The biggest problem I had with the sequels is they took a way the idea the Neo was the one. Instead we learn that there were a lot of people like him and Zeon had been destroyed and rebuilt dozens of times.
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MAXIM: "Sequels That Ruined The Original"
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The biggest problem I had with the sequels is they took a way the idea the Neo was the one. Instead we learn that there were a lot of people like him and Zeon had been destroyed and rebuilt dozens of times.
Ninja Scooter
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Temple of Doom should be on there only because it was so much better than Raiders that it retroactively made Raiders look like shit in comparison.
Sho_Nuff82
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Only when they take plot elements or characters from the original and completely trivialize their experiences.
Remember the handful of people who barely survived at the end of Pitch Black? Well, lol to them in Chronicles of Riddick.
Remember how the entire point of The Matrix was to free humanity from the yoke of machine control? The Second Renaissance comes out and tells us, "well, we kind of deserved it and we couldn't survive even if we did escape" and Reloaded/Revolution come along and say "maintaining the status quo was winning all along!"
Try to watch the end of Aliens and figure out how Alien 3 is even possible. Egg-sac? Shot with grenades. Eggs? Barbecued. Queen? Shot out the airlock. The whole setup for Alien 3 is a pile of contrived impossibilities for a film that didn't need those characters anyway.
Perspicacity
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The street fight at the end of Rocky V was one of my favourite of the series, but good god was that movie terrible otherwise.
brucewaynegretzky
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And if you can't appreciate that you're a soulless bastard who probably needs to be sung to!
Karsticles
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Agreed. Otherwise that was a solid list.
Sho_Nuff82
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You want him, you're gonna have to go through me.
BlackGhost
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Yeah, I was never really a fan. I actually saw it twice in theaters but not really by choice.
That scene was worse in Spider-Man 1... I cringed so hard in the theater I chipped a tooth.
brucewaynegretzky
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Well,
"Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every Gaffer's God-given right."
Sho_Nuff82
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But this actually happens in the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man, the Avengers, and the Fantastic Four are national celebrities.
Extra Sauce
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I liked Jurassic Park III better than Lost World.
Speedymanic
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It's not that hard to believe that a facehugger managed to get on board. maybe a back up plan by Burke to make sure at least one made it home for study.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Valentine's Day.
Bummer.
Bummer.
Doesn't mean a couple beer bottles and rolled up magazines should scare off the Green Goblin
or perhaps it was the saccharine nationalism of the film itself that did him in. We'll never know.
GitarooMan
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JP III is better than Lost World, deal with it. Of course they are both a joke compared to the original
Good list. The only one i'd argue is Die Hard 4. It may be kinda stupid fun, but Die Hard 2/3 were already going down that path. Remember in the second one where he wrested a guy on a plane wing? Jumping a 18 wheeler into a plane is the next logical step.
I'd say Rambo 2 did more damage to the rambo franchise than rocky 5 did to rocky
Also, x-men 3 kinda put a bummer on the x-men movie franchise for awhile. First class was a great step in correcting that though
I'd say Rambo 2 did more damage to the rambo franchise than rocky 5 did to rocky
Also, x-men 3 kinda put a bummer on the x-men movie franchise for awhile. First class was a great step in correcting that though
Good list, although The Lost World: Jurassic Park should be on there. Ghostbusters 2 is possibly the most misguided sequel in history. Absolutely godawful, and it continues to astound me that anyone manages to enjoy it. Murray has referred to it as one of the original reasons he never wanted to do a third film, and I can't blame him.
Die Hard 4 is an odd inclusion. It wasn't a great Die Hard movie, but it wasn't a bad action movie. Die Hard 2 is a much worse sequel than LFoDH.
Die Hard 4 is an odd inclusion. It wasn't a great Die Hard movie, but it wasn't a bad action movie. Die Hard 2 is a much worse sequel than LFoDH.
Yeah, never really understood the appeal.
Sho_Nuff82
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Damn, first comment on the Maxim link nailed it: Mortal Kombat Annihilation. Christ what a let-down.
Highlander : Highlander 2 :: House Party : House Party 2
Highlander : Highlander 2 :: House Party : House Party 2
You mean how the Queen was able to get on to the ship in the first place? Several stories down, while everything around it explodes. That is the first completely stupid set up, only meant to expand the plot.
Killing Hicks and Newt was the best thing Alien 3 did. Fuck the salt works of people who wanted family adventures in space.
BertramCooper
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I definitely don't enjoy Iron Man nearly as much after Iron Man 2.
AgentChris
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I got something for your ass!
Reloaded actually sums up what a horrible horrible idea the sequels were, in words, no less than 10 minutes into the movie:
"huh, upgrades."
Stephen Colbert
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Where the fuck is X-Men 3?
Where is Superman 3?
Transformers 2?
Beverly Hills Cop 3?
Indy 4?
Godfather 3?
Why the hell is Ghostbusters II on there?
I could write a better list than this shit in my sleep.
Where is Superman 3?
Transformers 2?
Beverly Hills Cop 3?
Indy 4?
Godfather 3?
Why the hell is Ghostbusters II on there?
I could write a better list than this shit in my sleep.
Horse Detective
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Uggghhh fuck those people,
Go see it while its in theaters. Don't let them choose what movies to enjoy.
Prometheus was fun.
xXBetter Off DadXx
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I have absolutely no idea why Ghostbusters 2 gets the amount of dislike and hate that it does.
Also, the idea that a further work "ruins" the former is a claim that I hear often....unless the newer work literally goes back through the fabric of time to change the original or former work, I don't understand this....beyond the sentiment that something was very much enjoyed and then someone personally feels that it was tarnished in a abstract way.
Also, the idea that a further work "ruins" the former is a claim that I hear often....unless the newer work literally goes back through the fabric of time to change the original or former work, I don't understand this....beyond the sentiment that something was very much enjoyed and then someone personally feels that it was tarnished in a abstract way.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Thank you.
But he and the eggs were far away from where the second dropship landed to pick up Bishop. And the two live facehuggers in the medical bay were shot. And Ripley/Newt/Queen had to jump onto the dropship from the unstable platform, so that's not a good opportunity to get on board either. And even if a facehugger did get on board, and did break into someone's sleeping chamber, why did the ship crash? Did it decide to flip just the right set of levers beforehand?
A short scene of the facehugger studying piloting instructions would've been less preposterous.
I'm always weirded out that Reloaded is often pointed to as the bad sequel. It wasn't as mind blowing as the first, but it's hard to make lighning strike twice and the movie itself was far from bad. Its main weakness was that it was a To Be Continued story and it relied on Revolutions for a conclusion and that was the movie that failed. Too little time inside the matrix, too much shooty shooty robot action in Zion, a sort of non-answer for why Neo could control robots outside the matrix, and a return to the status quo ending that doesn't actually resolve anything.
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blame space
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I like Iron Man 2 better than the first one.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
It was cool seeing my water bottle in that movie.
I am not a fan of the drone thing, though.
Discotheque
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People go on about the subway scene in Spidey 2 but that scene with that random ass female talking about Cap in Avengers was just as bad if not worse.
Good Job Bob
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I pity you.
Jurassic Park 3 was horrible.
- You have a 10 year old surviving on the island with his superior wits as the adults are slaughtered.
-You have Pteranodons actively trying to capture and fly off with adult males (presumably to eat). Never mind that they were fish eaters who are built for eating fish sized things, Pteranodons weighed about 90 lbs and wouldn't get off the ground if they tried to lift a 170lb man.
- You have a Spinosaurus fighting and killing a T-Rex just to show how bad ass it is.
And that is just the stuff I remember. I haven't watched either movie since they came out in theaters, and perhaps the Lost World leaves a better impression with me because I was 15 when it was released instead of 19 when the sequel came out, but I hated JP3.
ConfusingJazz
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What female? Was it a central part of the story? Was Cap carried across like Jesus? Did the people make a gesture, that while sweet, was useless and brushed aside by the villain in 3 seconds?
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Discotheque
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Uh Doc Ock brushing them aside was intended to be a funny scene, that whole exchange was very amusing.
Best comic book film out there.
Best comic book film out there.
Impatient Ripley activated both elevators and it took the second one up. We see the doors open and it start to rise. We even see the dropship blasted against the wall, which is where the Queen hops on. Makes perfect sense.
What doesn't make sense is bringing those characters back for the sequel. If they wanted to make an Alien 3 with lots of bald prisoners being picked off by an alien, there wasn't a need to put Ripley in it in the first place.
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The subway scene in Spider-Man 2 is poignant and affecting unlike anything ever shown in a cold Marvel Studios production.
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