The PS4 had an almost disastrous first year, it was selling 7k weekly for an extended period in the Summer, that's why it had that narrative, since last year it's been doing much better than the PS3 actually.
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Media Create Sales: Week 1, 2016 (Jan 04 - Jan 10)
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The PS4 had an almost disastrous first year, it was selling 7k weekly for an extended period in the Summer, that's why it had that narrative, since last year it's been doing much better than the PS3 actually.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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The SMT and FE fanbases both had very huge contingents of people who disliked the game's concept, and the Idol Otaku crowd was already being provided to in spades with the Vita and PS4, so there was no reason to go out and grab a Wii U for this. The game targeted a demographic that doesn't really exist.
I think it's quite telling that Nintendo didn't expect much from FE#, given it's small shipment. At least it appears that it is on track to sell it's first shipment, and it won't linger in bargain bins. It's not an abysmal failure like Yakuza Wii U and Wonderful 101 by any stretch.
Pretty much. It has to be remembered that FE# is really the only game of the idol genre on the console. There's really no install base for those types of games on the console. Not to mention outside a few exceptions, such games rarely outsell Fire Emblem and SMT games.
Pretty much. It has to be remembered that FE# is really the only game of the idol genre on the console. There's really no install base for those types of games on the console. Not to mention outside a few exceptions, such games rarely outsell Fire Emblem and SMT games.
I thought Minecraft was selling well on the Japanese eShop?
manipulate
Member
It really does make you wonder how the concept/design outline was ever approved
slavesnyder
Member
Any predictions when PS4 will match/overtake WiiU?
1*: [3DS] Monster Strike <RPG> (Mixi) {2015.12.17} (¥4.860) - 437.903 / 738.231 <46,26%>
2*: [3DS] Monster Strike <RPG> (Mixi) {2015.12.17} (¥4.860) - 425.268 / 837.508 <40-60%>
2*: [3DS] Monster Strike <RPG> (Mixi) {2015.12.17} (¥4.860) - 425.268 / 837.508 <40-60%>
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| | MCreate | MCreate | Famitsu | Famitsu |
| | 1* | 1* | 2* | 2* |
|Wk|2015.12.17|2015.12.17|2015.12.17|2015.12.17|
| | to | to | to | to |
| |2016.01.10|2016.01.10|2016.01.10|2016.01.10|
+--+----------+----------+----------+----------+
| 1| 437.903| 437.903| 425.268| 425.268|
| 2| 169.961| 607.863| 211.441| 636.709|
| 3| 91.572| 699.436| 140.479| 777.188|
| 4| 38.795| 738.231| 60.320| 837.508|
+--+----------+----------+----------+----------+I don't think it's any more complex than Nintendo being desperate enough to greenlight just about anything this gen for the sake of getting something, anything released on the console. Going after the otaku crowd isn't a bad strategy in theory, since they've traditionally shunned Nintendo when it comes to their console offerings and this seemed to be up their alley, but one game wasn't going to bring them over.
Could be a worthwhile iteration to fill out the spring Lineup a bit - And a further sales evergreen in a land that hasn't gone fully digital yet.
slavesnyder
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Could be sooner depending on VR launch (and summer lesson as a launch title) and some japanese-centric heavy hitters I guess.
Do we know the release dates for Japan of Persona, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy XV or maybe the first part of FF remake?
Apart from Zelda, is there anything that could really widen the gap again?
Well, as I know you, this might already be included in your thinking.
Heh... Doubt that will do anything, especially considering the price it's most likely going to be.
Outside of that we should get FF XV release date soon-ish I think (they had a teaser announcing the day the release date would be announced...)
Persona 5 is still "Summer".
SF V isn't going to help hardware that much in Japan imo.
And I don't think the Wii U has anything left that would have a major effect on its hardware sales. Zelda certainly won't do much for it.
Surprise performance from Pokken, maybe? I don't even think Zelda will do much over in Japan, since sales for the console installments have been rather week in the past decade or so for the series.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Looks like COD will hit 300K and SW along with Fallout to hit 200K. That's not bad on the software front. Curious how some of the bigger Japanese games will sell next year. I'm interested to see if XV can hit 2 million this year.
slavesnyder
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No way. This is perfect for japan. Small homes and lots of singles.
And the price... we just don't know yet. You might be in for a surprise.
If FFXV launches in June/July as rumored, then I expect it to be around that time, if not then September/October.
XIII fell short of 2 million so I find that unlikely.
VR will do nothing. Game will help PS4 and all, but you forget the main point, NX.
You still think ps4 will do those huge numbers even without DQXI, Ring? Not trying to be snarky, its an actual question
Also, hang in there Taiko! We miss you Taiko! We love you taiko!
I would say sometime in Q3 2016, probably around September or October.
XIII barely hit that number, I think XV will sell around 1.5-1.7m but nowhere near 2m, the only PS4 games that can sell 2+ million are DQXI and FF7R.
1*: [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom 3 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2010.12.01} (¥5.800) - 2.146.467 / 4.502.846
2*: [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990) - 1.875.115 / 3.556.119 <94,10%>
3*: [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (¥6.264) - 1.617.949 / 2.569.489 <80-100%>
4*: [3DS] Monster Hunter X # <ACT> (Capcom) {2015.11.28} (¥6.264) - 1.542.104 / 2.660.666 <80-100%>
2*: [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990) - 1.875.115 / 3.556.119 <94,10%>
3*: [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (¥6.264) - 1.617.949 / 2.569.489 <80-100%>
4*: [3DS] Monster Hunter X # <ACT> (Capcom) {2015.11.28} (¥6.264) - 1.542.104 / 2.660.666 <80-100%>
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| | Famitsu | Famitsu | Famitsu | Famitsu |
| | 1* | 2* | 3* | 4* |
|Wk|2010.12.01|2013.09.14|2014.10.11|2015.11.28|
| | to | to | to | to |
| |2011.11.13|2014.08.24|2015.09.20|2016.11.06|
+--+----------+----------+----------+----------+
| 1| 2.146.467| 1.875.115| 1.617.949| 1.542.104|
| 2| 514.198| 432.286| 260.485| 374.682|
| 3| 434.837| 234.713| 148.020| 191.324|
| 4| 385.487| 164.593| 89.364| 159.806|
| 5| 317.471| 111.230| 50.841| 174.061|
| 6| 155.839| 97.336| 33.770| 149.587|
| 7| 80.703| 60.206| 27.347| 69.102|
| 8| 56.450| 47.393| 27.001| |
| 9| 39.453| 39.167| 20.564| |
|10| 32.655| 32.813| 25.181| |
|11| 104.900| 24.684| 34.184| |
|12| 26.865| 25.756| 46.471| |
|13| 20.594| 25.743| 44.349| |
|14| 16.912| 35.660| 21.498| |
|15| 13.891| 46.279| 14.603| |
|16| 11.924| 40.338| 11.345| |
|17| 13.536| 48.622| 9.044| |
|18| 12.946| 19.133| 8.081| |
|19| 9.589| 12.713| 7.204| |
|20| 6.246| 9.224| 5.902| |
|21| 5.929| 6.953| 5.175| |
|22| 7.442| 5.131| 5.758| |
|23| 7.381| 5.088| 5.888| |
|24| 3.884| 4.533| 4.538| |
|25| 3.766| 4.651| | |
|26| 4.360| 4.469| | |
|27| 4.170| 4.970| | |
|28| 3.856| 5.629| | |
|29| 3.796| 5.434| | |
|30| 3.711| 5.089| | |
|31| 3.492| 4.396| 2.686| |
|32| 3.330| 4.554| 1.689| |
|33| 3.292| 4.088| 1.977| |
|34| | 5.377| 1.695| |
|35| | 5.659| 1.819| |
|36| 4.662| 3.914| 1.778| |
|37| 5.209| 3.721| 1.827| |
|38| 6.534| 3.357| 1.569| |
|39| 6.524| 3.726| | |
|40| 5.273| 3.265| | |
|41| 3.357| 3.091| | |
|42| | 4.365| | |
|43| | 3.587| | |
|44| | 3.632| | |
|45| | 3.508| | |
|46| | 4.273| | |
|47| | 4.299| | |
|48| | 3.787| | |
|49| | 5.222| | |
|50| | 4.525| | |
+--+----------+----------+----------+----------+FF7r isn't projected for this year, Persona 5 is summer, I haven't heard the release date for FF15, but I'll assume it is a holiday title, not sure about SF5's date.
Pokken should help keep momentum, the big difference between Wii U last year and this year, was there wasn't a reason to buy a Wii U until the end of may last year, with this year you have Splatoon and Mario Maker still selling well, minecraft is finally on the system and is selling well. Until May, Wii U should be up YOY quite a bit, but Nintendo hasn't announced anything to continue momentum beyond May, a possible price drop with the launch of a new console is often their go to play in the last years of their consoles.
The current gap is ~700k... No way for happen by half 2016, even with FF XV.
Eh, wanna be optmist, this week both PS4 and Wii U ( 3DS and Vita as well ) sold better than i expected.
Pennywise83
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Someone posted a graph a few weeks ago with the trajectory of the two games over time. If I remember correctly, by adding around 500k digital units, the two games were about on par (maybe Wild World slighly above). Wild World closed at 5.3m.
Btw, reposting from the previous thread:
Your examples are completely meaningless because Attack on Titan on PS4/3/V is not the "second entry" but just a different take on the franchise from a different publisher and developer, with a different gameplay (I don't know about how the story is structured but I guess this might also be a different aspect with respect to the 3DS game). Your examples are, instead, for sequels on the same platform within IPs that didn't have the long-lasting appeal Attack on Titan has.
If Ken's Rage could sell 500k+ units on PS3, I don't see why Attack on Titan should sell less, given the popularity of the franchise right now, the fact that Musou-like games tend to sell well in the PS ecosystem, and the fact that Attack on Titan proved itself to be a popular IP in the video game sector. 300k would not be that good because it would an average of 100k units per platform - if we discount PS3 giving only 50k sales, that would mean on average 125k units across PS4 and PSV.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Damn.
Kresnik258
Member
Didn't even notice that, seems you're right.
I guess it's because a different SKU of Vita rather than a separate platform? Since it sold ~ 2 x what XB1 sold in 2015 but that's still being tracked, lol.
Still, Dengeki dropped it last year, so makes sense.
How much was the first shipment for Gundam Vs. Force? Wondering if it's going to end up anywhere close.
slavesnyder
Member
Maybe I am just too optimistic about VR. I think it will give a good push to consoles. It will not be crazy amounts but remarkable.
NX would be a reason to slow down sales of WiiU even more.
Right.
kubricks
Member
Despite the extremely poor reviews from Amazon and EXVS fanbase, it didn't bomb as hard as it was believed to be.
Hell, it could even be considered alright for a Vita game or typical Gundam games standard. ;-/
Now please add free battle mode (or Arcade mode) and more MS.
It's more expensive and has no multilayer so it might struggle.
Retailers have dropped the price has dropped at incredibly low levels, so I don't think anyone will care if they eventually clear the stock.
it's not close yet
Sure it did.
I don't think Star Fox and Pokken will manage to rise above 300k together. Pokken is missing the interaction with the handheld titles, the previous Pokemon fighters had and Star Fox seems to be niche nowadays at best.
Best case scenario seems a Captain Toad one for me, but I don't see either game carrying the Wii U through summer. I could see Minecraft doing that in combination with Splatoon and Mario Maker, but it would have to be released as a physical version first, maybe even bundled if such a thing was possible for a Microsoft published game on a Nintendo console in Japan.
Shingeki is huge IP in Japan, that's for sure, but i don't expect to see numbers like that for it. Not because of the IP strenght, but because Musou as series is on a downfall these days. You can't compare something like Aslan to Shingeki, but the fact that the game utterly bombed shows that the musou name is not carryinh the same power as it once was. With the excepcion of DQHeroes and Zelda musou (most because of its overseas success) the games have been selling at an underwhelming pace, so i don't expect that this one will be much different. I think its sales will be better than the last musou games sold, but the days of selling 500k are gone, even with a strong IP.
Pennywise83
Banned
It's still a DQ game - and in Japan SQEX aim at attracting DQ fanbase first, which is more than happy to pay a premium price for a spin-off.
Game is selling for 2600 yen on Amazon.
Attack on Titan isn't a Musou re-skin.
Well, i guess we will see with VR. I honestly expect nothing, but who know.
Wii U actually is not slow down btw. I don't know if you noted is up YOY by 140%, Mario Maker and Splatoon are still doing it's work. If there isn't NX this year, i expect Wii U to have a similar performance to last year, most likely well over 700k.
But i think NX is a 2016 thing, that's why i expect a really bad holidays for Wii U, and PS4 by Nov / Dec should beat it.
LordOcidax
Member
I cant wait to see a MarioMaker+Minecraft (with a Mario theme) Wii U bundle in Japan.
Last year, Wii U's performance was so bad up to the week prior to Splatoon, it had yet to sell 200k units, Wii U has already sold about 80k units this year, and it is only the 2nd week. It has 20 more weeks until it lines up with Splatoon last year, it should stay ahead of it's numbers for last year until at least mid summer.
Currently PS4 is down about 700k on MC and nearly 800k on Famitsu, So PS4 will need to sell at least a Million units by Summer to catch the Wii U, the PS4 sold ~1.25 million all of last year, so it might not overtake Wii U this year in Japan.
Currently PS4 is down about 700k on MC and nearly 800k on Famitsu, So PS4 will need to sell at least a Million units by Summer to catch the Wii U, the PS4 sold ~1.25 million all of last year, so it might not overtake Wii U this year in Japan.
Good point.
They didn't have MP in DQ Heroes as well though, might have something to do with DQ players preferring single player? I remember hearing on a podcast that SE ended up adding a whole bunch of single player focused content into DQX because a lot of players preferred it to MP.
Musou Crossovers have done well pretty consistently without being all that influence by the franchise's decline. I don't know why you think "If we ignore the most recent musou crossovers, musou games have done badly, so I expect this musou crossover to sell badly".
And it was even lower at some point.