Hardware and software. iOS 3 is still less capable than many Android versions in many ways. As for hardware, there's tons of room for improvement aside from just pumping up your processors.
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Maybe Android tablets not doing so bad: at 39% Market Share?
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Hardware and software. iOS 3 is still less capable than many Android versions in many ways. As for hardware, there's tons of room for improvement aside from just pumping up your processors.
They appear to both be shipped figures.
http://www.strategyanalytics.com/default.aspx?mod=pressreleaseviewer&a0=5167
mckmas8808
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I agree. It could be like what the smartphone space looks like now. Android phones took a while to catch up, but it did past the iphone. This is good since I'm looking to get my first Android tablet this year.
Worse yet, I've mentioned it before, but I found Amazon's app store/market absolutely terrible in terms of presentation on the Fire. Unfortunately if that's going to be the first experience with what they think the 'Android Market' for a lot of people as the Fire's popularity grows, that's not a good thing.
Your saying growing shipped numbers for an entire quarter don't matter, but data derived from ad impressions for 10 days holds more value?
I'm not trying to make a comparison to other platforms. I'm just saying iOS 4 was a significant release.
What do you have in mind about hardware? The iPad 2's hardware upgrade was also significant.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/01/24Apple-Reports-First-Quarter-Results.html
RubxQub
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Not so fast
iPhone looks like it's at least equal with Android again in the US and outpacing Android globally.
Er...yeah?
What am I missing here? This isn't like 10 days of sales or something. This is a tracking of all tablet activity in the market. All tablets sold to date would be included in the data. The only way to discount this would be to say that iPad users are much more active than Android/Playbook users or something.
How about better A/V out capabilities? Expandable storage? A better camera? A flash? There's lots of stuff.
poppabk
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That jibes well with the OP. Ipad has been on sale for 20 months, fire for 1.5. So to get approx 2% of the market the fire would have to be somewhere like 20-30% of sales in that period.I wouldn't even believe that during the holiday season there was only 3 iPads sold for every 1 Android tablet. Without sales data I'll continue believing Android basically doesn't exist on tablets in any measurable number until shown otherwise.
Not trying to be an ass about it or anything, I just don't think I've ever seen a convincing report that's shown how Android is at all penetrating the tablet market in any number worth mentioning.
Here's a chart showing web impressions of other tablets...per 100 iPad impressions:
So for every 100 iPads that were active, there were less than 3 Kindle Fires...and that is leading the pack following by the damn Playbook of all things. And this data was pulled less than a month ago.
This data actually means something to me versus whatever crap is in the OP, no offense to the OP.
Edit: This is US + Canada data only specifically I'm referencing here, although I have no reason to believe the trend is dramatically different overseas. If anything I'd expect Europe to be slightly higher percentage wise, but probably still not cracking anything over 25%.
I believe the improvements included a camera and HDMI out capabilities. The software jump also included some other options such as Airplay, IIRC.
I do wonder if Microsoft will bite the bullet and release MS Office for iPad/Android Tablets, especially with them entering the market soon with Windows8.
When that day happens it becomes extremely viable to suggest to someone they can replace their laptop with a tablet and not be restricted in any way.
I'd say within 5 years the majority of GAF will be posting from tablets, not laptops.
When that day happens it becomes extremely viable to suggest to someone they can replace their laptop with a tablet and not be restricted in any way.
I'd say within 5 years the majority of GAF will be posting from tablets, not laptops.
poppabk
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You just discounted fourth quarter sales as a yardstick for android tablets and then quoted 4th quarter sales as a viable yardstick for Apple phones.
mckmas8808
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Why does that matter more to you? And there's 2 ipads out there. This information clearly shows that there's healthy competition in the tablet space now.
It makes sense that Android on tablet will reach the same dominance over iOS the coming years. Apple, as a single producer with a single product, cannot hold domination over the market.
And it would probably be a lot better for competition if they didn't. So yay!
--Sent from my Androidified HP Touchpad
And it would probably be a lot better for competition if they didn't. So yay!
--Sent from my Androidified HP Touchpad
lunarworks
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Didn't HP "ship" half a million TouchPads?
They sold less than 10% of them, prior to the fire sale.
The Faceless Master
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shipped = sold
why are we counting OS instead of Manufacturers!?
why are we counting OS instead of Manufacturers!?
Yeah, those shipped numbers keep going up but I don't think they're translating to real sales (with the possible exceptions of the kindle fire and nook tablet)
Every time some web analytics firm posts stats of website visits or ad impressions from tablets, the ipad is always around 90% or higher.
When (or if) that number starts going down to 80 or 70% for the ipad, then it'll mean that people are buying and using non-iPad tablets. and we'll probably see some of these other tablets in the hands of people in airports and coffee shops and schools. cuz right now, they're practically invisible.
Every time some web analytics firm posts stats of website visits or ad impressions from tablets, the ipad is always around 90% or higher.
When (or if) that number starts going down to 80 or 70% for the ipad, then it'll mean that people are buying and using non-iPad tablets. and we'll probably see some of these other tablets in the hands of people in airports and coffee shops and schools. cuz right now, they're practically invisible.
Don't bother. He's backed into a corner and scared. Next thing you'll know we'll have to talk about fragmentation or something like that.
RubxQub
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Re-reading to make sure, but that's not how I read it.
Actually you're right.
"Research firm Kantar Worldpanel ComTech said Apple's share of the U.S. market doubled from a year ago to 44.9 percent in the October to December period, just beating Google's Android smartphones, which slipped to 44.8 percent from 50 percent."
...so comment retracted!I'm willing to listen to a reasonable argument...honestly. Poppabk is actually trying at least.
Same dominance? Android doesn't dominate on smartphones. Apple basically erased the entire lead Android had and the market is split nearly 50-50. Which is probably where it will stay for a long time I'd imagine. Unless Windows 8 takes off to some degree.
krypt0nian
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Adding them all up is the only way to show any sort of comparison. Until you add in all iOS devices and then it's a runaway horse again.
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The same reason you do it for PCs. It is about the OS when it come to developer support. I don't care if Apple is #1 for PC makers, they are 5% of the market for OSs which means I can't run crap on it.
And LOL at Win 8 making a differnce, just like win7 phones huh?
If you go by pure OS vs OS then the numbers would look pretty different. iirc Apple sold 65 mil iOS devices in the last qtr and have over 350 mil iOS devices in total sold.
Microsoft at least actually seems to be trying this time unlike the joke that was Win7 tablets.
krypt0nian
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Exactly, and that may actually explain the lack of a dev resource shift to android phones in the last year or so. When you look at total OS share, it's an iOS landslide.
More wallets, and more wallets actually willing to spend as well.
It's worded very poorly and can be interpreted both ways. I don't know why they would make a statement like this so unclear.
But if you compare that to neilson's data which shows:
The figures are reasonably close to Kantar's and this one specifies that it is concerning new purchasers in that quarter.
EDIT: Ah you editted.
Treefingers
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I fail to see what Windows Phone 7 has to do with Windows 8...
Let's be honest, we know they won't add expandable storage.
A better front facing camera I can agree with though. The rear camera I haven't used since the first day I opened the tablet. Rear cameras on tablets are useless and awkward. Honestly and I felt they just added that to the iPad 2 as a "me too".
I think AirPlay will be the future going forward in regards to A/V output.
That's for one quarter, and that covered when the 4S launched. Android is still substantially ahead.
Edit: You caught the mistake. Back on the same page.
I haven't actually gotten around to playing with a Fire yet. I don't really care for the Amazon market on my EVO and haven't bought anything from it as it's all available on the Android Market which I know will be around for years. Amazon market? Yeah, it may be up in a few years. Who knows.
The problem with ad impressions, is they are rarely counted as unique, and a single user can account for a large portion of impressions. Chitika appears to be solely web based, so browser usage would get thrown into the mix. It's just a poor stat to derive install base.
Unique Market based android devices surpassed 250 million last month. They are activating 700K unique(new) accounts per day and the rate is growing. (None of this counts Non-Google android devices).
I don't think that's a landslide in any sense of the word.
Also wasn't there a report somewhere that showed Android owners bought very few apps while iOS owners spent a lot more money on apps?
Amazon isn't going to go anywhere. They are betting the farm on tablets. They are in this for the long haul.
These comparisons are not very fair since android apps are more skewed towards getting revenue from ads rather than from buying the app itself.
RubxQub
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Agreed, not ideal...but at least it's real data with actually sold devices versus just talking about shipped numbers. I'm just fishing for anything better than what's in the OP. I don't give a rats about shipped numbers.
I feel like I'm arguing about NPD results like the good 'ole days
Thats because much of the good stuff on android is already free.
That may be, but I'm still not interested in anything Amazon branded unless they get a substantially better tablet out there that has access to the full market and is stock ICS. Which they won't do. So it's just not for me, but a lot of people just want to be able to play Angry Birds, watch Netflix, and read Amazon Kindle books. For that, it's fantastic.
I'm intrigued by the 7" Asus tab, particularly with the power it will pack in combination with it's price. Hoping that in a year or less we'll see similar specs in a 10" tab for about $350. Then I'll jump in.
This is only up through the 3rd quarter of last year, so the 4S probably shook up the numbers a good bit.
mckmas8808
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They are both comparing shipped in this report. Android will destroy anything that MS puts up on Windows 8. Have you seen there tablet numbers so far?
mckmas8808
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So you are saying that you respect what MS is doing in the tablet and smart phone game way more than what Google is doing in the tablet and smart phone market?
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The only company that could in theory be a threat to the iPad is Amazon, but they need better hardware.
Don't think Google or any of their OEMs have anything as cohesive as iTunes. Google is starting to stitch their services together and it might take a while before this has any affect on anything Android or for that matter Android tablet related.
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The only company that could in theory be a threat to the iPad is Amazon, but they need better hardware.
Don't think Google or any of their OEMs have anything as cohesive as iTunes. Google is starting to stitch their services together and it might take a while before this has any affect on anything Android or for that matter Android tablet related.
RubxQub
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Easily, yes. Android is the "me too" OS in my eyes and why I'm harsher on it. I'm personally of the opinion that Google blatantly changed up their entire game plan with Android once the iPhone was released to mirror it as closely as they could and putting their own spin on it. Don't really want to get into here, though...but yeah.
Windows 8 is actually a unique vision and delivery as far as we've seen thus far...as is WP7. As was WebOS.
krypt0nian
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Now check how many of those unique accounts actually buy things. haHA!
Yeah that will bring the dev support in DROVES!
There was actually an interesting article about the people that made Temple Run and how they made significantly more money when they went free to play than when they'd charged $.99. That's not the case for everybody, but people are certainly making money on ad views in apps. I prefer to buy an app if it's something I'm going to use often. Sometimes devs don't even make that an option, and I would assume it's because they'd rather get the ad money.
RubxQub
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I'd have to read into it more, but Temple Run is Freemium if I'm not mistaken. They sell in game money to be used for upgrades. Not sure if that was the reason for the jump or what, but the Freemium model seems to work really well.
krypt0nian
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Oh I agree. But I'd posit that this was possible because of the healthy iOS gaming scene more than any other reason. Now that it has huge word of mouth, it's headed over to android.
Enjoy android people. Great game! I got my largely non-gamer partner hooked on it on my iPhone, and he cannot wait to have something he loves on his android phone.
EDIT: yes, Temple Run is a Freemium release, but wholly playable without buying anything IMO.
Right, freemium is what I meant. Definitely seems to be the way to go if you have a good title like they did.
Yeah it's coming in February sometime. Would have liked for it sooner, but I think it's just a husband and wife team so I'm sure it's hard for them to keep one version up to date without adding another. I actually hate ads in my games so if there's an option to buy it for a dollar or two I always do.
krypt0nian
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I agree. If I love a game I'd rather flush the ads and support the dev team. Sometimes I'll buy some DLC just to throw them $$ if the is no paid version. It's become the platform I do the majority of my gaming on in terms of time spent, so I have to support that ecosystem.
mckmas8808
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Yeah I figured as much. While Android isn't no where near close to a me too OS. In your opinion why hasn't WP7 sold well?
RubxQub
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Too late to the game as developers had largely picked iOS and Android to develop for by the time they got their act together. The Windows Phone experience is pretty sweet. I used to love my Zune back in the day so I appreciate the interface a bit...it's just that coming from Microsoft, they should have a major gaming franchise like Halo on their platform. Microsoft should be crushing it on the software side but they don't even show a desire to kickstart it themselves.
I agree with what others have said in the past that Windows Phone 7 is a stop-gap solution to keep some mindshare until W8 drops. MS themselves don't seem to care about WP7 enough to try and push it, so I'm guessing they're trying to make a splash with the next one.
Also think Microsoft in general is losing mindshare as a consumer brand and is being pushed into the "business" market.
Agreed, though I spend a lot more time on my PS3 and 360 than I do anything else. For what cell phone games are, they're good. But they're no replacement, at least for me.
I know you didn't ask me, but I think that WP7 is a great OS. It's just too late, way too late. They've never really led in the market, RIM and Symbian had them by the balls. Then the iPhone came out followed by the G1 and the rest of the Android phones and MS just took too long to answer.
I also think there is a stigma leftover from people's past experiences with Windows Mobile (what a piece of crap that was..). I also think that since most of the big manufactures are putting their bleeding edge tech into Android phones, they're not getting that bit of hype either. Some people would say that WP7 doesn't need the bleeding tech and that it runs well on low or middle hardware. That may be, but people like to have the best thing out there.
krypt0nian
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oh believe me, I love (worship) console gaming, it's just that I'm out more than home lately. The best gaming is the gaming you have with you, or some such.
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