Square2015
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My, how Tekken has faded.
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ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Given Mario Kart 8 Deluxe performance thus far or something like Mario Maker 3DS? I'd say Pokken DX has the potential to do better than the Wii U version. I don't think it'll be crazy like those 2, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit 200K.
Sadly yeh. I guess if anything the Japanese market is showing traditional 2D fighters just aren't all that popular anymore. The fighters that do better do something different. We'll see how ARMs does, but it's definitely something very different in terms of the fighting genre.
Mixing trackers in terms of physical sales sure - digital estimates isn't anything I'm too fussed about. I could say all physically released Switch games have 10% digital attach rate and I'd probably end up on average as right as Famitsu Digital Estimates.
Quite likely isn't gospel and I very much doubt other trackers include any sort of digital estimates in their sales numbers because they would have disclosed such a thing.
200k+ if u asked me. As this time, there is no more Wii U trolling the series potential.
And that handheld pull is going to be strong.
Lostconfused
Member
I don't see how you can talk out of both sides of your mouth like that when saying Pokken is fine and Tekken stumbled.
Calm Mind
Member
What part of demand is there but supply is not don't you comprehend?
Must be your anti-Nintendo bias working overtime. It blinds you to context.
thestopsign
Member
There is a long history behind this and it lead to the formation of VG Chartz (which is banned on GAF) and ioi getting banned.
Whats hard to understand that Tekken is considered stumbled as it shows that they are declining for each release and shows no sign of stopping.
While Pokken is considered successful as even with Wii U limiting its potential sales, it still did a respectful number for a new fighting game IP even when it had Pokemon IP attached.
And i don't understand how u call fighting game genre is dying when we already see that Pokken, Xenoverse and Smash all did really well. Now, if ARMS come out and also did great, will you also call the genre is dead?
While Pokken is considered successful as even with Wii U limiting its potential sales, it still did a respectful number for a new fighting game IP even when it had Pokemon IP attached.
And i don't understand how u call fighting game genre is dying when we already see that Pokken, Xenoverse and Smash all did really well. Now, if ARMS come out and also did great, will you also call the genre is dead?
Tekken is a 3D fighter. You mean traditional fighters in general?
Just Capcom being smart with that 3DS->Switch progress transfer.
Lostconfused
Member
Your posts aren't helping anything either.
It will be dead because Nintendo doesn't count and has no value.
Afaik Pokken WiiU was close to a million seller worldwide.
Edit : by 2016 Pokken had outsold SFV in the US.
As a newbie, I'd be curious to know what the deal is with that.
Also the fact that Switch is soo hard to get right now....so beggars can't be choosers and they end up with poor mans 3DS version lol.^^
There is probably also a long history behind not implying MC somehow estimates digital numbers as part of their official sale numbers.
There is a reason FDE is separated from the normal numbers reported - because those are estimates, VG Chartz also uses estimates. Neither numbers are correct and only Nintendo really knows the numbers on their digital storefront and they don't seem to be disclosing these numbers to anyone.
Lol. U jess there.^^ But i remember Pokken already hit 1 million WW if i am not mistaken here.
I mean, do I really have to break this down for you?
Pokken released on Wii U, in 2016 when Nintendo had basically given up on the system and it missed out on nearly all the arcade updates. Despite that it still sold better than most of the 90s lumunaries you mentioned post-90s including SFIV, SSFIV, SFV, VF4 Evo, VF5, TTT2 and every KOF after 97. The game did okay, around 70k first week and an impressive 170k overall. And it would've done better if not limited by it's platform and lack of dlc.
Tekken 7 stumbled because it's a drop from the last couple series installments. Nearly half what T6 did and a little behind TTT2 as well.
This isn't "talking out both sides of my mouth". It's doing a deeper examination than simply throwing up my hands, proclaiming the genre dead, discounting any games that show otherwise and asking to have the obvious explained to me. Is that better?
Skullwaker
Member
30k for SDC is definitely more than I was expecting! It should be able to sell through its 50-75k shipment in the coming weeks easily, especially if Switch stock is increased for Arms. I bet USF2 could pull much better numbers than it is now if it was about half the price.
Switch at 23k is sad to see. Mostly because I know it could do much better if it weren't for the low stock. At least Mario Kart and Zelda are holding a very nice attach rate (the former should hit 500k next week, a first for a Switch game!).
Switch at 23k is sad to see. Mostly because I know it could do much better if it weren't for the low stock. At least Mario Kart and Zelda are holding a very nice attach rate (the former should hit 500k next week, a first for a Switch game!).
Do you not know how big Tekken used to be?
Toni
Member
What part of demand not equaling 4 million sold in a year and unrealistically outselling the total of PS4's units sold in Japan in a year did you conviniently skipped tho?
Man what's with that crazy drop from 3 to 4?? Tekken 3 is great so shouldn't 4 have benefitted. What were the #s for TTT on ps2?
PS1 era was something else damn.
you just compare the sales of the first 3 months of the ps4 against the sales of the first 3 months of the switch and you will get why there are people believing it will do 4 mil a year if they produce enough consolesWhat part of demand not equaling 4 million sold in a year and outselling the total of PS4's units sold in Japan in a year did you conviniently skipped tho?
SporeCrawler
Member
i think the potential is quite higher than what it did on wiiu mainly for being a pokemon spinoff on a consoleGood numbers for Seiken Densetsu collection, but not a big surprise, in my opinion. The Mario, Kirby and Dragon Quest collections all did very well. Seiken Densetsu isnt on the same level regarding popularity in comparison, but its not exactly an unknown serie either
Whats the point with the dissing?
The defintion of being a dead genre is kinda loose. I mean, Tekken 7 did nearly 60k. Isolated, that is still a fair share of copies. These games used to sell much more however, Tekken was once a million seller. Its also likely that games like Pokken would have sold much more many years ago.
What do people expect from Pokken Switch by the way? Do people think that the WiiU held back the sales potential a lot?
ArchedThunder
Banned
Poor Tekken =( I'm really enjoying Tekken 7.
Man, I hope Nintendo is at least able to get a nice boost to the Switch stock with ARMS, this leveling out at around 25k a week sucks, but I know it's not really their fault.
Man, I hope Nintendo is at least able to get a nice boost to the Switch stock with ARMS, this leveling out at around 25k a week sucks, but I know it's not really their fault.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Specifically for the Chartz part, it's because they pull numbers out of their butt and call them truthfact sales data (explained more eloquently and in far greater detail here http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18919)
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
I doubt he's bothered by something that's not gonna happen
Khrysler Jerikho
Member
Wasn't Tekken 7 released on a Friday over there?
if he's not bothered by it, why did he keep bringing that up?
Skullwaker
Member
Why are you so confident?
Toni
Member
I get that portion of the argument, I really do.
But people tend to get little hostile when somebody poses an intervention towards a certain preferred way of thinking that people are cool with.
I have a 3DS, Im getting a Switch soon. While I usually support PS and PC mostly, Nintendo is always been in my circle since the Super Nintendo. Id love for Nintendo to have a homerun in a market thats predominant with the PlayStation brand, but we are dealing with very stricts detriments that the Japan console market poses.
Im down for Switch reaching 2 to 2 and half to 3 million (by holidays if we're lucky with Stock and a fierce Nintendo during the holiday period). But folks have been stating some serious feats for Switch lately that has me shook. Such as it doing 400k in USA every month and now doing the impossible, possible in Japan on a market has been single-handely shut down by Apple.
I get that is also portable and Switching back and forth between 2 markets, but as long Nintendo still has the 3DS out, giving it major games such as Pokemon and Monster Hunter, unveiling new hardware iterations for it (New Nintendo 3DS XL, New 2DS) and has Switch competing with it for portability, it wont be eating away from the handheld market as much as people would like it to be.
That plus recent stock issues and competition in the smartphone and console market (PS4 is set to have a crazy holidays this year) in Japan.
It will be bigger than the Wii U. A 100%.
But stating that it will be performing on par with the anomaly that was the Wii or even better, its in my opinion, slightly premature based in 2 successful months so far. And utilizing that metric for future performance is just super inconsistent.
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
Oh I just saw his one post lmfao
Because I'm just basing it off the low sales/shipments?
Prototype Viktor
Member
It's a 2 year old game to them
Toni
Member
I couldnt reply to all those earlier posts arguing about this instensely on mobile, Im at work. Im constantly having to edit and re-edit stuff up. Its a nightmare.
But I felt like I needed to clarify where I stand given the number of posts.
Thats all folks. :]
The market wasn't shut down by Apple.
The 3DS is the third most successful platform ever in Japan, or second if you split GB/GBC. It's more successful than any Playstation platform.
The PS4's performance doesn't reflect the full potential of the Japanese market because the PS4 doesn't have the support of Japan's biggest publisher. Nintendo already has announced more million sellers for Switch than PS4 will ever have.
EDIT: We only have to look at the Splatoon 2 Hype to know that Switch momentum won't slow down in Japan for at least a while.
The 3DS is the third most successful platform ever in Japan, or second if you split GB/GBC. It's more successful than any Playstation platform.
The PS4's performance doesn't reflect the full potential of the Japanese market because the PS4 doesn't have the support of Japan's biggest publisher. Nintendo already has announced more million sellers for Switch than PS4 will ever have.
EDIT: We only have to look at the Splatoon 2 Hype to know that Switch momentum won't slow down in Japan for at least a while.
Skullwaker
Member
And you don't think that will change in the rest of the year? It's already sold almost a million and in the holidays Nintendo would sell a majority of that 4m.
Lostconfused
Member
Well you wrote more words so I'll give you credit for that. However I feel like you should take that extra time you took to be dismissive to me and actually further your own in depth examination. You've got the Street Fighter sales numbers wrong since if you just look at the top 100 sales for the year the xbox 360 copies would not show up there.
I also don't disagree that there is an obvious decline in the sales of Tekken, however it is entirely in line with how many copies other fighting games sell. It just shows that it's not immune to the overall declining sales of fighting games like any other.
Edit: Fighting games are pretty much dead still.
Yeah, I remember when Tekken 3 came out to home consoles, everyone that had a PlayStation either had that game at launch, or ended up with it eventually. It was as popular then as smash would be today.
Oh right, I should've specified leading versions. If you add 360 or 3DS ports then SFIV and SSSFIV sold more. Although that'll flip with Pokken Switch.
And we've moved from dead to declining! Congrats on your New Narrative!
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
I'm fine with the part saying "it may be premature". I can see that point of view.
At the same time I feel like you're getting a couple of facts wrong. Japan is Nintendo's domain, not really Sony's. Nintendo's 1st party software sells close to 18-20% of the entire dedicated JP market each year (which doesn't even include Pokemon) and the 3DS alone outsold all the other consoles this gen combined easily (Wii U, Vita, & PS4). 3DS is also now the 3rd best selling console of all time in Japan, only behind the DS, the GB+GBC (both combined) at 23M.
I'm not sure why you're thinking the PS4 is going to have great holiday sales in Japan. The PS4 ironically has very little software announced for it this year by Japanese companies. DQ11 is awesome in July, but that's really it (hopefully E3 can change that). Last year it had a ton of things going for (Slim + Pro + VR + FFXV + Yakuza 6, etc.) and thus most folks here believe that will be its peak. Actually holidays typically help Nintendo consoles more, as it even lifted the Wii U to heights of over 100K sales in xmas week, something the PS4 hasn't actually quite done yet in xmas iirc.
PdotMichael
Banned
If it contains Shining Force 3 (with every scenarios) I'd double dip instantly.
Lostconfused
Member
Oh I am sorry, I can edit back to dead if it makes you feel better. Also it's hardly a difference of leading versions when it's released over a year later? It's definitely not a simultaneous launch either way.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Much better than Tokyo Xanadu eX+'s severe drop in its second week, followed by Media Creates not even listing sales numbers for it. I bet Ys VIII PS4's already sold most of its stock, meaning Falcom's calculated this well. And including a promo artbook for Sen no Kiseki III plays into their hype cycle perfectly, getting more of their Kiseki buyers onto PS4 in turn.
Plus the English fan translations, of course. There's no good reason why SEGA can't be nice and license those scripts, but of course Japan would have to make this call, which is why we're never getting a modern re-release of SFIII anyway.