From the New York Times.
This will not be the last such occurrence in Europe this year, be sure of that.
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Mass Sexual Assaults at Swedish Music Festivals
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Seems like that should be pretty easy to prove: did this happen before mass immigration, or not?
Not that surprising when 6/7 of the people that are being investigated are foreigners.
This isn't about the US though. Why even bring it up?
I like how you have to make this about dumb nationalists and the poor immigrants instead of the underaged girls, the real victims here.
His Majesty
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It's not the first time this has happened either. It's just disgusting how Sweden handles/ignores this problem.
Because its an issue with music festivals in general and they don't have the threat of roaming groups of foreigners in the US. Basically this shit happens all the time whether you've got a refugee issue in your country or not.
DrROBschiz
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Not making light of this but random butt grinders are still a nightclub staple... Or were
I think i see a lot less of it now outside of mifdle age drunks?
I dunno im getting old
I think i see a lot less of it now outside of mifdle age drunks?
I dunno im getting old
Skellig Gra
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Seems like this time it was "immigrants fault"
AmaterasuOni
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It mostly is these days (at least in Finland, Sweden and Norway). After that flood of those young middle-eastern men to Europe.
Lovely Salsa
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I got my butt squeezed at my last festival. Dunno how common this is. I dont go to many koncerts to begin with
I just gave them the evil eye
I don't do the music festival thing much anymore in the US but the blatant amounts of heavy drug use, drinking, acting the fool and sex as well was pretty over the top. I'm sure there are music festivals a bit more controlled and contained but I've seen some pretty crazy stuff going down. Its really hard to police some of the crowds that reach into the tens of thousands with many of them on something, in close proximity and so forth.
Mr. Giggles
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Is immigrants anyone from outside the country or is the term used for anyone with middle eastern looks?
Just curious
Total & utter bullshit. Those cases get reported more easily & are given a lot more visibility by the press & social media than some husband raping his wife, a relative raping some relative of his(/hers) and other kinds of rape that are far more common than some random person raping someone he(/she) doesn't know.
The latter.
ClosingADoor
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Disgusting stuff. And not the first time either. This needs to be handled before this becomes more and more commonplace.
moniker
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Ehem, no? Just saying since there are very nationalistic winds blowing in Sweden right now. Doesn't matter if it is immigrants or 'born swedes' who did it, but they are using it (and of course it will be foreigners at fault time to time).
It happens in the US all the time from what I've read. Its not something unique to countries that have a lot of foreigners of middle Eastern descent. Its an issue with large music festivals that don't have much oversight of the attendees, rampant drug and alcohol use, and people getting all worked up from the event itself.
Vice: There's a Rape Problem at Music Festivals and Nobody Seems to Care
MonorailCat
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Wasn't common in Germany/Sweden before the mass migration crisis.
It is now.
You can decide if these events are somehow connected.
Mr. Giggles
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hmmmm, I'm guessing the former but for current political camps some would say the latter.
anyways, while I'm sure immigrants contribute to the crime statistic isn't it better to say "Refugees did this" - I say this because anyone who isn't form the country is an immigrant right?! and if we put all foreigners in one basket it wouldn't be fair to those that do not contribute to the crime statistic?
Its a slippery slope is all im saying - at some point you could point to anyone who doesn't fit in and throw him out because all foreigners can't be trusted....
If it was refugees, then thats fair since if anything it would be better to identify who is commiting the crimes...
Hesemonni
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Ok. If that makes you sleep better.
But a pretty pretty solid data suggest that these kinds of crimes tend to more popular amongst certain nationalities. Atleast in Finland and I think Sweden has similar studies made.
blame space
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it's sadly pretty common, isn't it? I remember those stories from Woodstock '99.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock_1999#Aftermath
people are horrible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock_1999#Aftermath
people are horrible.
moniker
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PHOENIXZERO
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Woodstock '99 was an all out disaster.
Bullshit, this kind of mass molesting has not happen again after New Years eve in germany
im pretty sure it was common, but since there weren't foreigners, nobody did a great deal about it, but eh! keep thinking that
AmaterasuOni
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Most of the reports are dealing with young middle-eastern men.
So you say (aka you have no proof of your "we too" scenario). Not gonna get into a debate anyway, because it's leftist/rightist politics and I don't care about that shit at all. I care about the truth.
Media coverage is full of immigrant rapes. Police reports back them up at least here in Finland.
EDIT: And they say Stockholm (Sweden) is the rape capital of the world now. Mostly because of the immigrant crisis. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
Hesemonni
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Nope. I'm just pointing the obvious which some people have trouble admitting.
Mr. Giggles
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I was curios about this sort of stuff so I did a quick google search on this stuff:
Nice article from a law firm on the matter - music festivals a hunting ground for sexual predators
From the good folks at vice - There's a Rape Problem at Music Festivals and Nobody Seems to Care
Nice article from a law firm on the matter - music festivals a hunting ground for sexual predators
From the good folks at vice - There's a Rape Problem at Music Festivals and Nobody Seems to Care
This was my point. People are acting like there was never an issue with rape or sexual violence at festivals when it was very much a big deal and I find it kind of gross that people are only NOW paying attention because its another way for them to drag foreigners and scary brown people through the dirt.
Please quote where it says immigrant crisis and not because of the widening of the definition of rape considering Sweden's rape charges have been drastically increasing since the early 2000s.
The real scandal was how Swedish authorities swept those kinds of incidents under the rug for quite some time and eventually had to admit them. There surely were good intentions behind this approach but unfortunately the end result is much worse when stuff like this is uncovered. It plays right into the hands of certain right-wing circles.
If there is a problem caused by a culture clash and not least by the insufficient integration of the many young, male refugees, it needs to be faced and discussed openly.
If there is a problem caused by a culture clash and not least by the insufficient integration of the many young, male refugees, it needs to be faced and discussed openly.
Yeah, just play the racist card immediately and disregard facts. Really great discussion culture!
Maybe because it was brought to great attention and made news around the world? Obviously, the circumstances that supported/facilitated this incident (new year's eve, general chaos in the streets, everyone drunk etc.) is not an everyday occurrence.
Not as easy as that, given that records are generally pretty poor with regards to sexual assaults, and escalating numbers of rapes year over year probably has a lot more to do with victims of both sexes actually reporting the crimes instead of staying silent.
The situation doesn't sound as horrible as the incidents in Cologne, although that's probably not much comfort to the actual victims.
Or maybe because I live in germany and would have noticed when this kind of stuff happened?
Lashley
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Racists don't care though
Thanks.
Wat. I saw no specific mention of the immigrant crisis there.
Though. I did learn something new.
Did not know this.
What's your point? I didn't deny that an event like this didn't occurr again since then but I explained why your reasoning is insufficient. Oh and I live in Germany as well.
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