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Mass shooting at mall in Old Bridge, NJ; several dead

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more gun control would lead to a lessened likelihood of a psycho getting a gun... so i ask the pro-gun people, would you rather face a psycho with a knife or an assault rifle?

isn't it also a pretty good trade-off to tighten gun control and maybe give up some rights, in exchange for a safer society for everyone? shouldn't a safe society be the main goal of everyone? why exactly is a nebulous ideal of "personal freedom" above that?
 
There are currently 270 MILLION opened civilIan guns...so no it wont do anything.

It's going a bit far to say it wouldn't do anything. Many of the criminals that have guns are very determined to kill. In those instances they would definitely find guns no matter how strict the laws are. But to say any additional roadblocks would do nothing to deter crimes of passion, in which someone reacts violently to something they've experienced and also happen to have a gun handy, is something I can't agree with at all.

I assume the idea is that under the strict gun laws that would be enacted , people would instead get them from third party sellers throughout the country, possibly past owners? Well, with no registration for those guns it would be illegal for them to own it, opening them up to strict legal ramifications if "caught". There are teenagers (or "young adults") out there with guns. Not gang members who could possibly acquire guns through their friends, but ones who have them because they are "around" their house. Making it more difficult for these people to own a gun would definitely result in a fewer number of them owning one, and could possibly reduce the number of "dumb teen" gun stories at least.


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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
The constitution is a good reason.
Amendments are a better reason. Or do you think the founding fathers were all-seeing immortals?


astroturfing said:
more gun control would lead to a lessened likelihood of a psycho getting a gun... so i ask the pro-gun people, would you rather face a psycho with a knife or an assault rifle?

isn't it also a pretty good trade-off to tighten gun control and maybe give up some rights, in exchange for a safer society for everyone? shouldn't a safe society be the main goal of everyone? why exactly is a nebulous ideal of "personal freedom" above that?
Pipe down, comrade.
 
Is this a case of "It happens all the time, but more reports are hitting the spotlight for some reason"? or is the situation actually that bad in the US right now?
 
yes i got it, i am not that dense..

but why? is someone saying the word "society" a red flag to you, makes your brain go "COMMMUNISM!"?

See, I was poking fun at people quick to call others communists for caring about their society, by pretending to be one of those very people.
 
This statement doesn't help out "anti-gun GAF".

It just doesn't make sense to me how someone is legally able to obtain guns like this. Especially when it serves no real purpose (asides from hunting and shooting ranges). Home protection, sure... but are people that scared that they need a gun in their home? Is it necessary to even own something other than a pistol? There's always going to be a person with a bigger and badder gun out there under current laws. It's a law that forces people to be reactive instead of proactively finding other ways to protect themselves.

Now before anyone says anything, I understand protecting yourself and your family. What I don't understand is these "fuck yo couch" guns.

Just for kicks, i looked up the rules in NJ surrounding assault weapons - you can actually own an ak47 clone in jersey. You can't

1. own an actual ak47
2. own a clone with any assault weapon features (flash supressor, folding stock, hi-cap magazine, fully auto, bayonet hardpoint, etc)

So if this was an AK47 clone (which there are millions of) it just needs to be vanilla and not have a magazine with greater than 10 or 15 rounds and it will be perfectly legal in jersey. My guess is that the ak47 mentioned in the article was a legal one.
Honest question, but what exactly is a clone? Couldn't a clone iono be modded or something?
 
coming from monmouth County.. this is really close.. dude was an idiot, but just the ability for him to flip like that and handle business in that manner is scary.

simple argument.. ok I'll be right back.. then shoots up the place. Just fight the person. no need for all that BS. I can only imagine how many people would have died if they didnt make it out the supermarket.
 
People need to start looking at the root of this problem and not the means by which these actions are performed. There is more violence depicted in movies/tv/videogames than ever before, couple that with with other societal factors and are people really shocked that these shootings are becoming a regular occurrence? Our media, entertainment, and environment shape who we become. We've had guns for years, but our surroundings have never been more toxic than they are now.

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Sorry, Hillar Clinto/Bill Bennett. That line of thinking is completely broken. This forum is full of gamers, and look at how anti-gun we are. GTFO with that nonsense. A movie doesn't make you crazy. Crazy makes you crazy. PEACE.
 
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My mother and father live about 15minutes from the location of this shooting.

My sister is a reporter for Fios 1 News, she covered it. Fucking crazy.
 
I live in Jersey, Burlington County, and I can say its pretty strict on guns.

I mean, I go across to PA (up state) for soccer tourneys with my son and its another world.

I saw a guy walking down the street with a Cross-bow on his back, go to Wal-Mart..they have guns! Heck I even bought a Wrist Rocket in PA at a Wal-Mart since you cant buy them here in Jersey.

We even have to go across the bridge for fireworks, and the damn cops WILL watch your plates around July 4th and pull you over to look lol.
 
Honest question, but what exactly is a clone? Couldn't a clone iono be modded or something?

A "clone" is exactly what it sounds like. A knockoff, lookalike, etc.

The AK-47 is the most copied rifle in the world - there's shitloads of different rifle model/makes that are nearly 1:1 facsimiles of the AK47. The most well-known is probably the Chinese SKS.

Sure, clones can be modded just like the originals.
 
It just doesn't make sense to me how someone is legally able to obtain guns like this. Especially when it serves no real purpose (asides from hunting and shooting ranges). Home protection, sure... but are people that scared that they need a gun in their home? Is it necessary to even own something other than a pistol? There's always going to be a person with a bigger and badder gun out there under current laws. It's a law that forces people to be reactive instead of proactively finding other ways to protect themselves.

Now before anyone says anything, I understand protecting yourself and your family. What I don't understand is these "fuck yo couch" guns.


Honest question, but what exactly is a clone? Couldn't a clone iono be modded or something?

Hunting, shooting ranges, varmint control, personal/home protection (though a shotgun is more effective, or pistol I think), and sport shooting tournaments are all good purposes for the gun.

Home invasions are a sad reality even in the secluded area I live in, they're very real. Some people are more fight than flight, and want to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their assets, so it's very logical in that thought of owning one.

An "AK-47" isn't some magical beast. The vast majority here in the States are the Semi-auto version of this rifle. It's a design that's been knocked off for decades. They come in various calibers. They are, especially by old design compared to others, inaccurate and uncomfortable to use, yet more reliable and durable. Could they be modded to fully auto? Yes, some can, but that's a federal offense, thus doing so makes you a felon and a criminal. Of which, most criminals buy their guns illegally anyways, or are acquired from robberies.

Gun sales are not just sparked by "Teh Obama fear" of him taking them away, but the fear of the economy getting even worse, making quality and safety of life even worse, that'll impact gun sales. Then again, the Republicans themselves are just as guilty giving a shitty candidate as well, just like the Democrats.

Taking the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens will just "hurt" them more than the number of prevented incidents. "But even one life saved!", kk, once we remove alcohol first which causes acts of passion, or incidents via DUI, then we can begin to talk. Then we got to look into automobiles as well, since they cause so much loss of life.

How many times has a legally armed citizen ever stopped a crime from happening to himself?

You'll never know because they're not properly recorded, and the media "picks up" on these incidents far less because they're not "juicy, controversial, and edgy".
 
Tyler fired more than 16 rounds from his rifle -- shooting at an employee standing outside and firing as he entered the store, blowing out the front windows, authorities said. He shot at five other workers in an aisle, killing Christina LoBrutto, 18, and Bryan Breen, 24, Kaplan said.
"I do not believe that they were specifically targeted. I believe everybody in the store was a target," said Kaplan.
Tyler, who began working at the supermarket less than two weeks ago, drew his handgun and killed himself, the prosecutor said.
The motive was under investigation. But family members said Tyler had been discharged from the Marines two years ago after suffering from depression and had never gotten over his mother's death; the shooting happened around the five-year anniversary of her death, they said.
And on a Twitter account in 2009, with a photograph identified by family members as Tyler, a post talks about hating Marine life.
"I'm starting to see why plp go on killin sprees," he wrote in October 2009, using the handle @Tylerbkstyle. And these (obscenity) are reeeeeeally pushin my kill everyone I see button."
At the top of Tyler's Facebook page reads the motto, "Be optimistic. All the people you hate are going to eventually die."
goddamn.

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ex-mari...et-kills-2-and-himself-1.937432#ixzz25CCYtnUv
 
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