If people care so little about mobile as to not post in a dedicated thread why is it brought up at all. I'm for it going elsewhere so the focus remains on dedicated devices.
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Media Create Sales: Week 4, 2016 (Jan 25 - Jan 31)
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If people care so little about mobile as to not post in a dedicated thread why is it brought up at all. I'm for it going elsewhere so the focus remains on dedicated devices.
The better question is, why would anyone be annoyed with mobile information being posted in this thread? Even if you don't care about it, then can't you just scroll down and ignore the post in question? It's only a few posts each week with actual mobile talk. I don't think it's taking away focus from anything with dedicated devices.
I don't post in the MC threads all that often but I do read regularly. I do think Japanese mobile discussion is a valid thing to post (even if I'm of the personal opinion where I don't like mobile games and don't want to hear about them), since it gives a more holistic picture of industry trends over there. I agree with some of the posters in here that if there are mobile-related postings, they're more than a graph and a basic explanation, some actual discussion would be nice.
I'm certainly willing to rethink how I present mobile information. I tried to pull back on the graphs quite a bit recently since I noticed people weren't overly interested and I no longer felt we had a good handle on what type of revenue chart data tied to (well, before Sega's new info dump).
The few exceptions would be when I was predicting what would be reported as a success or failure in the upcoming financial reports and for Yokai Watch (Level 5 has had a very troubled mobile division historically) and then Dragon Ball this week since we were on the topic.
If people have suggestions of what kind of things they'd like in particular I can aim for more of that.
Similarly if people want me to dig up things on dedicated games (I usually see a lot of interviews and news about them, along with reading financial reports), I would be happy to oblige. I did do a few posts like this for Sega when asked: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=182904675&postcount=360
For that amount of typing though, I'm more interested in a specific request of "Hey what is ________ doing about __________?" so that I know at least one person will get some use out of it.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I think that the way things are currently works well. There's no need to split mobile data out of the thread, because it works fine as is. I think the biggest issue is probably more of one that we all have years and years of knowledge of what sales mean for a game from following the industry (eg, niche RPG selling 150k in its first week is pretty good, mid-large budget game below 70k is bad, Monster Hunter should be selling 2-3 million, etc), so that most people can have a pretty strong idea of what numbers represent at a glance (aside from posters who just come in once a week to say "my god Splatoon" and then leave).
The mobile market is newer, and it's not always apparent what something ranking at a certain level means the way it is for packaged sales, which can lead to less interesting discussion being had. As things continue on I think that issue will diminish to some extent.
The mobile market is newer, and it's not always apparent what something ranking at a certain level means the way it is for packaged sales, which can lead to less interesting discussion being had. As things continue on I think that issue will diminish to some extent.
Has there been any general mobile threads for western countries? And if so, how did they end up? NPD tends to be used for generic US retail discussion, and I guess the PAL threads for Europe. Either way it would be nice to have an official place for small mobile queries.
Is the goal to expand overall discussion of the mobile market or to make sure threads stay focused on a main subject? If it's the former (which I assume it is), then I think keeping mobile talk here would be better. It's easier to get people wandering in here who may have a spontaneous observation or question than it would be in a dedicated mobile thread.
Personally I'm interested in what's going on there, but I have neither the personal investment nor the general knowledge to add much to those discussions. But I like seeing the data and the analysis, so I do want it to be continued in some format.
Is the goal to expand overall discussion of the mobile market or to make sure threads stay focused on a main subject? If it's the former (which I assume it is), then I think keeping mobile talk here would be better. It's easier to get people wandering in here who may have a spontaneous observation or question than it would be in a dedicated mobile thread.
Personally I'm interested in what's going on there, but I have neither the personal investment nor the general knowledge to add much to those discussions. But I like seeing the data and the analysis, so I do want it to be continued in some format.
test_account
XP-39C²
I also think everything should be in one thread. As long as its about sales in the japanese gaming industry, it fits the topic, in my opinion. These threads are also fairly slow moving after the initial 50-200 posts, and i still havnt seen that some posts containing sales data have conflicted any other discussion going on here.
If someone cares he can find what he wants. We won't take from hands with baby steps anyone who is bored to do a minimum search.
OP has links for every previous thread and the updated version of database. I have combined new releases with YSO predictions at a single post making super easy the search of them.
Pennywise83
Banned
If you have read some of the posts, you would know that it's not about people getting annoyed - it's about that mobile sales news and data dropped occasionally in a thread about another topic might not be the best way to discuss about them. Also, MC sales thread lasts a week, while mobile games are discussed for months, if not years, and having sales data for game X spread across 52+ threads doesn't really help the discussion.
test_account
XP-39C²
Is there really that much difference to show a mobile chart every week to showing sales chart every week though? The mobile charts only shows positions, kinda like the PAL charts, so i dont think that much sales data is being "lost", so to speak, even if its posted in multiple threads.
By the way, doesnt AppAnnie allow for historical data to be showed in one graph as well? If so, it should be easy to find historical data directly from AppAnnie.
Moor-Angol
Banned
that would be great especially for some occasional events like monthly digital sales or some LTD updates which come out every once in a while, I mean, I read everyday this topic but sometimes I have more time, some time less as everyone I guess, so sometime you can miss a report and you have to go back for pages.
if every important data is "locked" into the first page it would be great, I always go back to OP to see data, and I suppose that aggregating all news of those kind would be nice
or, as Chris1964 does for weekly sales, just use a link reference in some cases (I think about digital sales which has its own topic and it's always updated by mpl90)
I also agree about changing the name of the topic to "Japanese Weekly Sales: Week 4, 2016 (Jan.25 - Jan.31)" for example
Many years ago it was ok a "M-C" thread cause they had the last data while Famitsu was a week later, but now we get all the three trackers data at the same time, and honestly the most "complete" is Dengeki, 50 games with 50 sales data, then comes Famitsu, 30 games with 30 games data, and then M-C, 50 games but only 20 sales data, so a generic title would be more representative about what's discussed here.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Can someone give me a little help ?
I'm not so informed about *only* digital releases, I just finished the 3DS chart (NOT updated yet) but I realized there were a couple of games which Chris1964 tracked but they were digital releases only.
Considering I just wanted to have a "retail" chart, there are some games which data only cover digital ? I took a look at the digital sales topic but I didn't find info for such small results.
For example, the lastest games, Vitamin X (#436) and Z (#437) have such small numbers I don't understand if they come from digital or retail, but I suppose they are retail cause there are not cumulative sales for games such as MH4 or AC (which digital sales are known, iirc).
I'm not so informed about *only* digital releases, I just finished the 3DS chart (NOT updated yet) but I realized there were a couple of games which Chris1964 tracked but they were digital releases only.
Considering I just wanted to have a "retail" chart, there are some games which data only cover digital ? I took a look at the digital sales topic but I didn't find info for such small results.
For example, the lastest games, Vitamin X (#436) and Z (#437) have such small numbers I don't understand if they come from digital or retail, but I suppose they are retail cause there are not cumulative sales for games such as MH4 or AC (which digital sales are known, iirc).
The blog who originally talked about the Wii U shortage was this. Rakuten Books and the entire Shopping Mall have the Wii U console sold out 売り切れ. They push other sets to buyers. However, as far as I know, neither Sofmap nor Bic Camera said something about it. Today is the SMT IV Final release date and no info was stated about that. Maybe it's something related to online sellers, though.
I think nothing should change. Mobile is a part of the japanese market and that's what the thread is all about.
About the changing of the name, when famitsu started to show numbers at the same timeframe as MC, people wondered if those threads should be named japanese sales and opted to stick with média create because people were more used to and i think that's still valid. I'm a famitsu fan, so i usually go with them for when i want to search something, but i think the média create name is much more familiar for those posts.
About the changing of the name, when famitsu started to show numbers at the same timeframe as MC, people wondered if those threads should be named japanese sales and opted to stick with média create because people were more used to and i think that's still valid. I'm a famitsu fan, so i usually go with them for when i want to search something, but i think the média create name is much more familiar for those posts.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
I'm for option 2 primarily (staying the course is fine too, but #2 makes info a lot easier to find). Oftentimes I just don't really have the background to contribute to the mobile discussions, but I do find them interesting at times. That way, we can talk about the entire gaming industry in Japan while having all the relevant parties present.
Sorry for double posting, but Rakuten confirms there won't be stock until late February or even March. http://books.rakuten.co.jp/rb/12348412/
It is speculated about shortages in Wii U CPU's production. Mitsumi Electric Co. Ltd. supplies pieces for Wii U hardware and it seems, they are having problems to deliver them. http://www.mitsumi.co.jp/
At Bic Camera Hachioji, Wii U is also sold out. It seems stock problems are everywhere.
twothunder
Member
Indeed. Didn't expect that. Even if it's caused by production problems.
Checked the Japanese nintendo twitter but no word on it there. Only saw the Fire emblem fates routes going half price and another Ashley theme.
test_account
XP-39C²
The WiiU is back to selling ~10k a week, so it doest seem like theres increased demand. Sounds more like theres is low production numbers and if theres any problems there, it could easily affect the supply chain.
Square Enix will be shutting down Gunslinger Stratos Reloaded for PC on March 29, 2016. The game was launched just about half a year ago on August 27, 2015.
http://gsreloaded.jp/article.php?no=146
http://gsreloaded.jp/article.php?no=146
madstarr12
Member
Hmmm, if there are stock issues for Wii U hardware due to demand being greater than stock, then we should see a random increase of hardware sales in the coming weeks as new shipments come in. Though, not sure if it's widespread enough to confirm anything.....or is it?
Lots of people aren't necessarily experts on Japanese sales so don't contribute, but lurk and read. Don't judge the value of the post by the discussion it engenders.
Mobile is probably going to be a lot more interesting to the regulars in this thread after Nintendo drops Miitomo and Luigi's Mansion iOS on an unsuspecting whorl.
Mobile is probably going to be a lot more interesting to the regulars in this thread after Nintendo drops Miitomo and Luigi's Mansion iOS on an unsuspecting whorl.
SMT IV Final launch at TSUTAYA. There is stock only for the Mario Maker Set. They are pushing even the Genei Ibun Roku Limited Edition that didn't sell at time, since there is no stock for Shiro Set, and no other option.
However, I'm almost sure the problem is due to lack of supply at Mitsumi headquarters. We're talking about, at least, two more weeks with these kind of problems.
If I'm not mistaken, and doing some research, stock problems have been occurring at least since one week ago. StreetsAhead commented something about it yesterday and some videogame related pages also posted it on their respective websites.
However, I'm almost sure the problem is due to lack of supply at Mitsumi headquarters. We're talking about, at least, two more weeks with these kind of problems.
Yet another Attack on Titan ad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6gf-CqggBA
This is the kind of ads that don't really show gameplay.
There will be limited edition Star Ocean PS4s, Sony Store exclusive, of course.
500gb and 1tb models, no game included.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6gf-CqggBA
This is the kind of ads that don't really show gameplay.
There will be limited edition Star Ocean PS4s, Sony Store exclusive, of course.
500gb and 1tb models, no game included.
Ōkami;194774675 said:Yet another Attack on Titan ad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6gf-CqggBA
This is the kind of ads that don't really show gameplay.
There will be limited edition Star Ocean PS4s, Sony Store exclusive, of course.
500gb and 1tb models, no game included.
If I didn't already have a PS4... I'd be into that so bad. Love me some SO.
Some Rakuten comments.
- PlayStation 4 was the best selling console of the week. PlayStation Vita is keeping sales steady due to Dragon Quest Builders release.
- Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 was the best selling game of the week. Rakuten Books and Edion were the retailers that sold more units of the game.
- Mario Tennis is also selling well. The Shiro Set was sold out for the only seller, Books. No other retailer has stock.
For next week,
- Shin Megami Tensei IV Final had really strong pre-orders. Gonna be the best selling title of the week.
- Due to Wii U stock problems. Other sets made an appearance, especially pre-orders for Pokken Tournament were high demanded.
http://ranking.rakuten.co.jp/weekly/101205/
- PlayStation 4 was the best selling console of the week. PlayStation Vita is keeping sales steady due to Dragon Quest Builders release.
- Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 was the best selling game of the week. Rakuten Books and Edion were the retailers that sold more units of the game.
- Mario Tennis is also selling well. The Shiro Set was sold out for the only seller, Books. No other retailer has stock.
For next week,
- Shin Megami Tensei IV Final had really strong pre-orders. Gonna be the best selling title of the week.
- Due to Wii U stock problems. Other sets made an appearance, especially pre-orders for Pokken Tournament were high demanded.
http://ranking.rakuten.co.jp/weekly/101205/
madstarr12
Member
Nice PlayStation sales. Wii U doing well won't last very long, but maybe it'll be enough to at least give the Console some life this year.....
NX System delayed...
Nice PlayStation sales. Wii U doing well won't last very long, but maybe it'll be enough to at least give the Console some life this year.....NX System delayed...
Rakuten has regularly been not-descriptive of the market, so don't read into it and just wait for the actual results in eight hours.
Nice PlayStation sales. Wii U doing well won't last very long, but maybe it'll be enough to at least give the Console some life this year.....NX System delayed...
Yeah, don't read too much on it. Even though it has a big presence is not any representative. I really want to see the numbers of this week.
There aren't digital releases only except from these Famitsu has tracked unter "_Download Card_"
ULTROS!
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Ōkami;194774675 said:Yet another Attack on Titan ad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6gf-CqggBA
This is the kind of ads that don't really show gameplay.
There will be limited edition Star Ocean PS4s, Sony Store exclusive, of course.
500gb and 1tb models, no game included.
hngggggg
As a Star Ocean lover, I want this so bad.
I'd say the second option is the best one, the better approach to follow for future threads.
Kresnik258
Member
I quite like mobile news being in these threads. I'm happy with things as they are, but if they need overhauling, then option #2 for me.
No fucking way. LMAO!
Hydrargyrus
Member
What's the margin of error??
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Blog could simply be saying -
Thank you (sankyuu)
Thank you (sankyuu)
Moor-Angol
Banned
Ok thanks
I also have some data from 2011 and 2012 about games below 3,8k and 3k took from the White Book I found in a library, I'll share asap so you can update your database
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Xbox One will literally be a one.
Is all Microsoft fault, if they called it Xbox 720 they could At least sell 720 unit per week!
LordOcidax
Member
is this true?
In Japan, retailers seem to be facing Wii U shortages:http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/daily-briefs-feb-9/
In Japan, retailers seem to be facing Wii U shortages:http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/daily-briefs-feb-9/
It's the circle of Media Create threads again, right?
LordOcidax
Member
LiveFromKyoto
Member
So you're saying it could be even worse?