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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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CrapSandwich
former Navy SEAL
I seem to remember some posters here being pretty sure that HCQ was no good. Despite being used worldwide by a lot of actual doctors.
GamingKaiju
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Christ the EU are spitting their dummies out 
Anyway Boris has set an ambitious target for vaccination for 83% of the Country to have had the first shit by end of summer. I hope he pulls it off and Oxford gets the credit it deserves for getting an easily stored/transported effective vaccine
Anyway Boris has set an ambitious target for vaccination for 83% of the Country to have had the first shit by end of summer. I hope he pulls it off and Oxford gets the credit it deserves for getting an easily stored/transported effective vaccine
All I know is early in the pandemic you'd hear all about how HCQ was experimental but no mention of the same for ventilators.(Both having mixed results) FWIW since it's a new virus all treatments are effectively experimental.I seem to remember some posters here being pretty sure that HCQ was no good. Despite being used worldwide by a lot of actual doctors.
What the hell? I assume this will affect the Oxford/Astra-Zeneca vaccine's availability in the US? Or was that being manufactured outside of Europe? That is literally the ONLY "traditional" vaccine for COVID, and the only one that I'd remotely entertain taking. Hopefully it will be available in the US.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
This is not a recommendation by the journal, its a review article published in the the journal that looks at numerous possible therapies (one of which is HCQ). It's also bizarre because the article was published now, because it seems to have been written in July of last year. Not a single one of its citations is after July 3rd, and it references COVID case numbers that we surpassed in April of last year.
Anyways, as has been discussed in this thread ad nauseum, we have numerous excellent quality randomized controlled times since then that have shown that HCQ is useless. There's a reason that Trump never took it when he became ill himself.
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BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
This story is both sad and frightening, that a pharmacist would first be an anti-vaxxer / anti science, but also do something that could have led to serious damage or even death:
abcnews.go.com
Pharmacist pleads guilty to federal charges for intentionally sabotaging COVID vaccines
The suspect told investigators he was skeptical of the Moderna vaccine.
abcnews.go.com
Chaplain
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Thank you for taking the time to respond and excellent points all around.
Jezbollah
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It depends on where the US allocation is coming from - I know there are a few major plans in India making the vaccine.
But yes, the EU would have the power to block all vaccine exports, meaning they would be stopping the supply and inocculation to those in most need of it. The EU is literally playing with people's lives here.
Jezbollah
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Is a vaccine trade war brewing?
The breakdown of supply chains and squabbles over jab efficacy proves a dangerous combination
unherd.com
MisterFalcon
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Some numbers came out of the German report on the AZ vaccine, 1 out of 314 over 65 vaccinated got covid against 1 out of 391 in the placebo group. This technically means you're more likely to get ill with the vaccine. But one less and it would have had 100% protection, you're dealing with such low numbers that it only proves the vaccine does not harm the recipient.
Obviously the over-65 group was way too small to be useful but for the rest there is a 70% protection against getting symptoms and a 100% protection from getting hospitalized/dead for the rest so AZ can be used for under 65's until the UK comes with data on all the oldies who got the AZ vaccine. It's hard to imagine the vaccine just stops working after your 65th birthday and I expect it to be as effective as for the rest.
Obviously the over-65 group was way too small to be useful but for the rest there is a 70% protection against getting symptoms and a 100% protection from getting hospitalized/dead for the rest so AZ can be used for under 65's until the UK comes with data on all the oldies who got the AZ vaccine. It's hard to imagine the vaccine just stops working after your 65th birthday and I expect it to be as effective as for the rest.
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CrankyJay™
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Novavax vaccine 89% effective in UK study, 49% effective against South African strain
95% effective against original strain.
www.statnews.com
95% effective against original strain.
Novavax says its Covid-19 vaccine is 90% effective, but far less so against one variant
Novavax says its Covid-19 vaccine is 90% effective, but far less so against one variant.
www.statnews.com
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Whitney Cummings talked a lot about her experience with COVID on her latest pod. She said she had it really bad. No respiratory stuff, but she had major muscle aches, couldn’t keep food down, she had hallucinations and was delirious.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
NY undercounted nursing home coronavirus deaths by thousands
The report directly undercuts Governor Andrew Cuomo, who has boasted about his pandemic response.
www.bbc.com
Jezbollah
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A really interesting series of tweets from BBC's economics editor Faisal Islam, please forgive the formatting, but thought it would be good to document here (thought it would be better to it this way rather than embed a dozen tweets)
TLDR, UK Government and Oxford/Astrazenica vaccine was more than just a commercial deal, it was a proper investment from even before Oxford and AZ had an agreement. Investment into infrastructure and NHS volunteer resources was provided by the UK government, and UK first option for all UK produced Oxford/AZ vaccines was part of the deal struck last April. EU's deal for the Oxford/AZ vaccine was a commercial only deal with little investment (they invested elsewhere) and haggled for lower cost. EU now paying for that lack of investment with major supply issues.
TLDR, UK Government and Oxford/Astrazenica vaccine was more than just a commercial deal, it was a proper investment from even before Oxford and AZ had an agreement. Investment into infrastructure and NHS volunteer resources was provided by the UK government, and UK first option for all UK produced Oxford/AZ vaccines was part of the deal struck last April. EU's deal for the Oxford/AZ vaccine was a commercial only deal with little investment (they invested elsewhere) and haggled for lower cost. EU now paying for that lack of investment with major supply issues.
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Jezbollah
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Game, set and match:
order-order.com
Ursula von der Leyen's Claims Undermined by Agreement
Yesterday Commission President Ursula von der Leyen was asked whether order quantities were subject to a "best-effort" limitation, as AstraZeneca CEO
order-order.com
Wait a sec, since when has any medicine or treatment ever averted 100% of hospitalizations and deaths?
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Jezbollah
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The problem of that is they have invoked article 16 of the withdrawl agreement, essentally having put a hard border in between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. That was a nuke option only to be used in situations where all previous negotiatons have failed.
Yet they have used it in amazingly casual utility.
I honestly thought by mid afternoon today that the EU couldnt fuck up further. Now they have - and it puts the entire Northern Ireland agreement in danger because of their paranoia.
THE:MILKMAN
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Yep. I say a lot of this goes all the way back to the IVA being ready to sign a contract with AZ in June and then the EU came in and took over but didn't sign it for another two months. My guess is those IVA countries (Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands) and the rest of the EU countries affected all kicked off big time about the delays this caused and the EU shat the bed resulting in the crazy responses we've seen the last few days. Yes, AZ messed up on their end and are clearly out of their depth in some ways here but when even the Archbishop of Canterbury is calling the EU out on Twitter then you know you fucked up!
My opinion is they all should pause this spat, agree to get the issues sorted and the vaccines delivered and come back and fight it out later.
Jezbollah
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The funny thing is that there are reports of the EU demanding 50 million of the UK manufactured AZ vaccine to be sent to them. Even though the UK has first option on those made here
So the EU wants AZ to break their contract with the UK (who has been more than a partner in this venture) to satisfy their own contract.
It's a bold strategy Cotton....
So the EU wants AZ to break their contract with the UK (who has been more than a partner in this venture) to satisfy their own contract.
It's a bold strategy Cotton....
Not true, AZ was handed 300M € by EU to ramp up production. It is also explicitly stated in the contract that all sites including UK sites are to produce the vaccine for EU. Lastly it is also specifically stated in the contract that the number of doses to be delivered will not be affected by obligations with other customers. The claims by the CEO that they have to deliver to UK first, because UK ordered first are bs. Essentially AZ tried to defraud EU by taking EU money then claiming some bullshit production problems at EU sites and exporting vaccine meant for EU to UK.
Eventually they will suffer for this. Just ask Microsoft or Google how it went for them...
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I'm eligible for the vaccine early because of a preexisting condition, but there's no data on those who take some of the meds I take with the vaccine. So I might be put in the position where I have a tough call to make. Get the vaccine and risk it or wait for data to see if it's safe.
Jezbollah
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The UK Government invested in facilities before arranging the deal between Oxford University, and subsequently provided facilities (essentially driving the early trials) and personel (via NHS Volunteer register) in the arrangement put together in April, and the 100m dose and option to have first dibs on all vaccine made in the UK was part of that. Feel free to review a series of tweets by BBC's Economics Editor Faisal Islam on that.
The EU deal with AZ is superceeded by the prior agreement by the UK for the stock made in the UK. What AZ do with their stock in the EU (either distribute within EU, or to the UK) is up to them. But the stock made in the UK is not up to them, because of that option. I suspect this is why the mention of "best endeavours" is so prolific in the EU contract.
The EU are not entitled to the stock from the UK, even if it states that they may demand it, because the UK Government decides what happens to that stock in the first instance. If you don't think this is the case, why do you think the UK has remained quiet and only stated that "we are comfortable with our supply chain"?
Do you hear any talk about going to the courts to determine who has right for the stock? No? Why is that? Because the EU would lose.
The smart move by the EU would have been to engage with the UK and AZ to transfer lessons learned by the UK AZ plans in September when they had their issues to the EU AZ factories that have their production issues. However, they went with full nuke option with Clause 16 and made themselves look more stupid.
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Chaplain
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This sounds like a difficult place that you find yourself in. Sorry, bro.
Jezbollah
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Moderna cuts deliveries to Italy and France in new blow to EU vaccination plans
Reductions follow week of clashes between Brussels and AstraZeneca over Covid vaccine supplies
www.ft.com
waiting for the EU to implode.....
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SpiceRacz
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I wouldn't worry. I'd be more concerned about an allergic reaction than the vaccine interfering with your medications.
Jezbollah
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If it helps perspective, the UK has now vaccinated 8 million people. They are the eldest demographic of age groups and most are likely to have preexisting conditions and are on various medications. My uncle has had both his jabs, and my mum is scheduled to get hers done on Wednesday.
We have yet to see any major publicity over any kind of serious conflict with either mediations or preexisting conditions apart from a couple of extremely hyperallergic people. I would suggest there's a lot of data taken from this already.
If you are concerned, give your doctor a call and have a chat about it, so you can make an informed decision for yourself.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I have, he didn’t make a recommendation quite yet. He said he wanted to see if there’s so,e data by the time I get the call for the vaccine. If not, it’ll likely be my choice based on his recommendation. Right now I’m leaning toward it, but the meds I take are biological so it’s not like taking aspirin or whatever or typical allergy meds. I assume it would be ok and that many of the people who’ve gotten them are also on these drugs, as they’re often used to treat rheumatoid arthritis and since we’ve vaccinated many elderly people already, I assume a decent amount of them have taken these drugs to treat that, I think it would’ve been made known if there was any bad reaction.
but I’ll see. I don’t even know how it works really. I registered, I assume they’ll just call me.
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Shit, he's catching on. Quick, have the police shoot someone.
GamingKaiju
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If the B.1.1.7 variant becomes the dominant strain I wouldn’t mind it been called the English Flu.
Since the U.K. has had so many firsts during this pandemic the first in Europe for 3 million cases the largest death rate in Europe, the first to get a vaccine, so it makes sense that it’s own variant gets called after the U.K.
Since the U.K. has had so many firsts during this pandemic the first in Europe for 3 million cases the largest death rate in Europe, the first to get a vaccine, so it makes sense that it’s own variant gets called after the U.K.
Mistake
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South African strain found in Maryland. Now the US has 3 different kinds
link.theepochtimes.com
CCP Virus Variant From South Africa Confirmed in Maryland: Authorities
link.theepochtimes.com
Jezbollah
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The variant is labelled after the location where it was traced back to in its earliest detection. Inevitibly, though, a country can only detect it if it's doing a large amount of genomic sequencing. The UK has basically done 50% of the entire genomic sequencing for COVID 19 globally - and the UK variant was discovered in Kent and couldnt be traced further back, hence the UK variant. Likewise for the South African and Brazillian variants - I believe thought that SA genomic sequencing caught that variant there. Not sure about the Brazillian one.
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