-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Media Create Sales: Week 48, 2013 (Nov 25 - Dec 01)
- Thread starter Chris1964
- Start date
It's just a matter of supply. They're going to own the Japanese home console market regardless. Focusing on the rest of the world is a smart idea.
PS4 A trainwreck from the start ?
What are you basing that off ?
Current Launch lineup ?
There was basically no games that appealed to the Japanese audience. The console market is not as big as it is in other territories, which allows them to allocate the supply that would have been there for the Japanese launch to other territories. There is no arrogance, it just wasn't smart to launch the PS4 with its launch games in Japan.
The PSPGo didn't play UMDs which cut its life very short. I don't see the Vita TV fading out as quickly.
If true that would mean MH3G HD sold less than 10k digitally. 3DW digital LTD sales are between NL and MH3GHD.
shinra-bansho
Member
Limited supply, lack of Japanese software and prioritizing more important markets. I don't really get how that could be interpreted as arrogance; it's simply reality that they don't really face any competition for the demographic they primarily target from Microsoft there and Nintendo struggling with the Wii U probably doesn't hurt the case for launching elsewhere first. There's really nothing particularly weird about it.
So the 3DS got a significant bump thanks to Hatsune Miku, but why did the Wii U increase? Mario came out the week before and no other games came out for it. It can't be just because of the season, since Vita and PS3 didn't get the same increase over last week (Vita actually dropped).
And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a 60% drop in the second week actually good for 3D Mario?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a 60% drop in the second week actually good for 3D Mario?
Maybe I'm overstating how important holiday season is to the Japanese market, but Sony is seemly willing to skip one just to launch in everywhere but Japan. That seems a bit arrogant to me. We're talking about the rest of Asia getting the PS4 before Japan does. It's the right business decision, but if I'm a Japanese consumer, I'd be mad at that decision...
freezamite
Banned
Yes, but in terms of net profits, how much money represents a digital sale compared to a retail one?
I mean, it's sold at the same price, but every single penny (minus taxes) goes directly to Nintendo, so in terms of pure benefits 10k may be like 15k-20k units sold at retail.
Still not a lot, but that makes Nintendo a bit less doomed than what they would be without the digital copies being sold.
Sony understands that Japan is a safe area where Xbox holds no sway.
The war is being waged in the UK and U.S where they need all the units they can get .
Should be marketed at third world country where UMDs hard to find.But considering how rampant the piracy is in these countries, it still a lost cause.
I really love my PSP Go though, thing is small and the most portable handheld I ever own. It can practically slip in to any pocket of my pants.
Sammy Samusu
Member
TV: 42.172 > 7.868 > 5.391 (55,431)
GO: 29.109 > 13.992 > 6.427 (49,528)
GO: 29.109 > 13.992 > 6.427 (49,528)
I dread to think what kind of "support" it'd have on behalf of SCEA if it ever made it here.
Seems like the Wii Party U bundle is still selling relatively well. Famitsu has it 11th, while its nowhere to be found on Media Create. I don't think Media Create counts software sales from bundles while Famitsu does. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Holiday effect kicking in for Nintendo .
Only if they had a game in January, I think Feb is too late especially with the PS4 looming.
If the OUYA can get some sort of shelf space in major retailers, the VITA TV can at least get promoted as a PS4 extender in the house.
I'm (not really) surprised that they don't have a game. I haven't seen what their release schedule looks like for 2014.
That would make more sense to treat it as a PS4 accessory. Sony instead attached it to the Vita name which made it doomed.
Bruno MB
Member
I've included all available sales data under the label LTD2.
shinra-bansho
Member
Microsoft is actually more competitive in other Asian markets, iirc. Even then I doubt those markets will see significant shipments.
While I doubt the system will do amazingly, Japan as a single country market would require significantly more units at launch than those other Asian markets. It's a "safe" market as already noted. And consequently it's lower priority than major markets, requiring large shipments, that are more competitive and smaller markets that can be served something of a paper launch.
The only way Sony managed to sell 2.1M to NA, Europe and Australasia was because they had that many to send there. Add a Japanese launch into the mix and you're looking at only being able to sell something like 1.6M in those other more important markets.
Magicpaint
Member
Yeah new and shiny graphics aren't nearly as much a pull in Japan. The way I'm looking at it now, all the major Japanese developers are involved in the platform in some significant way (MGS, FF, KH, Tales, Yakuza etc) so we're looking at a PS3 like schedule post launch drought, and along with the usual licensed stuff from Bamco, the PS4 should maintain a regular baseline that gets it to at least match the PS3's LTD, in my opinion. I'm probably getting ahead of myself, but at least the PS4 shouldn't have the Vita's main problem that stems from the lack of big selling software, or the WiiU's fundamental lack of third party support.
Well, it will start better: PS4 first week will be better than PS3 first week.
But that's it.
PS4 already sold worldwide in two weeks what it'll sell in two years in Japan.
Metallix87
Member
Indeed. They should rebrand it if they want to bring it to the West.
That's just not fair... Go was the best PSP model ever created, the 'all digital' part scared people off, but damn... it's still my #1 handheld, right up there with the amazing GB Micro. Even Vita's OLED screen doesn't beat out the Go's form factor (for me, to each his own).
I really want a Vita TV... C'mon NA launch already
Make it a bundle. I'm in
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I want a Vita TV so much, I hope it gets released soon over here. :/
test_account
XP-39C²
How do you mean with "wanting more money"? That Nintendo moneyhatted Capcom?
Reusing old assets its possible on every platform by the way, so that is no hurdle on a more powerful system. Capcom released a "HD" version of both Monster Hunter Portable 3rd and Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate.
Father_Brain
Banned
We have no idea what went on behind closed doors, though. It's entirely possible that Sony approached all of those third parties, but that whatever incentives they offered weren't enough to offset the assumed higher ROI from other platforms.
And all the naysayers saying it would collapse back to <10k one week after the bundle...
They will all have to wait until January now.
1st Course
Member
Only a matter of time until GTA V pass Yakuza 5 on Famitsu too.
I only used a PSP Go once... the d-pad was beyond terrible :S
ShockingAlberto
Member
I think Sony's shrugs on Vita TV not being compatible with a lot of software didn't give anyone much confidence to buy it. Right now, it's a system that sells to Vita owners that can already play any Vita game they want but want a docked system just in case they need it, which...that doesn't seem like a huge market.
In percentages it tracks closer to the Vita than to the GO:
Code:
Vita:
324,859 100,00%
72,479 22,31%
42,648 13,13%
Vita TV:
42172 100,00%
7868 18,66%
5391 12,78%
PSP GO:
29109 100,00%
13992 48,07%
6427 22,08%Yet without it Vita family wouldn't have outsold 3DS family in GE2 week and Vita family wouldn't have outsold Wii U this week. It is making a difference.
perfectchaos007
Member
We're just now starting the holiday season. That guarantee prediction will come true, and I would not be surprised if the 3DS hits, or gets close to, 5 million YTD before year end
test_account
XP-39C²
Keep in mind that the 3DS also had a quite strong holiday season last year. These numbers (YTD) do no include what the 3DS sold last holiday. But we'll see. If it doesnt sell more, at least the numbers wont be super far away.
perfectchaos007
Member
oh whoops. well you're right, it will be a neck and neck finish.
1st Course
Member
^
I'm not sure about that. Only 4 weeks left. 3DS will need to sell an avg of 340k in the next 4 weeks in order to outsell its last year YTD (5.5m).
I'm not sure about that. Only 4 weeks left. 3DS will need to sell an avg of 340k in the next 4 weeks in order to outsell its last year YTD (5.5m).
To me it screams that Sony recognizes how atrophied the console market is in Japan at the moment. Clearly is not a priority
ShockingAlberto
Member
If they are in a position where nothing they can offer to third parties can make it worth it to develop high-effort titles on the Vita, then take the thing out of the oven because it's done.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I'm lucky that the games I want the most are Vita TV compatible, I worry they might not bring it to the west because Gravity Rush, Uncharted, and Wipeout aren't compatible(which seem to be the most western oriented games).
Just give it to me already, god damn Sony. I want to play Ys, Persona 4, and Senran Kagura on it!
It never should have been put in. Really don't know what Sony was thinking with the Vita. At least support it yourself.