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You guess, I wasn't referring to the old rumor but newer hints.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
This stuff came out early last year. So a lot of that can be attributed to things changing. The overall points and specifications are surpringly on point though.
Even mentions no local multiplayer which as now still is not in the game.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I don't get what is funny. Western titles are missing from the list. All you need to do is mention the titles that drastically reshape the list. What are they?
This is not a difficult question and you aren't a victim of the thread. You're actually just dodging at this point and it's dumb.
I'll look up the titles myself and post it after work since you're just gonna sit here and waste our time.
I mean, if this is the kind of scenario where someone is passing me a grimey note in a bathroom stall that just has 'Monster Hunter XX' scribbled on it with no context or whatever, I can understand, but seeing as this rumour includes a lot of superfluous details about intra-corporate strife I find this kind of mistake hard to believe. If you only ever see it written down you might be forgiven for thinking it is 'Cross-Cross' rather than Double Cross, but if you're at the point where you hear about internal politics at Capcom, I imagine you heard the title of the game spoken at least once.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Sounds like an English speaker from the Sony side of the deal. That or capcom us if we were to work under the assumption that if's real (which obviously it may still not be).
encephalon
Member
Honestly, dropping into this thread and reading the past few pages, it sounds like you guys are demanding Fdkn support an argument he isn't making. Regardless of whatever agenda he may or may not have.
D.Lo
Member
On this page (last now) primarily because an ignorant poster claimed it got nothing right, which is patently false, and has continued doubling down on more false claims about it.
So it originally wasn't so much a discussion so much on the validity of the rumour itself, but what it said at all.
LordRaptor
Member
The source of the rumour says its from someone he plays WOW with, so its entirely possible it was via textchat rather than vent
Gotdatmoney
Member
Why are Japan games the gold standard for third party support in Japan?
Because Japanese titles are the major drivers of growth in the market.
Where are we forcing an argument that isn't being made? Saying there are good selling western titles isn't news. We talk about minecraft and GTA and CoD all the time.
Sounds like nitpicking. Cross Cross could be XX, this isn't exactly an unrealistic leap here despite your romantic scenario. And it certainly sticks out when leaked at a time everyone was chanting XG.
Before MHW was announced : the rumor is true because it means MH on my console.
After MHW was announced : the rumor is actually false because it would mean new MH games on that other console.
And vice-versa.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The xx itself matters little it's everything afterwards when combined with that paints a picture that maybe this guy's source actually did know something.
Agreed. His transparent driveby wasn't worth the response and I regret engaging.
Completely true but being fair it can also work the other way.
Not to speak for Fdkn, but what I imagine the point regarding 3rd-party games was this:
In previous posts about 3rd-party support, there were a lot of qualifiers of 'Japanese-developed 3rd-party titles', and this seemed undue, considering the market in Japan is at a point where it will buy games like GTAV in greater numbers than say, Yakuza 6 (the nearest domestic equivalent in terms of genre, theming, and budget).
So, in talking about support for the Switch, even in Japan, it seems restrictive to focus so heavily on Japanese titles only, to the point that you would start listing Spelunker and Fate Extella as 'notable' but ignore releases like Call of Duty, or Battlefield, or AssCreed, or Destiny, or whatever.
You're absolutely right. I personally was arguing, before E3, that this rumor was nonsense, but even I have to accept that the dude was spot-on. There's too much infos for this to be a coincidence.
Thanks, that's about it.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Basically.
It was a bat shit crazy rumour either way. That it got so much right is what is absurd. If the rumour is even remotely true on the corporate side, that sure, is something...
Blame your ignorance of what I'm talking about every time you refer to me.
clay_ghost
Member
Its basically Capcom being Capcom which leads to its credibility lol
I just said that's what started the conversation, and there is two posts quoted, but it's not like anyone is going to be surprised by your rudeness at this point. Preach.
I'm not going to deny you your pleasure of having the last word, don't worry.
Speak for yourself and let the others.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Revelaitions is still my favourite capcom moment. How the fuck do you misspell the games god damn title on a mass produced product. Did not a single English speaker in the entire company not notice this?
TheLegendaryN
Member
Or Capcpom...
D.Lo
Member
Ign Okami.
Gotdatmoney
Member
He is totally capable of making this point himself. The reason why he isn't is because no one is implying Fate Excella is more notable than CoD. They are saying that success in the Japanese market is dictated largely by Japanese publisher presence so support from those publishers is of higher importance.
No one has ever implied Western titles sales don't matter to the overall market. They just don't dictate it hence why they are generaally ignored. That's not conversial. Everyone will acknowledge the growth of Western games. Western titles of significant importance like GTA, Minecraft or Cod are always acknowledged for reference.
This also works in reverse. Japanese publisher support is greatly influenced by platform success in the Japanese marketplace. So outlining that support is relevant in a way outlining western support wouldn't be, as virtually nothing about the Japanese market dictates western support beyond localization in the region.
If you check historical data you will see that western sales become less important even on PS4 that is the only system that benefits from them. From the moment Japanese companies increased output they took over the big share. If you count the entire market western sales represent a very small percentage. In fact the only real system seller can be considered Minecraft on Vita, a system with zero western support.
Life I said before until the end of the year PS4 software output is weak for Japanese publishers and strong for western, comparing to 2016. It will become obvious how much they can carry the system.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Every generation is long what else is new under the sun. As with everything it'll get better once the staus quo has been established.
I think that even nowadays looking at how the market approaches 3ds and PS4 in Japan, despite the growth of western sales and the decline of some Japanese series, a console (in japan) should be judge by its Japanese support more than its western one
You could argue that fate is non relevant compared to COD, and I agree but...
clay_ghost
Member
We need the DS pie chart again.
And where have I said anything against this? It's like you (not -you- personally) take my simple point and stretch it to the point it has nothing to do with what I said.
Last year's fall direct was at September 1. This year's won't be very far from that date and certainly before TGS. Maybe you'll see bigger focus on third parties this time since I don't expect Nintendo to announce the same amount of first party titles.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Do people think Nintendo will port Smash 4 or just make a new Smash 5?
If you're developing the game, you want to add the Rabbids, Squid Kid, Twintelle, and a few other characters, maybe balance a few things or make some more additions, and then... you're already close to a Smash 5.
If you're developing the game, you want to add the Rabbids, Squid Kid, Twintelle, and a few other characters, maybe balance a few things or make some more additions, and then... you're already close to a Smash 5.
I still think Smash 4 Deluxe happens but after they announce 5.
I think Mario Maker Deluxe is dead and replaced by Mario Maker 2.
The only other Wii U ports I can see in the near future are Xenoblade Chronicles X and maybe Tokyo Mirage Sessions just to bring some more rpgs to the system.
I think Mario Maker Deluxe is dead and replaced by Mario Maker 2.
The only other Wii U ports I can see in the near future are Xenoblade Chronicles X and maybe Tokyo Mirage Sessions just to bring some more rpgs to the system.
ShockingAlberto
Member
The Vita version of 8 makes a strong argument that they don't care how poorly a ported version runs if it occasionally looks fine.
There's a mission in DW8 that involves ships on fire and it runs at 10-15 FPS the entire time on the Vita. Torches on screen can slow that version down to a crawl.
This generation is gonna be exceptionally long because of PS4 Pro, XBOX X, and Switch.
Back in the NX days there were multiple credible rumors about a whole list of ports and the only one that came true besides Breath of the Wild was MK8D . Splatoon 2 is clearly a sequel though that originally was thought to be more of a deluxe edition. Pokémon Sun and Moon were another, fueled by the lack of streetpass, less useful second screen features and other 3DS nonsense not being in those games. Smash 4 was the other no brainer quick remaster bandied around, as was Super Mario Maker.
I don't know about 'by Nintendo', but so far, including announced games, there's technically 4 I can think of:
Zelda: Breath of the Wild (originally developed for WiiU, simultaneous cross-gen release)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
Fast RMX
Pokken Tournament Deluxe
Splatoon 2 is not a port but feels like a sort of Splatoon 1.5 since they re-use some maps from the first game, but at the end of the day it isn't a port. Still, with 3 or 4 ports in less than half a year, maybe it just seems like there's a lot of them.
We can talk about western support. I would like to know how Undertale is doing. Is Rocket League important in Japan? But western publisher decisions are set in stone right now: PS4, then PC, then XBO and, perhaps some scraps, for Switch. There's little that the conditions on the Japanese market can do to change it. And if there is a big event that changes publisher's priorities, It will be discussed at the NPD threads most likely.
This why I think that discussions here centers about the behaviour of Japanese publishers.
This why I think that discussions here centers about the behaviour of Japanese publishers.
Wii U late ports on Switch or 3DS that were succesful but missed a big amount of sales because of low userbase make perfect sense. Smash 4 isn't exactly in this category though since it was a multimillion Wii U/3DS release.
Smash 4 deluxe with 3ds contents redone with wii u assets, plus some new characters and related amiibo
Can't see sakurai do a brand new episode from ground zero without Iwata push/commitment after the fatigue suffered in developing both 3ds and Wii u versions at the same time
Can't see sakurai do a brand new episode from ground zero without Iwata push/commitment after the fatigue suffered in developing both 3ds and Wii u versions at the same time
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Last generation was exceptionally long. This is simply the new normal.
They'll eventually get a competent port house to do 4 or melee and then they'll just do the rest. It's inevitable though it might take a few more consoles. Old Smash compilations is just money left on the table.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
That didn't go well last gen though.
People got bored with the PS3, 360, and Wii at the end and game sales were bad near the end of the gen.
The PS5 probably won't come out until 2020 because of bad chip development timing, but I don't know if these long generations will be a future trend because I don't think a game machine can stay popular for 6+ years.
TheLegendaryN
Member
Plus Lego City Undercover.