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[QVT]

I'll raise to that, games can look beautiful in 480p and I like my systems to be affordable, too.

They tend to suffer on HDTV's, though. Thankfully theres no way anyone can pass off 480p in 4 or 5 years.

Hopefully we'll see some type of "Wii Lite" once the Wii is constantly in stock, and it'll offer newer games the ability to go 720p in a God of War 2 esque fashion(even though GOW2 wasn't actually 720p they could have just not downsized their original textures)

 

[Vagabundo]

Anyway, god damn it people buy the damn Ps3 will you, its a great bit of kit.

I wont do it.

You'll just have to buy a PC like sensible people.

 

[jimbo]

I'll raise to that, games can look beautiful in 480p and I like my systems to be affordable, too.

Unless you own a 1080p TV. Even if the game itself looks great.

 

[Vagabundo]

Hopefully we'll see some type of "Wii Lite" once the Wii is constantly in stock, and it'll offer newer games the ability to go 720p in a God of War 2 esque fashion(even though GOW2 wasn't actually 720p they could have just not downsized their original textures)

Kinda like a turbo mode??
I doubt they will do that. WiiHD will come when the Wii stops selling (4-5 years probably) or there is a new competitor on the block.

 

[Parl]

When does the DS stop selling 100k+?

I dunno. Not anytime soon...

Media Create Sales 4/10 - 4/16 (2017)

NSL: 165,840
DSL: 109,644
Wii3: 88,683
Wii2: 17,918
PSL: 16,204
PS5: 13,945
X1080　: 6,338
PS2: 　396
PS4　: 327
NS: 447
PSP2: 143

 

[Magicpaint]

Unless you own a 1080p TV. Even if the game itself looks great.

Yeah, I'm sure when I finally own a HDTV set, Wii games will look so bad, that they suddenly become unplayable.

 

[jepense]

Holy crapola...

Wait, the Wii alone is selling more than the sum of all non-nintendo hardware?

By a big margin if true... and then on top of that the DS is selling more than Wii + everything else.

 

[1-D_FTW]

On my large HDTV they don't look beautiful.

If they use heavily stylized graphics (which should be mandatory for Wii), they can look decent.

But this isn't Nintendo's fault. This is Sony's fault. Setting, and gloating about, an outrageous price point and having your internal game developers not be even remotely close to being ready for its launch is what got them these figures.

They're gonna be pulling 7,000 units a week pretty soon and they don't seem to give a damn. The software not being there is a huge problem, but a desperate price drop is needed NOW. PS3 has been paralleling N64 for years now and if Sony thinks a couple eventual heavy hitters are gonna stem the tide upon release... they're naive.

They need to blow their entire wad now, cause only some kind of miracle is gonna save them now.

 

[jimbo]

Yeah, I'm sure when I finally own a HDTV set, Wii games will look so bad, that they suddenly become unplayable.

Nice spin. What's playability have to do with the fact that it looks bad?

 

[DefectiveReject]

Wii games look fine on my HDTV
Then again i'm not a graphics whoring single console fanboy!

 

[Thraktor]

Unless you own a shitty 1080p TV. Even if the game itself looks great.

Fixed. Seriously people, if you're going to buy a HD set and plan on playing SD content on it, buy one with a decent internal scaler. They do exist, and if you put a bit of research in, they really aren't that hard to find.

 

[Saoh]

Holy shit at Wii selling 6 times greater than PS3.

in before sonybots (tabris?) say "well, if sony sold 1 PS3 and Nintendo sold 6 Wii that is not impressive"

 

[apotema]

I dunno. Not anytime soon...

Media Create Sales 4/10 - 4/16 (2017)

NSL: 165,840
DSL: 109,644
Wii3: 88,683
Wii2: 17,918
PSL: 16,204
PS5: 13,945
X1080　: 6,338
PS2: 　396
PS4　: 327
NS: 447
PSP2: 143

O Rly?? Will X1080 sell that much?

 

[Magicpaint]

Nice spin. What's playability have to do with the fact that it looks bad?

Oh so it looks bad now?

I guess it truly is your problem not mine.

 

[Roders5]

So, dear companions, let's raise our glasses and drink a toast to another 5 years of japanese games in 480p with no AA. I'm crying tears of joy here.

Spoiler

Not.

I think the word you are looking for is 'bitterness'. 'Joy' means something completely different.

 

[Durante]

I think the word you are looking for is 'bitterness'. 'Joy' means something completely different.

You don't say?

 

[vanguardian1]

Many of the best games ever made ran in resolutions *lower* than 480, so what's the big problem?

 

[Durante]

Wii games look fine on my HDTV
Then again i'm not a graphics whoring single console fanboy!

Wii games look horrible on all HD displays I've seen them on. Even the best scaler doesn't help if your aliased pixels are huge like xbox, and your dithering patterns (IN 2007 PEOPLE) pierce the eye. I'm a graphics-appreciating all-console and PC guy.

Many of the best games ever made ran in resolutions *lower* than 480, so what's the big problem?

The classical fallacy. Those games were great despite the technical limitations, not because of them. The Wii will also have great games like that - it already does have Zelda! They will just look a lot worse than they could have on a real next-gen platform. How much that bothers you depends on your taste.

 

[DefectiveReject]

Wii games look horrible on all HD displays I've seen them on. Even the best scaler doesn't help if your aliased pixels are huge like xbox, and your dithering patterns (IN 2007 PEOPLE) pierce the eye. I'm a graphics-appreciating all-console and PC guy.
.

Well fortunately there’s about 50million people like me, to every one of you!

 

[typhonsentra]

Normal sales and normal post count growth I see.

 

[Haunted]

DSL 123814
Wii　 68566
PSP　22720
PS3　11970
PS2　12721
360　 3067

Nice try, Anihawk. We all know that PS3 is clearly missing a 0.

Spoiler

It's all over.

 

[jepense]

Wii games look horrible on all HD displays I've seen them on. Even the best scaler doesn't help if your aliased pixels are huge like xbox, and your dithering patterns (IN 2007 PEOPLE) pierce the eye. I'm a graphics-appreciating all-console and PC guy.

The classical fallacy. Those games were great despite the technical limitations, not because of them. The Wii will also have great games like that - it already does have Zelda! They will just look a lot worse than they could have on a real next-gen platform. How much that bothers you depends on your taste.

There are consoles available that give you more than 480p. Nintendo chose to make one that doesn't, and it seems like that was the right thing to do - cutting back costs. The average consumer does not notice "eye-piercing dithering." So you could say that the Wii is, to some extent, successful because of its technical limitations, not despite them.

 

[FrankT]

DSL 123814
Wii　 68566
PSP　22720
PS3　11970
PS2　12721
360　 3067

I said wow.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I wont do it.

You'll just have to buy a PC like sensible people.

In that, you'll find all the problems of sony. Ignoring his PC comments, Sony priced themselves way out of competition that however did market analysis for them should be castrated. Who did they select for a population? Did they only take a retrospective analysis from GameFAQs or something? WTF? That guy who heads that department should be fired. There is no way they didn't have warning signs.

Or unless, they just repeatedly ignored every sign. I don't even say wow anymore to the sales. It's just wow at how dumb Sony was on this issue. As a matter of fact, with the third party situation as of right now, given Sony would need about 6 miracles to happen, to catch MS, let alone Nintendo, I can honestly say I won't need a Sony machine this gen. GTA is the only thing that'll move me. 360 is getting it day 1.

Actually, I lied. I did buy a PS3 but took it back, never opened it. Technicality.

 

[Model 500]

Could someone bother to make a graph or a long list of monthly all system hardware sales (JP, US, EU) after the launch of 360 to this day? Or direct me to an existing one. Thanks!

 

[schuelma]

Wow, insane PS3 numbers if true. I only expect the gap to widen the next two weeks as Nintendo rolls out some big guns.

It's O-V-E-R

 

[Durante]

There are consoles available that give you more than 480p. Nintendo chose to make one that doesn't, and it seems like that was the right thing to do - cutting back costs. The average consumer does not notice "eye-piercing dithering." So you could say that the Wii is, to some extent, successful because of its technical limitations, not despite them.

I agree with everything you said - from a business perspective it seems like Nintendo did everything right. As both a gamer and an engineer I just don't like it.

 

[marc^o^]

We thought people would buy a PS3, and then a Wii as a second console.
In fact it will be the other way around.

 

[plagiarize]

When does the DS stop selling 100k+?

when there are shortages.

if you mean, when will it stop selling 100,000 when there's ample supply... **** knows.

 

[Gekkonidae]

Media Create Sales 4/10 - 4/16 (2017)

NSL: 165,840
DSL: 109,644
Wii3: 88,683
Wii2: 17,918
PSL: 16,204
PS5: 13,945
X1080　: 6,338
PS2: 　396
PS4　: 327
NS: 447
PSP2: 143

PS5's not selling! Sony am doomed!

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I like where this Mcreate thread is headed. Is there a new fish around here? I smell fresh fish. I put 10 wii points on the first one to cry (durante) when the lights go out (confirmed hardware, NPD). Either way, Andy Dufrense won't even make a peep.

 

[wonderfuldays]

Cut PS3 price Sony, it won't be fun if only one Wii future in JAP.

 

[FrankT]

I like where this Mcreate thread is headed. Is there a new fish around here? I smell fresh fish. I put 10 wii points on the first one to cry (durante) when the lights go out (confirmed hardware, NPD). Either way, Andy Dufrense won't even make a peep.

Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Cut PS3 price Sony, it won't be fun if only one Wii future in JAP.

I think it'll be plenty fun. I never really witnessed the evolution of the Nintendo fanboy, watching the birth and cultivation of the Sony fanboy is actually quite interesting.

 

[plagiarize]

Cut PS3 price Sony, it won't be fun if only one Wii future in JAP.

you mean cut the price *again*.

i don't want to see a one console future either... but sony aren't in the best position to cut the price. when you *need* to cut the price to drive sales, that is never a good scenario, espescially if you're the new console on the market.

I think it'll be plenty fun. I never really witnessed the evolution of the Nintendo fanboy, watching the birth and cultivation of the Sony fanboy is actually quite interesting.

huge initial sales and a big drop off show me that the fanboys were already out there... they just weren't revealed. those are the kind of sales trends we associated with the gamecube.

 

[joetachi]

I think it'll be plenty fun. I never really witnessed the evolution of the Nintendo fanboy, watching the birth and cultivation of the Sony fanboy is actually quite interesting.

Yep that's what i want to see Sony fans turn into that.

 

[OnWarmerMusic]

I dunno. Not anytime soon...

Media Create Sales 4/10 - 4/16 (2017)

NSL: 165,840
DSL: 109,644
DC2: 104,737
Wii3: 88,683
Wii2: 17,918
PSL: 16,204
PS5: 13,945
X1080　: 6,338
PS2: 　396
PS4　: 327
NS: 447
PSP2: 143

Edited for great justice.

 

[Pureauthor]

you mean cut the price *again*.

i don't want to see a one console future either... but sony aren't in the best position to cut the price. when you *need* to cut the price to drive sales, that is never a good scenario, espescially if you're the new console on the market.

The way the market works is: The one in the best position to cut the price is the one that doesn't need to.

 

[marc^o^]

The way the market works is: The one in the best position to cut the price is the one that doesn't need to.

That should be added to your GAF for dummies book .

 

[QVT]

PS5's not selling! Sony am doomed!

I like the PS2 outselling the PS4. It amused me.

 

[birdchili]

are there any ps3 jrpgs on the horizon at all? i realize that new gen year one is always a scant one for japanese rpgs, but this gen seems particularly bad (with the 360 arguably in the lead on this front still?)

i don't think even a substantial price drop puts sony back in the game at this point - they need software, and i'm not sure what's upcoming and exclusive that will make a big difference. the momentum (or lack thereof) of bad market perception is *really* hard to shake too.

there are going to be a lot of postmortems discussing the "premature hd" mistake methinks.

OffT: creamsugar - who drew your avatar and where is it from?

 

[Diablos54]

If those hardware numbers are correct, the PS3 is dead in Japan. :lol

 

[schuelma]

are there any ps3 jrpgs on the horizon at all? i realize that new gen year one is always a scant one for japanese rpgs, but this gen seems particularly bad (with the 360 arguably in the lead on this front still?)

i don't think even a substantial price drop puts sony back in the game at this point - they need software, and i'm not sure what's upcoming and exclusive that will make a big difference. the momentum (or lack thereof) of bad market perception is *really* hard to shake too.

there are going to be a lot of postmortems discussing the "premature hd" mistake methinks.

OffT: creamsugar - who drew your avatar and where is it from?

Madden 07


For Golden Week



BEEEREEEIVE!!

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Madden 07 is the new VF5?

 

[birdchili]

Madden 07

it would be safe to *totally guess* that Madden doesn't exactly light up the charts in Japan, right?

and that it's not exclusive?

are they doing another Wii-ified version for 07?

 

[The_lascar]

PS2: 　396
PS4　: 327

:lol

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Wow at the unconfirmed PS3 numbers, we know it will pick up by golden week....but wow.

 

[Wyndstryker]

I dunno. Not anytime soon...

Media Create Sales 4/10 - 4/16 (2017)

NSL: 165,840
DSL: 109,644
Wii3: 88,683
Wii2: 17,918
PSL: 16,204
PS5: 13,945
X1080　: 6,338
PS2: 　396
PS4　: 327
NS: 447
PSP2: 143

No dreamcast?! Blasphemy!

 

[jimbo]

Fixed. Seriously people, if you're going to buy a HD set and plan on playing SD content on it, buy one with a decent internal scaler. They do exist, and if you put a bit of research in, they really aren't that hard to find.

For your record I've got one of the newest and best LCD TV's on the market. It doesn't matter how good a scaler is, you're going to get one of two things. With a great scaler, less pixelation, but more blurr....or more pixelation but less blurr. A TV is not going to create information that just isn't there in the image. It will scale-up or stretch the image to fit the screen.

The Wii or any other non-HD source simply looks like crap, and almost always WORSE than a regular CRT TV would.

People can spin this as much as they want, the fact is the Wii's graphics and image quality will become even more noticeable as times goes on, not the other way around. Once everyone gets used to HD 360/PS3 graphics, looking at even the best Wii screenshots will be the equivalent of PS screens compare to the previous generation.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

People can spin this as much as they want, the fact is the Wii's graphics and image quality will become even more noticeable as times goes on, not the other way around. Once everyone gets used to HD 360/PS3 graphics, looking at even the best Wii screenshots will be the equivalent of PS screens compare to the previous generation.

Yeah, but how long it will take until everyone is willing to buy a PS3 or XBOX 360?

Remember with consoles that launch at the $300 price point had a huge majority of its sales when it hit the $200 mark and below.