Segata Sanshiro
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Yes, I do. I was pretty clear with my definition, I thought. Though the Wii version *does* tip RE4 above CV. I still think it's a franchise in trouble, though.duckroll said:
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Media Create Sales: Jan. 11 - 17, 2010
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mugurumakensei said:
RE5 definitely cost more than RE4, which cost more than RECVX, etc. We are not comparing franchises with each other, we are comparing the decline of sales within a series with rising development costs in each new entry.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Okay, then we completely agree on specifics, but not on the actual terms used then.
charlequin
Banned
Re: dying, unless someone can suggest some strong evidence that FF's decline will arrest at some specific point that's clearly still above the profitability point I think it's a pretty safe judgment. Just because something is dying doesn't mean it will die. If someone has cancer, you can say "if things continue on the current trend and we don't make a major change that alters the underlying situation, they will die" or just shorten that to "they're dying" and that's pretty descriptive of FF's situation right now. :lol
X-2 is kind of uniquely positioned in the sense that I literally can't think of another game quite like it (Tales of Symphonia Twoish is the closest and that's still not quite close enough); you can think of it as a really spinoff-y main entry or a really main-entry-esque spinoff, but either way it's clearly not 100% main entry the same way that X, XII, and XIII are (and the sales match that presumption.)
Chris1964 said:
X-2 is kind of uniquely positioned in the sense that I literally can't think of another game quite like it (Tales of Symphonia Twoish is the closest and that's still not quite close enough); you can think of it as a really spinoff-y main entry or a really main-entry-esque spinoff, but either way it's clearly not 100% main entry the same way that X, XII, and XIII are (and the sales match that presumption.)
Pureauthor
Member
charlequin said:
Well they could try again with FFX-0 where you play as Jecht's gang and the final battle would be Braska's Final Aeon vs. Sin.
Or would that be too awesome?
charlequin
Banned
Pureauthor said:
I always thought that was a weird idea. You'd go through exactly the same locations in exactly the same order as FFX, only the ending would be crappy. :lol
nodish2 said:
Definitely supposed to assume that already.
Pureauthor
Member
charlequin said:
Well, it worked for Kingdom Hearts!
mugurumakensei
Member
Pureauthor said:
Not just once but twice :lol
I assume he meant at least 358/2 days if not Chain of Memories as well.duckroll said:
Pureauthor
Member
duckroll said:
CoM and 358/2 both used nothing but recycled worlds. Heck, 358/2 even recycled the layout of almost everything.
And in 358/2's case, the ending was depressing too!
Baki
Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
Isn't the next PSP* rumoured to have the latest PowerVR graphics chip (SGX543MP) which is supposed to be comparable to the RSX and Xbox 360 xenos? Link
Then factor in the fact that it will be rendering lower resolutions and we have potential PS3/X360 graphics on the PSP 2.
So I'm thinking if FFXV is released as a title for PSP 2, they can still maintain graphic fidelity while working on the portable strengths of the platform.
* (which I still believe will launch fall this year and have Monster Hunter 3P/4 as a launch title)
It's about on par with the first part in terms of first week sales. If we assume that the FW/LTD ratio declines a bit or stays the same at best (as is standard for sequels of RPGs/SRPGs) then those will be similar sales in Japan, at a significantly lower launch price. VC1 sold more outside Japan than it did inside it, and 75% of those sales will likely be gone with the move to PSP (and that's being generous). All in all I'm not sure that it's quite so clear-cut.nodish2 said:
Pureauthor
Member
For VC2, Sega basically sacrificed Western sales for a shorter (and presumably cheaper) dev cycle. Whether or not this is worth it comes down to numbers we don't have, so... *shrug*
Durante said:
http://www.gpara.com/ranking/mediacreatebn/ranking_20080501.php
http://ameblo.jp/sinobi/archive1-200804.html
Both Media Create and Sinobi has it at 77k.
On the other hand, even if FF13 ends up outselling FF10 or even FF12, the problem may be that it takes so long between installments.
What good would be a reborn FF popularity if we won't see a new main entry for at least 4 years? I guess the same could be said for the DQ series, but DQ is growing.
I guess the spinoffs still sell somewhat well.
What good would be a reborn FF popularity if we won't see a new main entry for at least 4 years? I guess the same could be said for the DQ series, but DQ is growing.
I guess the spinoffs still sell somewhat well.
Pureauthor
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duckroll said:
The ending of the hypothetical FFX-0 could be awesome too!
I just want more playable Jecht, okay?
Ah, sorry, I assumed the garaph VC1 data was first week. Well, we'll see how it compares in LTD. If it follows the normal trend of RPG sequels it should be more front-loaded -- on the other hand handheld titles are usually less so compared to console ones. In any case the launch price difference is quite significant.
Regarding predictions of FF's death, I think it would make sense to wait for global sales data. If there's a decline there as well compared to 12 there may be something to it.
Regarding predictions of FF's death, I think it would make sense to wait for global sales data. If there's a decline there as well compared to 12 there may be something to it.
I think Square Enix should slow it down with the FF spinoffs (at least by half) and give us a mainline FF title every 1-2 years like they used to instead of 3-4. That would only help the quality of the average FF title and at least repair some lost image that people claim there is.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Damn, got told big time about Valkyria hitting 100k. Oh well, as long as its a lovely, early, delicious top50 with sell-through its okay.
More surprised than before at Nanoha 76,500 with 90% sell-through though. PSP looking strong going into its next two months lineup showdown.
KH:BBS is weird, 94% sell-through puts its shipment at what Dengeki had as sold the week before. Even taking out Dengeki of the equation, doesn't seem to match Media Create too well either.
More surprised than before at Nanoha 76,500 with 90% sell-through though. PSP looking strong going into its next two months lineup showdown.
KH:BBS is weird, 94% sell-through puts its shipment at what Dengeki had as sold the week before. Even taking out Dengeki of the equation, doesn't seem to match Media Create too well either.
charlequin
Banned
Jeels said:
I always used to say that what they should do was cut out the spinoffs in favor of creating a new "secondary" series on handhelds with a different visual style, new composer and character designer, but... they had a chance on that and they fucking blew it. :lol
JoshuaJSlone
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If they can do more different than XI, XII, and XIII seem to be from each other, FF XV will be an Ace Attorney clone.ksamedi said:
I agree with Sanshiro's definition of dying, yes. And with Charlequin's expanded definition: "If things continue as they are, then this franchise will die." Since it has been continuing on this path for over a decade, we have a stable and consistent pattern to follow.
Most franchises die, some just do it more slowly than others. I have a more interesting question: which franchises are not dying? That is, which have seen significant growth or stasbility in the last 5 years?
Please note that new franchises can't count, here. Monster Hunter, for example, is still in its growth phase. What I'm looking for is a franchise that has clearly reached an equilibrium, or a peak, or whatever you'd like to call it, and then maintained consistently strong sales for years or decades.
Dragon Quest is an example of this, while FF is not. Pokemon is quite stable. What other franchises maintain consistently strong sales?
Most franchises die, some just do it more slowly than others. I have a more interesting question: which franchises are not dying? That is, which have seen significant growth or stasbility in the last 5 years?
Please note that new franchises can't count, here. Monster Hunter, for example, is still in its growth phase. What I'm looking for is a franchise that has clearly reached an equilibrium, or a peak, or whatever you'd like to call it, and then maintained consistently strong sales for years or decades.
Dragon Quest is an example of this, while FF is not. Pokemon is quite stable. What other franchises maintain consistently strong sales?
Durante said:
- 6090Y Vs 7980Y
- VC2's full scale development phase started in spring '09 (Dengeki interview)
I'd say they are not regretting moving the sequel to PSP
mugurumakensei
Member
Opiate said:
The only examples I can think of that have new entries on consoles from this gen are Mario and Dragon Quest. Heck, Mario games actually increased in sales this gen (even the 3d titles got a boost). I can't really think of any that are stable even worldwide. GTA, for example, had a massive decline this gen.
Not too far off from what I expected. I see a bunch of people predicting a million+ first week sales, but only one DQ remake has ever done that (as far as I know), and it was packed with a DQ8 promo disc.Spiegel said:
That said, 500k is a bit low for a first shipment, regardless. I expected somewhere in the 650k range for actual first week sales. I guess we'll see how it goes.
Paracelsus
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Spiegel said:
Maybe by "first" they mean "for the first 24 hours"
ElFly said:
Hey don't worry about it, 2010 is the year for the next FF main entry, and it's the spiritual successor to the most profitable FF game, so SE don't have much to worry about FF's near future.
The main problem is about FFXV, and what direction will it take: more Kitase/Nomura, or some Itou/Yoshida to keep the freshness between entries and allow the previous team more time to create something new.
And about spin-offs, I don't see a problem with them, is not everybody's cup of tea, so they don't really saturate the market, it just gives an option for those wanting more FF between main releases, however, when put together with remakes and ports, the market does saturate and people will go to the shops and just find so many different FF games every now and then, that might change their opinion of the franchise as a whole.
Nirolak said:
Ahh. Well, IIRC the 2nd week is proportionally pretty equal to UC so I don't know if we can tell all that much. Obviously its not going to reach Umbrella Chronicles but I bet it gets past 200K.
So it seems the Xbox 360 "Mission Division" website went up, and it seems there's at least four more titles coming. Three "XXXXXXXXXXX" boxes show up on the page, but a fourth box shows up when the page first "zooms in", since the list jumps up the screen for some reason.
Also, according to the editor of Famitsu Xbox 360, apparently a publisher who hasn't made Xbox 360 games yet is going to "start making Xbox 360 titles this year and has a lot to publish".
It seems Microsoft is getting quite aggressive in Japan again.
Also, according to the editor of Famitsu Xbox 360, apparently a publisher who hasn't made Xbox 360 games yet is going to "start making Xbox 360 titles this year and has a lot to publish".
Siliconera said:
It seems Microsoft is getting quite aggressive in Japan again.
Opiate said:
If you ignore handhelds, then you're asking for either a) Nintendo games or b) a series that transitioned from PS1/early PS2 to Wii well. If you're saying MH3 is too recent, there are none of b), so the examples would be in Nintendo games looking at consoles only. Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros., Paper Mario, Mario Party (recently reversing a downward trend), 3-D Mario ("one point does not a trend make").
Go to handhelds or combination of handhelds and consoles, and you get Dragon Quest, Pokemon (recently reversing a downward trend), Kirby, and probably more.
Nirolak said:
Either NIS or Nintendo. It's a toss-up.