Moor-Angol
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i know it's not indicative, but today in Sofmap Omiya (Saitama prefecture) new Mario Wii was sold out.
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Media Create Sales: Dec 21 - 27, 2009
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Mojojo said:
The problem with the comparison between "2D Mario" and "2D Zelda" is that 2D Mario is a much simpler concept, gameplay wise, than 2D Zelda. You might see an increase in sales with a hypothetical "NEW Legend of Zelda", but I don't think there'd be anything near the disparity that we have between NSMB (and NSMB Wii) and SMG, for example.
onken
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OK what did I miss? Wii/DS doing great, PS3 whupping last years numbers, PSP still kicking, Go is just lol, 360 basically didn't get even get a spike this year.
FF13 drop slightly bigger than than I thought, but about right relative to first first week. NSMB still tearing it up of course, Zelda not gigantic out of the gate but it'll have legs, IE2 doing great.
Whew, what a year.
FF13 drop slightly bigger than than I thought, but about right relative to first first week. NSMB still tearing it up of course, Zelda not gigantic out of the gate but it'll have legs, IE2 doing great.
Whew, what a year.
JoshuaJSlone
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9 systems working together can finally overcome the bump from DS's explosion. :lolThe_lascar said:
Not a bad guess. Looking back, I've got Wii's first quarter 2009 games still at under 600K, though maybe the end-of-year lists will push them over.Onesimos said:
:lol That's a lot of qualifiers, though. They were able to win with nothing! Except colors. And bundles. And huge software. And a price cut. And 2/3 of the year coming before PS3's relaunch.Azelover said:
Kurosaki Ichigo
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11 out of 14, with 2 of those just at 503 units above.Road said:
Some Comgnet points system notes I found weird today:
- NSMB only does 272pt after two weeks with ~900. Severe shortages in comgnet stores, no other reason.
- FFXIII used sales go down from ~30pt last week to 26pt (week 12/28-1/3). Weird.
Normal sales go down but not by much (~450? to 330). If anyone was wondering, DQIX is king of used sales by far, its probably eating a lot into new sales.
- KHBBS reaches 1000pt in preorders. With a few days still away, last preorders for other titles were: KH 358/2 had 588pt, Crisis Core 755pt, Dissidia 703pt, Kingdom Hearts 2 2158pt. KH2 figure is probably too old to hold any weight, FF titles just don't behave the same...just felt about sharing.
Thunder Monkey
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And you've got a competent second place handheld there too. The handheld market in Japan is larger then it's ever been.AniHawk said:
No, year trends. There were no releases the previous week. Hardware usually goes up at week 1 comparing to week 52. But week 52 was already bigger than usually so I don't know how big the rise will be next week, if there is any. It won't be too long before we find out. We will know this Friday.Parl said:
Cygnus X-1
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The_lascar said:
This is really waaay beyond my expectations.
Pureauthor
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I'm not sure if this is really the thread it belongs in, but someone who goes by Dr Mario Kart on the Penny Arcade forums has compiled a list of all the studios that has contracted, shut down, or in general went through a rough patch in 2009, and I think it's something worth taking a look at.
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showpost.php?p=13038018&postcount=1677
(The spoiler system on that forum works differently from this one so I can't quote it here. Sorry about that.)
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showpost.php?p=13038018&postcount=1677
(The spoiler system on that forum works differently from this one so I can't quote it here. Sorry about that.)
It'd have easily made it with the three, and possibly two (though it'd have been a slow burn for the Lite). It'll easily break 32 million this year, and could well end with a LTD of around 40 million. It just depends on when Nintendo decides to put out a successor.AniHawk said:
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
gerg said:
Zelda peaked with Ocarina, 3D Mario went in a totally odd direction. It cut off the majority of a huge number of Mario players, while probably attracting new totally different ones which leaves a much smaller number of 2D Mario fans making the transition to 3D.
Zelda need a proper "NEW Ocarina", and not just a wannabe version or remake. Just a Zelda game with the same impact, the same ammount of things that weren't seen before in a game with the same magic to them.
I suspect NSMB Wii is falling into shortages precisely so Nintendo can leverage weekly Wii sales. It'd look good for the title to have staggered but consistent big weeks rather than have bigger drop offs. The game would then keep the system above its baseline for awhile. Next week will tell us for sure, but I think the game will see several more big weeks before hitting its half-year long legs.
I mentioned in the beginning of December that I expect there to be a strong correlation between NSMB Wii and Wii hardware for several months, and this will be one way for Nintendo to do it. Ideally, the Wii should have a better Q1 lineup, but unlike last year, they can get away with it for 2010.
I frequently see Galaxy 2 as something that could solve the Wii's Q1 weakness, but I disagree, and I'd say Spirit Tracks is a pretty good indicator of what could happen. I still think Galaxy 2 should be replaced with something like New Super Mario 64 if Nintendo's going to try another 3D Mario.
I mentioned in the beginning of December that I expect there to be a strong correlation between NSMB Wii and Wii hardware for several months, and this will be one way for Nintendo to do it. Ideally, the Wii should have a better Q1 lineup, but unlike last year, they can get away with it for 2010.
I frequently see Galaxy 2 as something that could solve the Wii's Q1 weakness, but I disagree, and I'd say Spirit Tracks is a pretty good indicator of what could happen. I still think Galaxy 2 should be replaced with something like New Super Mario 64 if Nintendo's going to try another 3D Mario.
Stumpokapow
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Chris1964 said:
I don't think what he's asking for is impossible. While Ocarina was huge and remains very well loved today, it strikes me that since then there have been a number of major action or action adventure or RPG-ish games that have been similarly huge. Not talking about sales, but impact on gaming consciousness--Morrowind and later Oblivion, both Fable games, Shadow of the Colossus, Assassin's Creed 1/2, Batman AA, Uncharted 1/2, even Metroid Prime as a serious in a lot of ways... hell, I'd say God of War if the tone wasn't so awful or Heavenly Sword if it had actually lived up to its promise... plus Okami and BG&E which both have been repeatedly accused of having done Zelda better than Zelda did. There's also the open world revolution of the last two generations, of which I'd probably cite Just Cause, GTA3/4, and Crackdown for different reasons, and I'd also add WoW to the pile.
All of these games, even though they vary in overall genre, run with some pieces of the OoT puzzle and bring new elements to the table. All of them are pretty major in gaming's canon over the last few decades. Regardless of anyone's opinion on Twilight Princess, it really didn't add much to the canon and isn't likely to be an influence, but I don't think this precludes there being another revolutionary Zelda.
On the other hand, there are a few issues:
1) The Wii, frankly, can't deliver an AV showcase the way OoT was back then. Twilight Princess certainly doesn't show off the Wii, but even assuming a best case scenario there are going to be visual limits that are going to make it less stunning than OoT was. A more cartoon art style would better play to these limits, but OoT was at least realistic for the time.
People might piss and moan that you don't need HD or that visuals aren't everything or whatever, and that's true, but OoT was a heartstopper at least in part because it was so visually impressive at the time.
2) There are key design decisions in a Zelda that Nintendo will always choose to make that prevent the game from being at the forefront of western gaming in 2010. No voices for Link. Tutorial messages every time you open a box or get 5 rupees. Fixed dungeon formula. Pretty weak overworlds by choice. Very linear progression. No blood or gore--now that's not to say everything has to be God of War, but Zelda has always been a soft T game and that limits certain things.
Again, not that any of these design decisions are bad per se, just that they probably prevent any new Zelda from really being the kind of game Azelover was asking for.
*shrugs*
You're saying that they would deliberately prevent all these kids who have just received otoshidama from spending money on Nintendo products just to try to improve sales through January? That makes zero sense. A real sale now is more valuable than a potential sale next week, and I don't see any worth in maintaining a smooth number on Media Create anyway. Year-end has always been Nintendo's forte, and noone expects otherwise.cvxfreak said:
Mojojo said:
No big image but.....
Legend of Zelda (FC) - 1.69 million
Adventures of Link (FC) - 1.61 million
Ocarina of Time (N64) - 1.14 million
Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 902k
Wind Waker (GC) - 742k
Majora's Mask (N64) - 601k
Twilight Princess (Wii) - 552k
Oracle of Ages (GBC) - 373k
Oracle of Seasons (GBC) - 372k
Link's Awakening DX (GBC) - 314k
Link to the Past + 4 Swords (GBA) - 293k
Minish Cap (GBA) - 235k
Four Swords Adventure (GC) - 127k
Missing titles: Link's Awakening GB original, Link to the Past SFC.
As you can see, Zelda is no Mario.
The_lascar
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Captain Smoker
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fixed.duckroll said:
The_lascar
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What is your source for Link's Awakening ?
Captain Smoker
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http://www.geocities.jp/v7160c_l5/gb.htmlThe_lascar said:
Search: ゼルダの伝説　夢をみる島
onken
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cvxfreak said:
People often said this about the Wii hardware after launch. I guarantee you every company is trying to throw out as much of their product as fast as possible, ESPECIALLY over the holiday season. As someone else said, it's kids with their new year's money (like me, buaha) out to spend it. They're not going to hold out for a re-supply, they'll simply buy something else.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
JoshuaJSlone said:
Now that you mention it, I had been saying that a lot about the Wii, that people were putting a bunch of qualifiers. It probably rubbed off on me..
What I meant was that I don't think there's reason to rebuy the system outside of maybe colors, wereas with the PS3 I think there was. And plus the Wii's market was more saturated, that type of surge surprised me. Kindof. I was expecting the Wii to sort of go very slow until a refresh came along, kind of like the DS did for its standards back in 2008 until DSi hit.
onken said:
True, but if consumers really want the game, and if there is no similar game already on the market, then I imagine that they'll be happy (or willing) to wait to buy it. I understand that you're suggesting that lots of consumers who aren't "die-hard" Mario fans may not be able to make their purchase if the game isn't on shelves, but if there is, quite literally, nothing else like the game on the market I can only imagine that demand for it will be delayed, not destroyed.
poppabk
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I think over holiday seasons, where a significant portion of game sales are gifts, if the game/system isn't available then something else is bought in its place. When the US was having Wii shortages Nintendo ran a rain check program to make sure that they didn't miss out on those gift sales.gerg said:
Went shopping today:
1. NSMB Wii sold out at the 4 stores I went to.
2. 2 of the stores were also sold out of Wii.
3. Lots of copies of Graces both new and used (and since the used copies have appeared it is pretty much over for new sales.
4. Saw 2 people buying SW3 (which has not drpped in price yet in my city)
5. Loads of used FFXIII but I saw a few people buying new PS3s along with used FFXIII (so even as a used title FFXIII might still help move some units)
6. One store had a demo kiosk set up with FAMICOM(!) super mario bros. set up. But all copies of the Famicom cart itself was sold out.
1. NSMB Wii sold out at the 4 stores I went to.
2. 2 of the stores were also sold out of Wii.
3. Lots of copies of Graces both new and used (and since the used copies have appeared it is pretty much over for new sales.
4. Saw 2 people buying SW3 (which has not drpped in price yet in my city)
5. Loads of used FFXIII but I saw a few people buying new PS3s along with used FFXIII (so even as a used title FFXIII might still help move some units)
6. One store had a demo kiosk set up with FAMICOM(!) super mario bros. set up. But all copies of the Famicom cart itself was sold out.
Vinnk said:
Thanks as always. I don't really agree with cvx that Nintendo is doing this on purpose, but I do think the limited supply is going to help hardware Q1. And SW3 just surprises me..I would never have guessed it would comfortably outsell Graces in the end. It could be around 250K or so after next week and probably sputter above 300K depending on supply.
Bel Marduk
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Vinnk said:
What? :lol So awesome.
poppabk said:
Sure, but then these consumers are likely to buy another game-related product. If we agree that there is nothing similarly akin to NSMB Wii on the market, such that people who want a multiplayer sidescroller with a large emphasis on nostalgia would buy such a game when NSMB Wii is not available, then I don't see why (unless I lack expendable money) my demand for NSMB Wii will subside because I couldn't buy it this week.
Bear in mind that people can be patient, especially when the holiday season is over. The people who would have bought NSMB Wii on its eighth or ninth week aren't going to be bothered if they end up having to buy it on its tenth or eleventh week, at least not to the extent that they won't make the purchase.
JoshuaJSlone
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I've heard of intentional shortages, but I THINK IT'S BEEN LONG ENOUGH in this case.Vinnk said:
Vinnk said:
It is interesting that I have seen photos of advertisements/TV commericals (on Youtube) for New Super Mario Bros. Wii and often they make references to the original Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario Bros. 3 (another link).
Hero of Legend
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I'm really happy that at least SW3 is performing decently still, shame about Graces.
I do wonder though, I don't recall Graces being bundled with a PRO is it? Is the PRO very popular in Japan? I wonder if there was a PRO bundle for Graces, would've it done better?
I do wonder though, I don't recall Graces being bundled with a PRO is it? Is the PRO very popular in Japan? I wonder if there was a PRO bundle for Graces, would've it done better?
Hero of Legend said:I'm really happy that at least SW3 is performing decently still, shame about Graces.
I do wonder though, I don't recall Graces being bundled with a PRO is it? Is the PRO very popular in Japan? I wonder if there was a PRO bundle for Graces, would've it done better?
The Tales of Graces Wii bundle did contain a Classic Controller Pro.
Hero of Legend
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Onesimos said:
I was trying to recall if it did. How well is the Wii bundle doing? Do M-Create and Famitsu track game sales in HW bundles?
Brofist
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Hero of Legend said:I'm really happy that at least SW3 is performing decently still, shame about Graces.
I do wonder though, I don't recall Graces being bundled with a PRO is it? Is the PRO very popular in Japan? I wonder if there was a PRO bundle for Graces, would've it done better?
I think it would have done better bundled with a copy of NSMB.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Consumers buying for themselves are likely to buy another gaming related product and may end up getting NSMB:Wii down the line - gift givers are not able to wait. If they can't find NSMB:Wii they may buy one of a hundred different other gifts instead, because they have a specific deadline for the purchase. Constraining shipments during a gift giving holiday is a bad idea.gerg said: