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Mass Effect Reveal Trailer - The Game Awards 2020

EA needs to heap tons of cash to get the personnel and resources needed. If this is well made it is going to be a megaton.

Problem is this is EA.
 
mansoor1980 said:
any possibilities of shepard coming back? or his clone or watever
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Considering how old Liara looks, I doubt it.

I think it's actually better to let go of Shepard. His/her story is done. I don't know why people cling so much to Shepard. Shepard is quite an empty character, because Shepard has to embody the choices of the player. Shepard is not like Master Chief, or Geralt, or Link, or Kratos, or Lara Croft. Shepard is a shell to be filled by the player.
 
Ascend said:
Considering how old Liara looks, I doubt it.

I think it's actually better to let go of Shepard. His/her story is done. I don't know why people cling so much to Shepard. Shepard is quite an empty character, because Shepard has to embody the choices of the player. Shepard is not like Master Chief, or Geralt, or Link, or Kratos, or Lara Croft. Shepard is a shell to be filled by the player.
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A forgotten clone of shepard living in a cottage in the north , unaware of his destiny and genetic profile , to be visited and trained by liara tsoni, wud make for a decent prologue i reckon.
 
Sounds like setting is the first contact wars. If so, I'm out.

Bioware have shown their complete ineptitude when writing an all-new story, unconstrained by the narrative baggage of the OG trilogy with Andromeda. How are they not going to screw up a story set deep within the Milky Way galaxy lore?

TBH, I'm also just less interested in prequels like this anyway. Especially when you already know the wider galaxy-spanning story. Anything they do within the contraints of the first ME trilogy lore is going to feel pedestrian in scope compared to what they attempted with the OG trilogy.
 
i will be there day 1, i have been playing games for more than 30 years. The ME trilogy are the only games i keep thinking about years after finishing them. BioWare struck gold with the characters they created that i think it impossible for them to create the same connection again on another ME game. Hence why they are probably going back to the original cast.
 
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99% of modern big budget culture is going to be woke shite and I guarantee the future of Mass Effect will be in the thick of it. The best we can hope for is good shooting mechanics and nice graphics. The writing and story and characters will be fucking awful.

It is very sad that an acceleration in digital technology is happening at the same time as culture becomes completely atavistic.
 
Hendrick's said:
That's fine, but announce a game and don't waste my time with a pointless CG trailer letting me know the series "will continue". I would have been excited maybe if the announcement was "will continue with a new developer".
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I'm no fan of CG trailers either but it was a hopeful message and a promise that the series wasn't dead. It's something to celebrate, not be jaded about in my opinion. If they fuck up again then yeah it was all bullshit but I like to be optimistic and hope they'll right their wrongs, it's not like they're incapable of it.

They could have done the same for Dead Space and my reaction would have been even more positive since I'm a bigger fan of that series.

But yeah "I laughed" reactions always get to me cuz it just seems overly cynical to me.
 
Ok I know this is like 3 years away and has all the potential to be totally screwed and we have no gameplay form Bioware even for the new Dragon Age.
I know that last games from Bioware were all pretty disastrous and yes I think DA:I was not a great RPG either.

BUT, if they do this right. We need a good Mass Effect game... one of the best sci-fi universes cannot be ruined by ME3 ending and nothingburger which is Andromeda. I don't care if it's Shepard or someone else but a solid 30-hour shooter/rpg with characters and crew in ME universe is something that we desperately need back.
 
As long as they take their time with it and put forth real effort and EA steps the fuck back and doesn't meddle with it too much then it can be a great game.

They need to MMEGA.
 
I want to know who's making it, which BioWare studio. Or did they anyway shatter the Montreal studio?

Let's see, BW haven't made a good game since ME2.
 
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
Sounds like setting is the first contact wars. If so, I'm out.

Bioware have shown their complete ineptitude when writing an all-new story, unconstrained by the narrative baggage of the OG trilogy with Andromeda. How are they not going to screw up a story set deep within the Milky Way galaxy lore?

TBH, I'm also just less interested in prequels like this anyway. Especially when you already know the wider galaxy-spanning story. Anything they do within the contraints of the first ME trilogy lore is going to feel pedestrian in scope compared to what they attempted with the OG trilogy.
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There is nothing in that trailer that points toward the game being set during first contact between humans and Turians. I wouldn't worry.
 
Boswollocks said:
People are blaming Andromeda for the series going to shit. I wonder how many of those people played ME:3? or even 2?

The series started going to shit after ME1. Those with goldfish memories don't remember the complaints of 2 or 3 it seems.

Not getting excited for this. I haven't even played Andromeda so, maybe i'll check this out when it's on GP
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I thought 2 was pretty good. Mostly. 3 was IMHO not great (==pretty bad) and I never played Andromeda.
From what I see I didged a bullet and should celebrate I never played Andromeda.

With two games in a row in a franchise that are pretty shit, it is fair to assume that all future games will be shit too
so I will not buy any future me games.
 
Nobody_Important said:
I have several questions based off the teaser.

1) Liara has obviously aged and for an Asari that is saying ALOT. So why has it taken her so long to to locate Shepard's helmet? It's on Earth. It shouldn't take hundreds of years unless something got in the way.

2) If this is a "will continue" ME4 and you are showing me the N7 logo then that to me implies Shepard's story will continue. But how is that possible? As we just saw a minimum of hundreds of years has passed. Shep is cold and dead by now. What is bringing him back from that?


3) Not only that but if hundreds of years have passed then based on the lore the only people who would be left is Grunt and Liara. Can you really call that a continuation?


4) And if I am just 100% wrong and Shepard is not involved then why in the hell say "will continue", show us a character that is very much associated with a particular story, and show us an insignia that is the iconic symbol for one character in particular?


5) Everything being destroyed implies the destruction is being from ME 3 is the "canon" ending. So what would a Mass Effect game even look like without the relays?


6) Also if destruction was a the canon choice does that mean that stupid as fuck meeting with space baby Jesus was real? How are they going to explain that away?



I love Mass Effect so fucking much. It's what made me a lover of RPGs. But I need to know what the fuck is going on before I can get hyped.
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The only way to win is to forget that the franchise exists and suppress that a new game is coming out.
Painful, yes. But less painful than getting hyped and then experiencing the next BioWare game first hand.
 
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BasedPrime said:
This is Biowares last chance to redeem themselves
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Here's the cycle:

1) Bioware announces a game
2) People get super excited for it
3) The game gets released
4) People play the game and are underwhelmed and complain about it

And the cycle starts over each time a new Bioware game is announced. And that's the problem right there, and why Bioware is still kicking. If Bioware has such a bad track record, why are people giving the new games a chance? You can't keep expecting Bioware to return to their glory, or come back from a 10+ year losing streak.
 
Boswollocks said:
People are blaming Andromeda for the series going to shit. I wonder how many of those people played ME:3? or even 2?

The series started going to shit after ME1. Those with goldfish memories don't remember the complaints of 2 or 3 it seems.

Not getting excited for this. I haven't even played Andromeda so, maybe i'll check this out when it's on GP
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ME1 purists are a minority. Yes there are legitimate complaints about ME2 and if you wanted a real RPG you didn't get that, but it's easily one of the most beloved games of that generation. It's when they were at their peak, not when they were slipping.
 
drezz said:
My guess is next they will show the ME:remaster and will pull on our strings until that finally releases... with only THAT beinga ble to port your saves over to ME4.Then we might get a gameplay trailer for; what seems to be, ME4.
Do wonder what ME4 would be about, since the threat of all 3 games is over, just rebuilding? Or maybe.. it would be another timeskip as Shepard is rebuildt? And awoken just in time to deal with the new threat? Of... something that didnt have much to do with the 3 last games.
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Best to retcon the ending and make the indoctrination theory true. But this is the modern sjw led BioWare so I doubt we will get anything good.
 
Cato said:
I thought 2 was pretty good. Mostly. 3 was IMHO not great (==pretty bad) and I never played Andromeda.
From what I see I didged a bullet and should celebrate I never played Andromeda.

With two games in a row in a franchise that are pretty shit, it is fair to assume that all future games will be shit too
so I will not buy any future me games.
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It's weird, because while they fucked andromeda up, they made Dragon Age 3 a big game with fun mechanics, a half-way decent story and by the time all the DLC dropped, it was a good game. Not DA:1 levels, but the quality was coming back.

eot said:
ME1 purists are a minority. Yes there are legitimate complaints about ME2 and if you wanted a real RPG you didn't get that, but it's easily one of the most beloved games of that generation. It's when they were at their peak, not when they were slipping.
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ME1 purists IMO, are the people who played and loved KOTOR and Jade Empire, because they were essentially the same game in a different skin. And that ME2 became one of the most beloved games in that generation, amongst the back drop of some of the best games ever made, really says just how far the hype-machine and marketing have invaded our gaming space.

Was Me2 'bad' or 'unplayable'? not by a long shot. But it didn't receive the criticism it should have done, for the areas where Bioware really dropped the ball on RPG mechanics.
 
eot said:
ME1 purists are a minority. Yes there are legitimate complaints about ME2 and if you wanted a real RPG you didn't get that, but it's easily one of the most beloved games of that generation. It's when they were at their peak, not when they were slipping.
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There are dozens of us!!

With ME2 it became clear that Bioware had no idea on where to take the story or do any meaningful with the potential that the first one showed which then culminated in ME3.

Just felt like a waste of an entry in series that could have been so much more.
 
eot said:
I want to know who's making it, which BioWare studio. Or did they anyway shatter the Montreal studio?

Let's see, BW haven't made a good game since ME2.
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That's unfair. ME3 is an excellent game, they just fuck up the last 10 minutes.
 
Boswollocks said:
ME1 purists IMO, are the people who played and loved KOTOR and Jade Empire, because they were essentially the same game in a different skin. And that ME2 became one of the most beloved games in that generation, amongst the back drop of some of the best games ever made, really says just how far the hype-machine and marketing have invaded our gaming space.

Was Me2 'bad' or 'unplayable'? not by a long shot. But it didn't receive the criticism it should have done, for the areas where Bioware really dropped the ball on RPG mechanics.
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The criticism you're talking about has to do with criticizing the game for not being what you wanted it to be, not criticizing it for what it was. I played KotOR too btw (the second one if one of my all time favourite games), but you know, at the time Baldur's Gate fans saw KotOR as a dumbed down game. I'm generally in that camp with modern games too fwiw.

I would've loved a proper RPG set in the Mass Effect universe, I like that ME1 is more open and has more systems than the later games, but in all honesty those systems weren't well designed, and the game survived on the quality of its world building and writing alone. It's totally fine to not like ME2 for what it is (a 3rd person shooter with an interactive narrative), and if you wanted an RPG I understand being disappointed. However, I would argue that it does a much better job being what it's trying to be than ME1 did.

tl;dr it not being what you wanted is different from it not being good.
People don't have fond memories of that game because of hype, the have them because the game had tons of amazing moments.

royox said:
That's unfair. ME3 is an excellent game, they just fuck up the last 10 minutes.
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I was disappointed with the game even before the ending. What happened to the neutral conversation option for example? I also disliked the changes to the combat, the much lower enemy variety (don't think the Cerberus or the Reaper troops are as fun to fight as the ME2 enemies, and I don't like their art design). There are things to like though, like Javik and the Citadel DLC.
 
Thank fucking god that at least it seems to involve the Milky Way in some way... Andromeda had big potential but they didn't do anything with the setting.
 
eot said:
The criticism you're talking about has to do with criticizing the game for not being what you wanted it to be, not criticizing it for what it was. I played KotOR too btw (the second one if one of my all time favourite games), but you know, at the time Baldur's Gate fans saw KotOR as a dumbed down game. I'm generally in that camp with modern games too fwiw.

I would've loved a proper RPG set in the Mass Effect universe, I like that ME1 is more open and has more systems than the later games, but in all honesty those systems weren't well designed, and the game survived on the quality of its world building and writing alone. It's totally fine to not like ME2 for what it is (a 3rd person shooter with an interactive narrative), and if you wanted an RPG I understand being disappointed. However, I would argue that it does a much better job being what it's trying to be than ME1 did.

tl;dr it not being what you wanted is different from it not being good.
People don't have fond memories of that game because of hype, the have them because the game had tons of amazing moments.
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I can't get on board with this line of reasoning. If we were comparing ME with DA or KOTOR then yeah, but we're comparing a sequel to a game that almost entirely changed what it was. It went from an RPG with stellar writing (the best in the series by far) to a run and gun shooter, that didn't even do that particularly well. The writing, compared to the first, was abysmal.

This has nothing to do with different=not good. ME2 was just not a good Mass Effect game and that's all i'm concerned about. If it wasn't for the fact that ME3 shit the bed at the end, Me2 would be seen as the worst (it is in my eyes).

As for ME being a dumbed down BG. Well, yeah. Almost every RPG since BG has been a dumbed down BG

Mechanically the game was changed to lower the bar to appeal to a wider audience and it ruined the flow and atmosphere of the game. Mass Effect wasn't a run and gun rest, it was more tactical. The writing made no sense, saved only by the characters, the encounters and enemies were terrible. Terminator last boss was very poorly executed and pretty boring tbh. The world-scanning and Mako were worse than ME1

My biggest gripe about all of it, is the fact that the game design and mechanics were changed for the sole reason of selling more copies. They should have made ME2 more rpg-y because that's what the fans wanted. Especially at a time when every flipping game was a run and gun shooter.
 
Boswollocks said:
ME:2 was terrible. It made no sense and had almost nothing to do with the trilogy.
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I played through the trilogy for the first time recently. I found this to be a good thing by the end of the second game, but a major problem when I progressed through the third game. The thing with the Sci-Fi genre is, historically it's more interesting and at it's best when you tell narratives in isolation, since you have the freedom to write and imagine anything when it comes to a space setting. Trying to overarch a subplot for too long (in this case The Reapers) and interconnect whole pieces (in this case Mass Effect 1 & Mass Effect 3) you will just end up with shit. All three games, should have had isolated plots with only character development carrying over. That's it.

Also I didn't mind 2, but I think 3 killed a lot of the casts' validity. Just lots of nonsensical writing in the end.
 
AJUMP23 said:
I am cautiously optimistic about this game This is a wait and see game.
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The only thing that gives me hope is that apparently the last two Star Wars games from EA are pretty good. I'm hoping that's a sign that EA are trying to change things internally and support their developers more.

Nobody_Important said:
And yeah we watched Shepard's corpse crash down to a planet from space and get rez'd like it was no big deal. But in ME3 he was DEAD DEAD in space with Anderson and then had a chat with Space Jesus. To bring him back from that just feels insane. So idk wtf they are going to do.
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I guess it depends on how your play through ended but in my play through Shepherd gave a gasp at the end showing he was not yet dead. So that possibility was always there.

It wouldn't even be the first time he defied death. He survived a collision with a reaper when it smashed into the Citadel in the first game.
 
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
Listen to the radio chatter and what it's saying.
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Means nothing. It could be historical audio. You know, sort of taking you from point A to point B and so on in a short teaser trailer.

Here's what I would look at: Liara's clothing. Looks a lot like her mother's. So perhaps Liara will be an asari matriarch in this new installment.

I hope they don't bring Shepard back. That would show they have no imagination.
 
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
Listen to the radio chatter and what it's saying.
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The radio chatter goes over the history of space travel from a human point of view, from fiction like War of the Worlds, to our current accomplishments, to the fiction of the Mass Effect games. First contact war will not be the basis of the next game.
 
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