front of a normal X-men storm in ultimate end #2. No one seemed to have noticed.
 
I wonder if what Molecule Man says about Doom also applies to Reed Richards. Tons of his doppelgangers were killed off as well. It definitely applies to his dad Nathaniel Richards. There was only one of him left in the multiverse. I forget what happened with Nathaniel at the close or after Hickman's FF run.

It might? I can't remember any alternate Reeds showing up, Doom is fairly unlikely to intentionally create any, and i can't see them worshipping Doom as God even if they were there.
 
Carol Corps is already the most compelling Captain Marvel story I've read.

Weirdworld was perfect. I need more of this, immediately. How's the old series?

Give Jim Starlin's The Death of Captain Marvel a shot. Different Captain, but it's a good book.
 
Except there were a Thor Storm right in front of a normal X-men storm in ultimate end #2. No one seemed to have noticed.
Never said it was the same for every region. The Thors, Doom, and likely his family seem to be exceptions that everyone knows about.

Ultimate End is weird as fuck anyway, who cares what's going on there.
 
Is it better than DeConnick's first two volumes? I want to like Carol again.

Art was nice and characters were likable, but the first issue was all setup. I'm not really sure why so many writers are taking the decompressed approach with these tie-in stories considering most are like 3 issues.
 
While I hate playing the "who is the 616" game, I think the Spider-man in Ultimate End is 616. He was in the Ultimate U one time before with Miles and he knew that he could find Aunt May and Gwen. They all seem more relaxed than if some other version who had never been there before had shown up. Plus it's Bendis and this is a kind of sequel to Spider-men anyway.

Plus how awesome is it that Maria Hill 616 and U Nick Fury are together? "Hi, in my universe I basically run SHIELD while a white you and his black son are more of the face of the place. So um, consider myself hired here and I'm second in command now".
 
While I hate playing the "who is the 616" game, I think the Spider-man in Ultimate End is 616. He was in the Ultimate U one time before with Miles and he knew that he could find Aunt May and Gwen. They all seem more relaxed than if some other version who had never been there before had shown up. Plus it's Bendis and this is a kind of sequel to Spider-men anyway.

Plus how awesome is it that Maria Hill 616 and U Nick Fury are together? "Hi, in my universe I basically run SHIELD while a white you and his black son are more of the face of the place. So um, consider myself hired here and I'm second in command now".
But isn't that Spidey running around in Secret Wars? Both Spideys survived the whole battleworlding by being in the ships.
 
Don't know how many of you follow MMA so this might go over some of your guys' heads.

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It's pretty crappy but I couldn't help myself.
 
While I hate playing the "who is the 616" game, I think the Spider-man in Ultimate End is 616. He was in the Ultimate U one time before with Miles and he knew that he could find Aunt May and Gwen. They all seem more relaxed than if some other version who had never been there before had shown up. Plus it's Bendis and this is a kind of sequel to Spider-men anyway.

Plus how awesome is it that Maria Hill 616 and U Nick Fury are together? "Hi, in my universe I basically run SHIELD while a white you and his black son are more of the face of the place. So um, consider myself hired here and I'm second in command now".

we already know that spidey 616 is in the ship. So was ultimate universe miles. Neither one of those in ultimate end is the original.

edit: it was also confirmed in that interview that 616 Sue/Ben/Johnny/Franklin/Valeria are dead and gone as well. If they are, so is everyone else on that rock. It's highly likely that none of the cast of ultimate end are originals, and that particular series is essentially bad fanfiction with doom recreations.
 
edit: it was also confirmed in that interview that 616 Sue/Ben/Johnny/Franklin/Valeria are dead and gone as well. If they are, so is everyone else on that rock. It's highly likely that none of the cast of ultimate end are originals, and that particular series is essentially bad fanfiction with doom recreations.

I'm pretty sure one of the Iron Men mentioned that Doom has destroyed their realm and started over in the past. Being Bendis, that may or may not match Doom's actual MO as God of Battleworld, but at least Bendis doesn't seem to be writing the characters as original.

Obviously they aren't just going to kill 616 Hawkeye in a one off panel with no fanfare.
 
I'm pretty sure one of the Iron Men mentioned that Doom has destroyed their realm and started over in the past. Being Bendis, that may or may not match Doom's actual MO as God of Battleworld, but at least Bendis doesn't seem to be writing the characters as original.

Obviously they aren't just going to kill 616 Hawkeye in a one off panel with no fanfare.

It's ironic how a panel meant to set up stakes actually signaled that there are none for this story.
 
It's ironic how a panel meant to set up stakes actually signaled that there are none for this story.

yep. I'll probably drop this one. issues 1 and 2 were nonsense at best.

why this wasn't a "last days" title that showed what happened during the final incursion is a mystery to me.
 
yep. I'll probably drop this one. issues 1 and 2 were nonsense at best.

why this wasn't a "last days" title that showed what happened during the final incursion is a mystery to me.

I don't know. Maybe this was a story Bendis was planning on doing before Secret Wars plans for the Ultimate Universe materialized. His Spider-Man run also ended in a super rushed fashion. "We sure clobbered AIM good...wait is that a planet in the sky?"

THE END.

Makes me wish Hickman did have some involvement in the Ultimate U during that last stretch. The buildup and meaningfulness of the two worlds interacting could have meant a lot more.
 
Ultimate End Pete is really Ben. Boom.

If not, he's 100% acting like 616 Peter, so from whichever universe he's from in the end, I don't think the difference matters at all. Everyone else also seems super 616, so eh, I'm sure it'll get explained.
 
It might? I can't remember any alternate Reeds showing up, Doom is fairly unlikely to intentionally create any, and i can't see them worshipping Doom as God even if they were there.

Dear God I'm imagining a scene where Doctor Doom creates Reed and Sue as the first humans, and Reed keeps sassily Doctor Doom, so Doom keeps killing him and recreating him until he gets fed up and eliminates him completely.
 
Dear God I'm imagining a scene where Doctor Doom creates Reed and Sue as the first humans, and Reed keeps sassily Doctor Doom, so Doom keeps killing him and recreating him until he gets fed up and eliminates him completely.
Just wait for the prison with lobotimized Reeds.
 
Just wait for the prison with lobotimized Reeds.

I still love how Hickman fixed Reed post Civil War by showing that every other Reed that'd existed was a piece of shit or hopelessly incompetent, and that Reed's Dad was a worse husband, father and friend than Reed could ever hope to be. And it worked brilliantly. No excusing what Reed did per se, just pointing out that it could've been a lot worse.

Also, Hickman's subtle dislike of Tony Stark will never stop amusing me.
 
There are a billion tie ins, so it is hard to get too sad when some are delayed. I can't keep up with the ones that are being released as it is.


This week's Secret Wars books

Armor Wars #2
Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars #2
Magneto #19
Ms Marvel #16
Old Man Logan #2
Runaways #1
Squadron Sinister #1
Thors #1
 
There are a billion tie ins, so it is hard to get too sad when some are delayed. I can't keep up with the ones that are being released as it is.


This week's Secret Wars books

Armor Wars #2
Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars #2
Magneto #19
Ms Marvel #16
Old Man Logan #2
Runaways #1
Squadron Sinister #1
Thors #1

In for Deadpool, OML, Runaways, Squadron Sinister and Thors.
 
He had the idea for secret wars back than but didnt get approval to tell the story until he got assigned to Avengers/New Avengers which is where the foreshadowing started.

The quote specifically says things were foreshadowed before his Avengers run started.

Some examples:

Johnny Storm being a big floaty ball of fire in the air saying "Everything Lives"

Hickman straight up telling us who the Rabum Alal is in 2012.

and foreshadowing the Reed vs. Maker theme.

 
There is one thing I'm confused about regarding all this storyline. Does everyone just accept the fact that there are copies of them living in the other territories/zones? For example A-Force, does She-hulk understand there are other She-hulks out there? Or are the heroes in that title in particular gathered from around Battleworld?

I'm going to assume that Doom made sure there was only one Doom, Dr Strange, Sue Storm, etc

Is the Peter Parker in Ultimate End the same one from the raft? The ultimate end characters seem to know that Doom squished the 2 worlds together but in Secert Wars main series its a big conspiracy and nobody is supposed to know

Double post for Secret Wars 7 cover:

Heretics of Doom

Ha yet another allusion to Crisis on Infinite Earths. Which is what Hickman's saga has basically been a remake of all along
 
Hickman's genius is he was layering shit for something, but Secret Wars absolutely grew organically. I mean the Cyclops stuff is clearly inspired by how Gillen wrote the character more than anything, which Hickman wouldn't have known until Fear Itself's X-Men tie-in.
 
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