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Matrix Producer starts work on new Muhammad biopic
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Napoleonthechimp
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Not including the most important person in the story is not a bad thing?MetatronM said:
Darackutny
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Bad idea.
Too many historical inaccuracies will be attributed to Mohammed and his companions that will stick with those that are too lazy to pick up a book to double check the information. Hind eating the liver of Hamza comes to mind from Mustapha Akkad's "The Message".
I also have issues with douchebags playing the roles of Mohammed's companions.
Darackutny said:
Didn't she take a bite it and spit it out? She never actually swallowed it right? Crazy.
Plus, this is from the dude that produced LOTR. I don't think he's gonna go the Akkad direction. In fact, they may want to beat the Message remake to the punch.
zsidane said:
So true : (
The Message was endorsed by Shia scholars. Hence, why they didn't include them.
Since however, this film appears to be funded by Sunnis. And overseen by Sunnah scholars. They might just do Abu Bakr and Umar etc. Since they're seen as normal men. I mean, why not portray them, if you portray Bilal, Abu Sufyan etc.? That'd just be favouritism.
Dabookerman
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The only way this film will be awesome is if Muhummed goes around like Commando, fucking shit up while spouting one liners and smoking a cigar, banging smoking chicks and eating bacon for breakfast.
If so, I am game.
Fuck you Pagan of Mecca.
That's it bitch, show me them tittays
You are not my wife anymore!
If so, I am game.
Fuck you Pagan of Mecca.
That's it bitch, show me them tittays
You are not my wife anymore!
Joel Was Right
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So it's going to be 90mins of Muslims, Christians and Jews fighting? Yeah that sounds like something fresh and new. Sure to provoke new perspectives
crazy monkey
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Meus Renaissance said:
:O have you seen the movie script? dabookerman see your avatar.
Dabookerman
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What the hell was wrong with Pagans?
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Dabookerman said:
Interesting you say that. Christianity is seen by some as a type of paganism/polytheistic faith. This is the differentiator between Islam and Christianity. Islam accepts Christianity, or at least it's core principles, as the truth and even recognizes those prophets mentioned in Judeo-Christianity but Islam began because of Christianity going on a different path e.g. Trinity.
There is a famous proverb in monotheism which goes along the lines of "How can you pray to a statue (or visual depiction of God) for safety when it cannot even save itself". Then a tremor hit and the statues fell and shattered to the ground.
This is a similar as to why the Islamic faith prohibits depictions of prophets.
mckmas8808
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BocoDragon said:
How can the life of Jesus be debatable when your own religion states that he was real?
mckmas8808 said:
It is not an issue of debate for us. We don't care whether historians believe Jesus existed or not. Whatever the Qur'an teaches, we take to mean the truth. And the Qur'an teaches that Jesus was real.
However, when historically speaking ( when you speak from a perspective outside of religion and rely solely on historical evidence ). There is no argument on the existence and character of Muhammad compared to any other religious figure. No one can come to you and say " Muhammad never existed because of so and so". It's illogical to claim this. So in a sense, the evidence for us that Jesus existed for us, is Muhammad himself. And he would frequently mention how the closest prophet to him, was his brother Eesa.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm not Muslim. I'm speaking from a historical viewpoint. Muhammad's life is rooted in historical record. Jesus and Buddha's existence only come to us passed down by their religious followers.. They could be (though likely aren't) complete fabrications. I'm Buddhist by the way :lolmckmas8808 said:
A Muslim might think Jesus existed.. But an atheist historian might be able to make the case that he was a celestial god projected into the past as a flesh and blood human.
Jibril said:
Can a Muslim question the Qur'an? Are there varied interpretations on the book? I'm very ignorant about most religions, that's why I'm not even going to attempt to debate anything:lol, but I do hold some interest since religions helped shaped most of the modern world. Can you give me a quick insight of what's the relation of the Muslim to the Qur'an, if that's even possible :x (I'm not religious btw, I am only partial familiar with catholicism, since I live Portugal).
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm on an iPhone so I'm not in a position to play source linking games.. But I'll just sum it up: Muhammad was involved in the politics of a series of cities and established tribes, he engaged in battles, eventually led a change of power in these cities, and sparked a new politcal and social identity which quickly swept outward.. He ruled as the leader of a very large group of followers. In short, he was a solid figure. Like Alexander the Great or Genghis Khan (ok, not quite as big!) he was a military-political leader.. As solid as it gets in the historical record. There was the religious motivation to document his life, but there was also the political need to (not to mention the entire Sunni/Shia arguments over whom should be his sucessor). In addition there are numerous figures surrounding him who each corroborate one another and have lineages which passed down through many ages.shuri said:
He's a real historical figure.
Contrast this to Jesus and Buddha, whom we know about from two earliest possible sources:
1. The holy scriptures which celebrate them.
2. Secondary sources who corroborate the existance of Buddhists and Christians (such as Emperor Asoka for Buddhists or Pliny the Elder for Christians), usually hundreds of years after these figures would have lived!
PantherLotus
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BocoDragon said:
The "Holy Scriptures" are still considered historical documents, but I'm not sure what your point is anyway. There's more evidence for a historical figure that existed 700 years later?
Ok.
mckmas8808
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Jibril said:
His brother? I thought Jesus and Mohammad lived 100s of years apart....
In some old movies that I've seen they had a similar thing. Because they don't want to cast someone as the prophet himself because there would be too much debate whether its the right thing to do so instead whenever they showed him, him face would be sort of lit up like a sun in his face and other scenes the camera would be showing the prophets view in FPS mode. I know it sounds cheesy but it actually worked really well in this old movie I saw. They told the story with the dialogue of the side characters.
Regardless I think this would be a good idea as long as some absurb hollywood studio looking for box office gold doesn't butcher it.
It would be good to actually let people know what islam is about. Fuck most people are too dumb to even pick up a book and actually read what islam is based on and just bash it based on bs media propaganda and dumbass extermist who in the name of islam go blow shit up while they are the farthest from islam as possible.
Regardless I think this would be a good idea as long as some absurb hollywood studio looking for box office gold doesn't butcher it.
It would be good to actually let people know what islam is about. Fuck most people are too dumb to even pick up a book and actually read what islam is based on and just bash it based on bs media propaganda and dumbass extermist who in the name of islam go blow shit up while they are the farthest from islam as possible.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Both Jesus and Buddha didn't do anything that made any impact outside of their community of followers, while Muhammad is a mover and shaker on the world stage. That's pretty much it. We know about those former two from their followers who passed down tales about them, who later became large groups which survive today.. And so we know these figures well. But Muhammad had a tangible impact on the world, and we'd know about him even if his name wasn't passed down by religion.PantherLotus said:
Buddha and Jesus only exist through secondary sources.. But so did Socrates. I personally believe they all existed (again I'm Buddhist! :lol ), but sure, they could have been mythologies or forgeries, while that just isn't possible for Muhammad.
freitax said:
The Qur'an is considered the literal word of God, not inspired. But the literal straight forward Word. In it, God speaks directly to humanity and speak directly to the Prophet, at times aiding him, consoling him and humanity in general. Sometimes, criticizing him, or sometimes even a witness against him. ( It declares itself a witness for and against humanity ). Dealing with various subjects such as, legislation, spirituality and humanitarianism and social conduct.
We therefore consider the Qur'an to be infallible. Interpretations are not the Qur'an, this is commonly agreed upon. Only the original Arabic script, is the Qu'ran. However, one can examine the Qur'an go into its depth and draw various conclusions from it. But these must be, coherent with how the Prophet conducted himself and the rulings he made during his lifetime, based on the Qur'anic verses.
And you're from Portugal? You might not know, but you're likely to have Islamic ancestry in your lineage. If my history is correct at this late hour.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
You're thinking of Michael Pachter.hteng said:
You dont know how excited i am. If they get Ridley Scott onboard then we may have a classic.
Seriously, i would LOVE to see Abu Bakar and Bilal, im going nuts just thinking about how much potential this could have.
Will spread the word, never thought i would see this happen so soon.
No doubt will be a massive success if muslims alone see this. Blu-ray sales will be enourmous. I know any positivity displayed about Islam gets some people upset, if this is a hit...haha will be fun to witness what unfolds
Seriously, i would LOVE to see Abu Bakar and Bilal, im going nuts just thinking about how much potential this could have.
Will spread the word, never thought i would see this happen so soon.
No doubt will be a massive success if muslims alone see this. Blu-ray sales will be enourmous. I know any positivity displayed about Islam gets some people upset, if this is a hit...haha will be fun to witness what unfolds
Yeah, this can either be really awesome or horrible. There is no in-between. The Sheerah is like my favorite reading material. Its all so thoroughly documented from multiple perspectives, filled with intrigue, politics, incredible war stories/strategies and wisdom that you can sit to ponder on for days on end. The best part is that its a true story, there's a lot of enjoyment to be had following the stories of people of that time from their beginning to end. You can practically base this whole movie on anyone of the many companions around the Prophet and it would be guaranteed to be awesome.
I think they should have the main characters be Az-Zubair Ibn Al ‘Awwâm and his son Abdullah Ibn Az-Zubair because their entire arc is just amazing.
I think they should have the main characters be Az-Zubair Ibn Al ‘Awwâm and his son Abdullah Ibn Az-Zubair because their entire arc is just amazing.
BocoDragon
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^ I agree with the above excitement. I consider the story of Muhammad and the companions one of the most amazing true stories ever told.. A real life adventure story with a cast of interesting characters.
And again, for those grazing the thread, I'm not a Muslim and I think that!
The problem is that the whole of Islamic civilization is too prickly to depict some aspects in an honest fashion, and at best I expect it to be a little gooey and over reverent to the subject matter. I want an adventure story! But something is better than nothing, I guess.
And again, for those grazing the thread, I'm not a Muslim and I think that!
The problem is that the whole of Islamic civilization is too prickly to depict some aspects in an honest fashion, and at best I expect it to be a little gooey and over reverent to the subject matter. I want an adventure story! But something is better than nothing, I guess.
Choke on the Magic said:
Amusingly enough, I believe it does say somewhere in the Quran that at some point (I think when the battle against the antichrist begins) that the bushes and the trees and other sorts of foliage (and non-foliage, like rocks) would call out to followers of God, exposing the nonbelievers that are using them to hide from what is certain death.
No bullshit. Maybe MuslimGAF can clarify it, but I'm pretty sure that is how it goes.
I also have to agree with a couple of things: One, this movie is either going to suck hard or be really good. Second, you can't argue that the Prophet Muhammad didn't exist... it would be like trying to deny the holocaust (lol Ahmadinejad!).
Also some obvious trolling in this thread, but good to see that people aren't really taking the bait. Props. Though I am sure sooner or later this thread will get very messy.
Bitmap Frogs
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Muhammad never appearing onscreen?
I've seen that same device used before and it looks so forced.
Oh well, come the time we'll see.
I've seen that same device used before and it looks so forced.
Oh well, come the time we'll see.
Couldn't these be forgeries just as easily as Christian relics like the bones and trinkets of Saints or pieces of the cross or Noah's boat?gumshoe said:
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Muhammad
I have no idea how accurate this is, but assuming it is - the earliest sources for the existence of the character of Muhammad are the book that was "revealed" to him by an angel, and writings that date several hundreds years after his supposed death.
I'm seeing more than a few similarities to the Jesus character here in terms of evidence for the character as a historical person.
I see your point, but for most other historical figures there is usually a great deal of evidence from the time of their life, as opposed to just stories from hundreds years after their death.Rotsu said:
In addition, most other public figures aren't claimed to have whole tomes of literature transcribed to them by creatures from another dimension, resulting in a whole religion springing up around the myths and legends told about them.
The best I can see is that Muhammad or Jesus, if there were such historical figures, were not really any different to say Aleister Crowley, or Edgar Cayce.
BitchTits said:
We have his speeches documented, testimonials of his character from his wives and the people who've interacted with him. He's also interacted with the Byzantine (Romans at the time), Persian and Ethopian kings at the time through letters. Its not like he was hidden to Muslims only or anything because he also attended on his conquests (faced the enemy in battle).
1-He house, still exist.
2-His mosque that he built with other muslims in early days of Islam and named it after him still exist.
3-His sword(named Thol fagaar) is still preserved in a museum.
4-Actual documents (like letters and such) are still preserved.
5-His grave ( and no im not talking about some "place where its believed hes buried in" No his actual grave which is a big deal in the past and still a big deal for Muslims to visit is still open for any Muslims.
6-He interacted with other culturals in the past in which he was mentioned in ( Romans, Persians and even China)
I have read a couple of books about prophet Muhammad. Its actually unbelievable, but it did happen.
2-His mosque that he built with other muslims in early days of Islam and named it after him still exist.
3-His sword(named Thol fagaar) is still preserved in a museum.
4-Actual documents (like letters and such) are still preserved.
5-His grave ( and no im not talking about some "place where its believed hes buried in" No his actual grave which is a big deal in the past and still a big deal for Muslims to visit is still open for any Muslims.
6-He interacted with other culturals in the past in which he was mentioned in ( Romans, Persians and even China)
I have read a couple of books about prophet Muhammad. Its actually unbelievable, but it did happen.
Count Dookkake
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Rotsu said:
No, not really.
SmokyDave said:
:lol
T Dawg said:
:lol :lol
mckmas8808
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Rotsu said:
What unbelievable stuff did he do?
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