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Media Create Sales: Week 19, 2013 (May 06 - May 12)

pieatorium

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I am guessing that Capcom's success in moving the MH series to the 3DS have shows that it is also possible for a franchise to find new ground if they wanted to, so they are testing if the Yakuza franchise can be shifted to Nintendo platform(s) too.
Capcom did it with the next game of their main series , not the hd ports of the old games.
 

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Capcom did it with the next game of their main series , not the hd ports of the old games.
You're referring to Monster Hunter 3G? That's one example. Capcom also preceded Revelations with a new Resident Evil game made with old assets (Mercenaries 3D).

They also preceded Monster Hunter and Sengoku Basara on the Wii with PS2 ports (the Monster Hunter being an ooold port).

But each of these seemed to be geared specifically at building their audience; we generally knew that there was a more important game coming.
So it's more likely that SEGA doesn't know either - that they're waiting to make the decision.
 

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Capcom did it with the next game of their main series , not the hd ports of the old games.
They started it by a PS2 MH port though, before they did it with the next game of the main series.

Of cause I am not suggesting that the next Yakuza will be an exclusive as well, just looking at the potential of expanding Yakuza beyond just a PS exclusive series.
 

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I don't see how an HD port really achieves that. It's going to bomb, and will provide no justification to bring 6 to the Wii U. It would make more sense to port the games over to the 360 and release them globally or something.
Hey, I didn't say it would work. But they've tried the global release strategy - multiple times. It doesn't work. The game is too Japanese-centric to appeal to anything more than a tiny niche in the west. They would have to really beef up the production standards (even higher dev costs) to really make a push in the west, and they would need to change the focus of the games to give it more appeal to the west (which would run the risk of diminishing the sales in Japan).

Anyway, it's a strategy they've tried, and they seem to have realized that the sales in the west are pretty much cancelled out by the localization and global publishing costs. I wouldn't be surprised to see more Yakuza games find their way westward, but that will just be Sega dipping their toe in the pond occasionally. It's not a strategy to increase the viability of the brand moving into a new generation.

So with the west out of play, what other options are there? As I said before, I can't imagine that Sega will want to keep the series going for another full generation on the PS4 if the sales for each title are ~500k. So they need to find another avenue for growth. They can try reaching out and building up a new fanbase amongst the Nintendo fans. Or they can try going handheld (3DS and/or Vita), but that doesn't seem to be the direction that Nagoshi wants to go.

It's all just speculation - but I mentioned back a number of months ago that I suspected that we'd be seeing Yakuza find it's way to the WiiU - for the very reasons that I just laid out. The series just doesn't sell enough as it is for Sega to justify another bump in costs without another source of additional revenue. Maybe they try the HD 1+2 thing and it bombs, and they reevaluate. Maybe it's the first step in a process to try to slowly build a fanbase so that an eventual PS4/WiiU multiplat strategy can exist. But they need to grow the audience for the game, and there aren't really any good options for doing so.
 

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Since it's May, another Nintendo Direct passed, nothing big came out (unless you consider Sonic big) and there is the major E3 Nintendo Direct coming.

Who still believe Nintendo has secret weapons waiting for this year? There is supposed to be an unpredictable strategy that will help them achieve the target they have set for the FY, since they aimed so high for Wii U (and 3DS).
I'm not saying I think there is/are secret weapon(s), but in August 2011 I wouldn't have believed there'd be a MH for 3DS by Christmas. I think most people thought the big strategy for the 3DS in Japan was just Mario and Mario Kart.
 

pieatorium

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I'm not saying I think there is/are secret weapon(s), but in August 2011 I wouldn't have believed there'd be a MH for 3DS by Christmas. I think most people thought the big strategy for the 3DS in Japan was just Mario and Mario Kart.
Their isn't a Monster hunter level reveal that could be ready for a december release (let face it the only other one is DQ XI and that 100% going to be on 3ds) and the Wii U is doing much poorer than the 3ds ever got close to.
 

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Famitsu Market Value, April 2013

01/04~28/04
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Other software:

[NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Nintendo) - 3,685,000
They had a 3.684m update the week before. Guess it's selling a few hundred or so per week still?


On the Wii U LTD sales topic, I don't think it'll be as low as GameCube, because I don't think PS4 will be as dominant as PS2. Maybe it'll be what GameCube would've been if PS2 wasn't as dominant and GameCube launched earlier, though. Too many unknowns in that to be much use, but I think it'd be almost impossible for Wii U to have less sales than GameCube, since I seem to recall GCN being ridiculously low in its later years, and I attribute a lot of that due to PS2 having almost all the sales focus.

Marketshare it's pretty much guaranteed that the Wii U/PS4 ratio will be better for Wii U than the GCN/PS2 ratio was for GCN, but I'd have a hard time seeing sales less than GCN, too, without a PS4 dominating like a PS2.

Just my feeling on the matter, though. Hard to say anything concrete about Wii U (except that it's doing really, really bad currently) going forward without knowing about the impact of its games and the reception of the PS4 in comparison, I'd think.
 

pieatorium

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Definitely alot depends on PS4 reception, when talking platform sales i generally think ww but I think you're right that it should at least match GC in Japan.

I've talked about this before in here but there aren't alot of known Japanese franchises that are big that could realistically hit this year, this affects the PS4's opening as much as it might any WiiU comeback.

I expect PS4 to open strong (hell the Vita had a good first week at least) but until we get a look at what Japanese support looks like it's hard to see it doing considerably better in its first year than any recent system. I could see it doing more towards the 3ds's poor start than either the WiiU or Vita's abysmal ones but again its all about the games and how often they come.
 

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These are GC FY hw shipments

2002 - 3.800.000
2003 - 5.760.000
2004 - 5.020.000
2005 - 3.920.000
2006 - 2.350.000
2007 - 730.000
2008 - 160.000
Total - 21.740.000

For Japan

2002 - 1.570.000
2003 - 900.000
2004 - 990.000
2005 - 340.000
2006 - 200.000
2007 - 20.000
2008 - 20.000
Total - 4.040.000
 

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Their isn't a Monster hunter level reveal that could be ready for a december release (let face it the only other one is DQ XI and that 100% going to be on 3ds) and the Wii U is doing much poorer than the 3ds ever got close to.
Why does it have to be one Monster Hunter level reveal? Couldn't they have even 1-2 smaller-than -MH-titles?

We weren't expecting any big reveals in this ND & Nintendo suggested we wouldn't by highllighting it as a Summer-titles only Direct from the start. While we arguably didn't get any real big games for Japan we did get 3 new retail titles, which is better than nothing. For Chris to be like 'Oh, another ND and no 'secret weapon'' sounds more like antagonism than actual argument, given that though.
 

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Because that is what you used as your example and it would require that level of game as well as mario + mario kart and a huge price cut to turn around in any meaningful way.
It was what happened on 3DS, it wasn't an example of what level of title I expected for the Wii U. It was an example of something unexpected that was announced fairly close to release.

The Wii U doesn't need a price cut in Japan, in my opinion. You can buy thee Basic model for more or less the same a launch Wii and there's less incentive to buy the Premium with no pack-in and the DQX beta being done.
 

pieatorium

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It was what happened on 3DS, it was an example of what I expected for the Wii U. It was an example of something unexpected that was announced fairly close to release.
in response to secret weapon. There might be secret announcements, none of them will be weapons.
 

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It was what happened on 3DS, it was an example of what I expected for the Wii U. It was an example of something unexpected that was announced fairly close to release.

The Wii U doesn't need a price cut in Japan, in my opinion. You can buy thee Basic model for more or less the same a launch Wii and there's less incentive to buy the Premium with no pack-in and the DQX beta being done.
MH is the biggest portable third party series and the 3DS got it.

FF is the biggest third party console franchise iirc and well the WiiU is very unlikely to get it let alone as exclusive.

I think that would be the equivalent of the MH 3DS announcement.
 

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in response to secret weapon. There might be secret announcements, none of them will be weapons.
Well, I think Chris' use of the term 'secret weapon' is more than a little patronizing.

MH is the biggest portable third party series and the 3DS got it.

FF is the biggest third party console franchise iirc and well the WiiU is very unlikely to get it let alone as exclusive.

I think that would be the equivalent of the MH 3DS announcement.
Are you responding to me? Your statements don't match what I said. I'm not arguing that there is, or will be, an MH-level game announced.

My point is that saying there are no titles because non have been announced is silly, because unless you have insider info (which Chris has never claimed, iirc), there's no way of knowing which titles are in development, as was the case in August 2011 when no one really expected a MH on 3DS by Christmas.

While there may not be (and probably isn't) one MH-level 'secret weapon' (a term I find patronizing in context) release, there's always the possibility there are a few smaller titles.
 

donny2112

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These are GC FY hw shipments

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For Japan

2002 - 1.570.000
2003 - 900.000
2004 - 990.000
2005 - 340.000
2006 - 200.000
2007 - 20.000
2008 - 20.000
Total - 4.040.000
Thanks! Yeah, from April 2004 - March 2005 (i.e. ending 1.5 years before Wii was released), GCN shipped 340,000. Just ridiculously low numbers, and it even went down from there. GameCube is not a high bar to set for Wii U in Japan, but it should at least clear that, I'd think. Hooray? :lol
 

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Yes. Because Square ignored the N64 they weren't allowed to bring the Famicom FF handheld ports to GBA. Instead they went to Wonderswan, which bombed horribly. Only after Crystal Chronicles for GC the GBA ports of the old FC and SFC FF games became again possible.

That was during Yamauchi's time and Iwata is more relaxed in his policy but obviously, if you want to bring your games to 3DS/Wii U, Nintendo might ask for support beyond the titles you want to bring anyway.

Yakuza 1&2 seems like a good compromise. Wii U holiday sales will be driven by first party titles. Third parties will again try to sell their games to consumers interested in buying games beyond what Nintendo has to offer. What they had for last year bombed horribly. Yakuza 1&2 is lower risk and has bargain appeal. Maybe it'll do better? It doesn't even have to do much better to be a success.
 

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Sega's relatively weak 3DS support makes me suspect they're not throwing out Wii U ports for access there really. Contract obligation seems like an odd angle too really, if they just needed to get stuff out the door there are other ports that'd make much more sense on a Nintendo system (Sonic Generations, Virtua Tennis 4, Project Mirai, PSO2, etc).
 
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I imagine Sega 3DS support will pick up in 2014. In the first year of the 3DS, they admitted to holding titles back until the system picks up in sales. It's probable more than a few games they were planning got cancelled there, since it was parallel to their rocky restructuring.

Now that the 3DS is doing better, more titles from them should be coming.
 

Mpl90

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I imagine Sega 3DS support will pick up in 2014. In the first year of the 3DS, they admitted to holding titles back until the system picks up in sales. It's probable more than a few games they were planning got cancelled there, since it was parallel to their rocky restructuring.

Now that the 3DS is doing better, more titles from them should be coming.
What if the support picks up this year already? First of all, we already know that Project Mirai 2 is coming this Fall, and that's a good SEGA title for Japan. Then, there are all these 3D Classics from last December. Third, the fiscal year forecast:

They forecasted to release 6 SKUs on 3DS from 1st April 2013 to 31st March 2013. What we know so far

Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai 2 x1
Sonic Lost World x2 (published by Nintendo in Europe)

And nothing else. If Mario & Sonic will be confirmed too, it'd be just one more SKU, since the game will be published by Nintendo in both Japan and Europe. So, we know there are at least other two SKUs incoming in the next months for 3DS by SEGA. Who knows what will they be, though...
 

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There's obviously a Mario And Sonic game coming for the 3DS, no question about it :p I wonder what else they have in store for it.

Who knows, Yakuza Black Panther enhanced port could be one of those :p
 

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you're right, because it's obvious this thread has turned into a herd of sheep following the ultra biased media and is nowhere near the caliber it was in the past. but let me ask u this one thing Chris. why do you think it's completely over for Nintendo based off of 6 months of not knowing anything? can you explain that to me? because as i've asked b4 but yet you so eloquently didn't answer my question, wasn't this same mindset there for the 3ds? didn't people automatically count it out before change came?

it's not the fact that of what's coming out, it's the fact that you guys automatically go into super negative mode as soon as it's something that you don't think it should be (in this case Yakuza for the Wii U) it's like nothing satisfies you even though YOU don't live in Japan. that's why i say you're hating. don't get mad at me because i'm exposing your true feelings toward the situation. if i was a coward and shrunk back when the going gets tough like most of you, you wouldn't have a problem with me would you? but that's just not me.
Hahahhahaha, apparently the ghost of Laguna never left, you've just been infecting people with your own. Yeah these threads were so amazing back when Nintendo dominated,
 

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Mario & Sonic 4 was said to be Wii U exclusive already, it was clairified there'd be no 3DS version. If the 3rd Sonic title is a Nintendo racing crossover, it won't be this fiscal year either. Honestly, both those should be ruled out.

My guess for 3DS this year is probably another Puyo Puyo. I'd personally really like to see some late term PSP ports with an eye on global release though (Valkyria 3EX, Black Leopard 1-2, Shining Blade/Ark, PSP2i, etc) and helping establish a viable audience for them at home going forward post-PSP.
 

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Mario & Sonic 4 was said to be Wii U exclusive already, it was clairified there'd be no 3DS version. If the 3rd Sonic title is a Nintendo racing crossover, it won't be this fiscal year either. Honestly, both those should be ruled out.

My guess for 3DS this year is probably another Puyo Puyo. I'd personally really like to see some late term PSP ports with an eye on global release though (Valkyria 3EX, Black Leopard 1-2, Shining Blade/Ark, PSP2i, etc) and helping establish a viable audience for them at home going forward post-PSP.
Where? If that's the case, we still have three SKUs for this FY to unveil for 3DS. And, yeah, the 3rd Sonic title probably won't be out during this FY, so...what are they going to be? Puyo Puyo is a good candidate (x1)...Yakuza? Valkyria Chronicles? An expanded port of the last 7th Dragon?

EDIT: Ah, right. Phantasy Star Portable 3/Victory/Whatever?
 

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Do we know for sure the details of the Nintendo/Sonic publishing and distribution deal?

Trying to get an accurate count of the number of Wii U titles Sega is handling (in terms of the 7 Wii U titles listed in their fiscal report).
 

Mpl90

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Do we know for sure the details of the Nintendo/Sonic publishing and distribution deal?

Trying to get an accurate count of the number of Wii U titles Sega is handling (in terms of the 7 Wii U titles listed in their fiscal report).
Three titles, and up to know we know Nintendo of Europe will publish them.
 

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Three titles, and up to know we know Nintendo of Europe will publish them.
4 right? Aren't they publishing The Cave? It was in the Sega segment in the NCL direct.

Sonic Lost Worlds
Mario and Sonic
Yakuza 1+2
The Cave

And that other Sonic game could possibly be this FY.
 

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With the recent success of Fire Emblem, Nintendo should fund a Valkyria Chronicles Wii U game.
Nah, they should just make a Fire Emblem for the Wii U. Or better yet Fire Emblem x Valkyria Chronicles (to help out SEGA). But they are already doing a SMT x Fire Emblem.
 

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Where? If that's the case, we still have three SKUs for this FY to unveil for 3DS. And, yeah, the 3rd Sonic title probably won't be out during this FY, so...what are they going to be? Puyo Puyo is a good candidate (x1)...Yakuza? Valkyria Chronicles? An expanded port of the last 7th Dragon?

EDIT: Ah, right. Phantasy Star Portable 3/Victory/Whatever?
It was actually said during the Direct.

Personally I'd rather see 7th Dragon II than 7th Dragon 2020. ;)


Do we know for sure the details of the Nintendo/Sonic publishing and distribution deal?

Trying to get an accurate count of the number of Wii U titles Sega is handling (in terms of the 7 Wii U titles listed in their fiscal report).
It's hazy, but so far as we know:

Sega published:
Sonic Lost World JP
Sonic Lost World NA
Mario & Sonic 4 NA

Nintendo published:
Sonic Lost World EU
Mario & Sonic 4 EU
Mario & Sonic 4 JP


Adding in Yakuza 1 & 2 HD JP leaves 3 unknown Sega SKUs for the FY.
 

schuelma

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It was actually said during the Direct.

Personally I'd rather see 7th Dragon II than 7th Dragon 2020. ;)



It's hazy, but so far as we know:

Sega published:
Sonic Lost World JP
Sonic Lost World NA
Mario & Sonic 4 NA

Nintendo published:
Sonic Lost World EU
Mario & Sonic 4 EU
Mario & Sonic 4 JP


Adding in Yakuza 1 & 2 HD JP leaves 3 unknown Sega SKUs for the FY.
Thanks.
 

metalslimer

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IIRC, they don't count digital titles.
I know they don't count VC releases and such, but I was pretty sure they counted digital titles.

Nah, they should just make a Fire Emblem for the Wii U. Or better yet Fire Emblem x Valkyria Chronicles (to help out SEGA). But they are already doing a SMT x Fire Emblem.
Putting their franchises all over everything is not the way to go. They need a constant stream of unique titles to appeal to a variety of people to have a chance with Wii U.
 

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I know they don't count VC releases and such, but I was pretty sure they counted digital titles.
If they counted digital titles, 3DS in FY2013 would have been this

Rhythm Thief x1 (US)
Sonic & All-Star Racing Transformed x2 (US and Europe)
3D Space Harrier (JP)
3D Super Hang On (JP)

5 SKUs.

But, in the end, they counted just three SKUs.
 

lunchwithyuzo

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I know they don't count VC releases and such, but I was pretty sure they counted digital titles.
They don't. It's also SKU counts, not game counts. 7 SKUs (by major region), not 7 games.

There's 3 SKUs unaccounted for, so they could be something like Puyo Puyo (JP) and Alien (NA, EU) and have it covered.
 

metalslimer

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They don't. It's also SKU counts, not game counts. 7 SKUs (by major region), not 7 games.

There's 3 SKUs unaccounted for, so they could be something like Puyo Puyo (JP) and Alien (NA, EU) and have it covered.
Ah, I thought this was the case but then forgot that they didn't publish Mario and Sonic in certain regions. Wonder if Aliens will ever come out for Wii U
 

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What happens if Revelations sell more on 360 than on Wii U?
It won't. Almost every port, even year late ports of western games, has sold more on Wii U than Xbox 360 in Japan.

I'm expecting the Revelations ratio to be something like U = 2x 360 and PS3 = 10x U.
 

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Mario & Sonic 4 was said to be Wii U exclusive already, it was clairified there'd be no 3DS version. If the 3rd Sonic title is a Nintendo racing crossover, it won't be this fiscal year either. Honestly, both those should be ruled out.

My guess for 3DS this year is probably another Puyo Puyo. I'd personally really like to see some late term PSP ports with an eye on global release though (Valkyria 3EX, Black Leopard 1-2, Shining Blade/Ark, PSP2i, etc) and helping establish a viable audience for them at home going forward post-PSP.
If this baseless speculation did come true, I believe people were speculating it'd be the Wii U's Mario Kart which is said to be coming this year.
 

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There's zero chance of that being the case.
Why? I could easily see it being the case. Nintendo had a hard time getting Mario Kart 7 out on time so they team up with Sega to get Mario Kart out for Wii U without having to dig into their own resources and having Sonic in the game doesn't dampen the appeal. The only caveat is that there is no way Nintendo would allow Sega to publish this.