There's no indication of the digital discounted version being counted that I'm aware of.
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Media Create Sales: Week 52, 2015 (Dec 21 - Dec 27)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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There's no indication of the digital discounted version being counted that I'm aware of.
The sales grew, we have no idea how many second-SKU or third-SKU were sold after the fact as they were digital sales (directly through Nintendo) and discounted. People who wants both SKUs in physical, would have bought the SE and even that we don't know how it was counted.
So double-dipping here doesn't really work.
What. The test is over. It passed. It's 1m+ on a dead console and improved that dead consoles baseline for over half a year. And a new ip as well.
Expecting anything else is just extra credit imo. There's only so much a game can do.
Kresnik258
Member
ohyouagain
Member
Software has been added to OP. Hardware still missing though.
He did vaguely (western 3ds condition) and he said "probably" unlike you who said you were "pretty sure" and just threw predictions without anything backing it while it took me 2s to find three arguments more or less valids and 20s to write it down.
Anyway you get the point, I don't have anything else to add.
Despite that I don't think that, even with the discounted digital version, it reached the famous 90% digital ratio.
My point is that, if the same people who bought Awakening bought Fates, there's only a 100k growth, and amongst the 100k there are most likely double dippers who didn't get the collector edition (which was heavily supply constraint) and maybe didn't want to go digital for the second game.
How many that is, I have no idea, which is what I was wondering about, could be 10k, could be 100k (and if so there would be no growth at all, just taking more money from the exact same fanbase)...
This particular game is very interesting because it used a business model we had never seen before (?) with three storylines contained in two different SKU and a DLC, a very limited collector SKU with the three storylines, an incentive to go digital for the 2nd storyline if you only bought one of the two basic SKU, and the third storyline being DLC only and released a few weeks after the retail release of the 3 others SKU.
(And I'm only taking about the main features, it already has the same kind of DLC Awakening already had back then)
It feels like Nintendo is experimeting so many things at once with this game and it would be very interesting to know how many people went for the discounted 2nd storyline, how many bought the two basic retail SKU, how many bought the 3rd storyline afterwards etc.
Unfortunately we will probably never get these data or at least not at the same level of detail I'm describing right now.
EDIT
As I mentionned above that one was
- Heavily supply constraint (like it was out of stock months before release if memory serves right, and while it was restocked a few times it was still very limited and constantly back in "out of stock" before release)
Here's its second week in Dengeki to give you an idea
- Also it was pretty expansive (10k yens), some may have wanted to first buy a single version before deciding if it was worth it to play the second version (with the retail SKU that is).
Pennywise83
Banned
"only a 100k growth" - we are talking about a tRPG series which had been selling 140k units on average for the previous 17 years. Also, the game had around 40k units on the eShop during its first month so the game sales are totally getting closer to 600k units.
theprodigy
Member
If we're talking about number of players, special edition counts as 1 not 2, that basically cancels any digital copies iirc.
also, it's hilarious how you're trying to sandbag previous entries (which isn't even necessary really!) in order to make it look more impressive, literally every single game in the series sold more than 140k in Japan alone
also, it's hilarious how you're trying to sandbag previous entries (which isn't even necessary really!) in order to make it look more impressive, literally every single game in the series sold more than 140k in Japan alone
Going from 500 to 600k is a 20% growth, that's pretty good, but if most of it comes from going dual version that's not an "usual" growth it's only getting more money out of the same fanbase, I may not have worded it properly but you're missing my point anyway.
Also I don't know in which world the Fire Emblem series was selling 140k units on average for the previous 17 years
EDIT: ^What theprodigy said, in spite of being factually wrong that was completely unnecessary.
Pennywise83
Banned
My bad, I was looking at FW sales. Change 140k with 230k and the argument still holds (the average of all post-99 FE games).
Even if the entire growth from Awakening to Fates was due to double-dippers, that's still a lot of units sold for a franchise that has never been this big (at least, not in recent times because the first two or three entries sold really well). The IP can totally stabilize around 500k units and would be one of the biggest properties in terms of domestic sales (outside the big ones, Pokémon, Mario and so on), and one of the most surprising, given the genre.
Also, we know that Fates sold around 580k units (counting eShop sales), around 100k units more than Awakening. Then, how much the CE containing both storylines sold? How much DLC contaning the other storyline, and the third one sold?
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Is Splatoon the best selling console game of this generation?
Yes? You just chopped them out of your quote for some reason
But what exactly mean "the 3DS situation in the west" ._. ?
I mean, is this an argument? I don't get it.
No.
Well yeah, I don't think anyone disagree with that.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
What is?
My point about 3ds western sales is related to the decline in both hw and sw that the console saw this year. I think it is a fact and not an opinion. For this reason I think that FE will sell less in the west that awakaning but I also state that the 100k grow in japan will probably somehow balance it.
Plus I think that even if you look at an average sale of the previous around 300k in japan, both awakaning and fates sales are simply great and I think that awakaning western sales were great too for the franchise.
Even if fates increase was due to double dippers I would say that the double version probably aimed exactly at that, so...mission accomplished by IS.
Plus I think that even if you look at an average sale of the previous around 300k in japan, both awakaning and fates sales are simply great and I think that awakaning western sales were great too for the franchise.
Even if fates increase was due to double dippers I would say that the double version probably aimed exactly at that, so...mission accomplished by IS.
It (the SE) is, however, less expensive than buying two retail copies of the game AND the third DLC, by a good chunk. I just don't think people were going out of their way (in large numbers, or % -meaningful) to spend more for what they could get for less through other means.
So, yes, supply constraints certainly affected it (we still don't know if it was counted as 1 or 2 copies) but I just don't see that many consumers going out to buy two versions in separate physical SKUs given the noticeable price disparity.
Graphics Horse
Member
I don't know what that is but it hasn't passed Mario Kart 8 yet. Maybe next week.
1*: [N64] Animal Crossing # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2001.04.14} (¥5.800) - 36.263 / 213.984
2*: [GCN] Animal Crossing <ETC> (Nintendo) {2001.12.14} (¥6.800) - 92.568 / 641.300
3*: [GCN] Animal Crossing e+ <ETC> (Nintendo) {2003.06.27} (¥6.800) - 91.658 / 386.258
4*: [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World <ETC> (Nintendo) {2005.11.23} (¥4.800) - 335.425 / 5.241.655 <77,20%>
5*: [WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2008.11.20} (¥5.800) - 303.204 / 1.221.459
6*: [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 721.786 / 4.445.087 <97,30%>
7*: [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2015.07.30} (¥4.320) - 516.381 / 1.282.880 <60-80%>
8*: [WIU] Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival <TBL> (Nintendo) {2015.11.21} (¥6.480) - 13.289 / 43.490 <0-20%>
2*: [GCN] Animal Crossing <ETC> (Nintendo) {2001.12.14} (¥6.800) - 92.568 / 641.300
3*: [GCN] Animal Crossing e+ <ETC> (Nintendo) {2003.06.27} (¥6.800) - 91.658 / 386.258
4*: [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World <ETC> (Nintendo) {2005.11.23} (¥4.800) - 335.425 / 5.241.655 <77,20%>
5*: [WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2008.11.20} (¥5.800) - 303.204 / 1.221.459
6*: [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 721.786 / 4.445.087 <97,30%>
7*: [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2015.07.30} (¥4.320) - 516.381 / 1.282.880 <60-80%>
8*: [WIU] Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival <TBL> (Nintendo) {2015.11.21} (¥6.480) - 13.289 / 43.490 <0-20%>
Pennywise83
Banned
When considering eShop New Leaf's sales, the game is selling around the same of Wild World which shows the strength of the IP and how Nintendo can still pull those numbers even without DS-like hw sales.
New Super Mario Bros U. Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon will beat it soon anyway.
...I still don't get it.
Decline in hardware was smaller than in Japan, but that's because the New 3DS, and even so i don't think this really matter with the main point.
Decline in software? Huh?
That's could be true, but why this should impact Fire Emblem sales?
Software sales in Japan too were in decline. Did it damaged Fates sales? No...
Maybe i don't understand what you are trying to say.
Bruno MB
Member
Is that the highest first week sell-through percentage you have in your database?
I only know one other game with a first week sell-through percentage higher than 97, Gundam True Odyssey (97,20%)
All this according to Famitsu, because Media Create told us that Splatoon sold 97,33% of its first week shipment.
Animal Crossing: New Leaf shipments + download cards + eShop sales must have already reached 5 million units in Japan. We will officially know when Nintendo discloses the results for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2016, but only if it manages to ship over a million units worldwide. Nintendo only lists those titles that at least sold (shipped) 1 million units during the fiscal year. Same for Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright / Conquest, I want to know how it did in Japan including everything.
3ds was and still is the hottest thing in japan despite a decline that seems more saturation than everything. In the west on the other side it seems to me that it was helped by the New release in terms of YoY but that after mid of the year the 3ds started to suffer in terms of active base buying games.
It could have been due also to a softer lineup while for example 16 could still see interesting releases especially in the rpg segment with Explorers bravely second yokai watch pokemon mistery and various Atlus games that, even if small in terms of single release, could build some momentum for the genre, helping Fe fates in terms of results.
But I have got the impression that 3ds momentum is past due in the west imho.
Btw I think that both awakaning and fates are successes and that fates increase in japan is significant as it is
3DS in the west hasn't had a tentpole title to rally around since Majora's Mask. Xenoblade, Happy Home Designer, Triforce Heroes, and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon are decent mid-tier titles for off months, but they're certainly not event games for the system. I think Nintendo tried with Yokai Watch, but that doesn't exactly seem to have worked out so well. Hopefully Fire Emblem will be a tentpole title that primes the userbase for the last wave of games. Otherwise it's going to be pretty quiet aside from Pokemon.
first week sellthrough >96%
Famitsu incomplete sellthrough data / Media Create complete sellthrough data after 2007.12.31
Famitsu
[WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl <FTG> (Nintendo) {2008.01.31} (¥6.800) - 816.198 / 2.315.401 <96,30%>
[3DS] Run For Money Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040) - 30.054 / 604.430 <96,30%>
[GCN] Killer 7 <ACT> (Capcom) {2005.06.09} (¥7.140) - 4.512 / 4.512 <96,60%>
[PS2] Gundam: True Odyssey - Ushinawareta G no Densetsu <RPG> (Bandai) {2005.06.30} (¥7.140) - 64.453 / 180.386 <97,20%>
[PS2] Over the Monochrome Rainbow featuring Shogo Hamada <ACT> (Sony Music Entertainment) {2003.03.19} (¥8.800) - 16.991 / 16.991 <97,20%>
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 721.786 / 4.445.087 <97,30%>
[PSP] Digimon World Reigitize <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.19} (¥5.230) - 73.468 / 156.622 <97,30%>
[PSP] Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories <ACT> (Capcom) {2007.07.26} (¥5.229) - 38.685 / 125.507 <97,90%>
[PS2] Daito Giken Official Pachi-Slot Simulator: Shake II <TBL> (Paon) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 16.235 / 38.122 <98,90%>
[PS2] PachiPara 14: Kaze to Kumo to Zupa Umi in Okinawa <TBL> (Irem) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 24.452 / 53.484 <99,40%>
Media Create
[GBA] Pokemon Fire Red # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2004.01.29} (¥3.800) - 517.874 / 1.619.109 <96,01%>
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 603.064 / 4.088.603 <96,09%>
[360] Far Cry 3 <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2013.03.07} (¥7.770) - 6.274 / 10.152 <96,11%>
[NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 - Professional <RPG> (Square Enix) {2011.03.31} (¥4.440) - 163.008 / 634.762 <96,12%>
[NDS] Pokemon Pearl <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2006.09.28} (¥4.800) - 768.687 / 2.636.059 <96,16%>
[PS3] MAG: Massive Action Game <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2010.01.28} (¥4.980) - 19.139 / 62.658 <96,17%>
[3DS] Run For Money Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040) - 29.630 / 615.884 <96,83%>
[PS2] Gundam: True Odyssey - Ushinawareta G no Densetsu <RPG> (Bandai) {2005.06.30} (¥7.140) - 85.989 / 183.360 <97,00%>
[NDS] Pokemon Diamond <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2006.09.28} (¥4.800) - 820.047 / 3.189.446 <97,12%>
[WIU] Splatoon # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} (¥6.156) - 144.818 / 998.667 <97,33%>
Famitsu incomplete sellthrough data / Media Create complete sellthrough data after 2007.12.31
Famitsu
[WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl <FTG> (Nintendo) {2008.01.31} (¥6.800) - 816.198 / 2.315.401 <96,30%>
[3DS] Run For Money Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040) - 30.054 / 604.430 <96,30%>
[GCN] Killer 7 <ACT> (Capcom) {2005.06.09} (¥7.140) - 4.512 / 4.512 <96,60%>
[PS2] Gundam: True Odyssey - Ushinawareta G no Densetsu <RPG> (Bandai) {2005.06.30} (¥7.140) - 64.453 / 180.386 <97,20%>
[PS2] Over the Monochrome Rainbow featuring Shogo Hamada <ACT> (Sony Music Entertainment) {2003.03.19} (¥8.800) - 16.991 / 16.991 <97,20%>
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 721.786 / 4.445.087 <97,30%>
[PSP] Digimon World Re
igitize <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.19} (¥5.230) - 73.468 / 156.622 <97,30%>[PSP] Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories <ACT> (Capcom) {2007.07.26} (¥5.229) - 38.685 / 125.507 <97,90%>
[PS2] Daito Giken Official Pachi-Slot Simulator: Shake II <TBL> (Paon) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 16.235 / 38.122 <98,90%>
[PS2] PachiPara 14: Kaze to Kumo to Zupa Umi in Okinawa <TBL> (Irem) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 24.452 / 53.484 <99,40%>
Media Create
[GBA] Pokemon Fire Red # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2004.01.29} (¥3.800) - 517.874 / 1.619.109 <96,01%>
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 603.064 / 4.088.603 <96,09%>
[360] Far Cry 3 <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2013.03.07} (¥7.770) - 6.274 / 10.152 <96,11%>
[NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 - Professional <RPG> (Square Enix) {2011.03.31} (¥4.440) - 163.008 / 634.762 <96,12%>
[NDS] Pokemon Pearl <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2006.09.28} (¥4.800) - 768.687 / 2.636.059 <96,16%>
[PS3] MAG: Massive Action Game <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2010.01.28} (¥4.980) - 19.139 / 62.658 <96,17%>
[3DS] Run For Money Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040) - 29.630 / 615.884 <96,83%>
[PS2] Gundam: True Odyssey - Ushinawareta G no Densetsu <RPG> (Bandai) {2005.06.30} (¥7.140) - 85.989 / 183.360 <97,00%>
[NDS] Pokemon Diamond <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2006.09.28} (¥4.800) - 820.047 / 3.189.446 <97,12%>
[WIU] Splatoon # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} (¥6.156) - 144.818 / 998.667 <97,33%>
Moor-Angol
Banned
Vita releases
2016/02/18
- Ikenie to Yuki no Setsuna
- Kan Colle Kai
- Shingeki no Kyojin
I have a feeling that Kan Colle will be postponed again
2016/02/18
- Ikenie to Yuki no Setsuna
- Kan Colle Kai
- Shingeki no Kyojin
I have a feeling that Kan Colle will be postponed again
Japan software 2014 / 2015
West software 2014 / 2015
The decline in Japan is bigger than in the west, and don't talk about saturation, because this could be true for the hardware, not software.
But the point remain that all this really means nothing when we talk about only one game.
Fates sales won't be influence by this.
Vita releases
2016/02/18
- Ikenie to Yuki no Setsuna
- Kan Colle Kai
- Shingeki no Kyojin
I have a feeling that Kan Colle will be postponed again
What a bad day for Setsuna. That really should be out during a quieter release window.
Bruno MB
Member
Pennywise83
Banned
Completely different genre and target audience with respect to the other two games + at this point PSV should be able to sustain three mid-tier (considering the context) releases in the same week.
theprodigy
Member
I dunno if you noticed, but...2014 was also pretty bad for 3DS in the west (like seriously, those graphs show that US+Europe combined=Japan that year!)
Well, it was a quite busy week
Famitsu Sales: Week 30, 2007 (Jul 23 - Jul 29)
01./00. [WII] Mario Party 8 <ETC> (Nintendo) {2007.07.26} (¥5.800) - 282.389 / NEW <41,00%>
02./00. [PS3] Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds # <SPT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2007.07.26} (¥5.980) - 175.750 / NEW <76,80%>
03./00. [NDS] Taiko no Tatsujin DS: Dokodon in Touch! # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 89.158 / NEW <82,10%>
04./00. [NDS] The World Ends with You # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2007.07.27} (¥5.980) - 81.326 / NEW <49,30%>
05./01. [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 14 <SPT> (Konami) {2007.07.19} (¥7.329) - 52.907 / 200.900 <38,90%>(-64%)
06./00. [360] The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion <RPG> (Spike) {2007.07.26} (¥8.190) - 45.497 / NEW <84,80%>
07./00. [WII] Mobile Suit Gundam: MS Front 0079 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2007.07.26} (¥7.140) - 43.659 / NEW <93,80%>
08./00. [PSP] Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories <ACT> (Capcom) {2007.07.26} (¥5.229) - 38.685 / NEW <97,90%>
09./02. [WII] Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors <RPG> (Square Enix) {2007.07.12} (¥6.800) - 32.133 / 400.924 <97,30%>(-52%)
10./04. [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass <ADV> (Nintendo) {2007.06.23} (¥4.800) - 32.104 / 679.894 <52,90%>(-30%)
11./05. [WII] Wii Sports <SPT> (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} (¥4.800) - 29.848 / 1.813.588 <51,50%>(-14%)
12./09. [WII] Wii Play <ETC> (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} (¥4.800) - 25.685 / 1.403.348 <89,60%>(+8%)
13./00. [PS2] PachiPara 14: Kaze to Kumo to Zupa Umi in Okinawa <TBL> (Irem) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 24.452 / NEW <99,40%>
14./00. [PS2] Metal Gear Solid Collection {Metal Gear \ Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake \ Metal Gear Solid \ Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty \ The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2 \ Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater \ Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops} [1/1][Metal Gear 20th Anniversary] <ADV> (Konami) {2007.07.26} (¥6.900) - 24.310 / NEW <99,40%>
15./08. [NDS] Flash Focus: Vision Training in Minutes a Day <ETC> (Nintendo) {2007.05.31} (¥3.800) - 23.352 / 471.185 <65,70%>(-5%)
16./13. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. <ACT> (Nintendo) {2006.05.25} (¥4.800) - 20.158 / 4.680.532 <93,30%>(+12%)
17./15. [NDS] Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day! <HOB> (Nintendo) {2005.12.29} (¥2.800) - 20.063 / 4.545.331 <60,90%>(+19%)
18./00. [PS2] The King of Fighters: Maximum Impact - Regulation A <FTG> (SNK Playmore) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 18.232 / NEW <86,60%>
19./12. [NDS] Weak English Adult DS Training: More English Pickled <EDU> (Nintendo) {2007.03.29} (¥3.800) - 18.173 / 437.151 <99,30%>(+0%)
20./00. [PS3] Wangan Midnight <RCE> (Genki) {2007.07.26} (¥7.329) - 17.995 / NEW <58,00%>
21./21. [NDS] Itadaki Street DS: Dragon Quest & Super Mario <TBL> (Square Enix) {2007.06.21} (¥5.040) - 17.978 / 287.005 <99,40%>(+57%)
22./17. [NDS] Mario Kart DS <RCE> (Nintendo) {2005.12.08} (¥4.800) - 17.894 / 2.315.714 <39,70%>(+12%)
23./03. [WII] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Wii <SPT> (Konami) {2007.07.19} (¥7.329) - 17.700 / 63.980 <47,00%>(-62%)
24./18. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World <ETC> (Nintendo) {2005.11.23} (¥4.800) - 17.485 / 4.248.160 <99,40%>(+11%)
25./00. [PS2] Daito Giken Official Pachi-Slot Simulator: Shake II <TBL> (Paon) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 16.235 / NEW <98,90%>
26./07. [NDS] Naruto Shippuden: Ninja Council 4 <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2007.07.19} (¥5.040) - 14.575 / 42.865 <98,80%>(-48%)
27./20. [NDS] Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! <HOB> (Nintendo) {2005.05.19} (¥2.800) - 14.387 / 3.442.492 <23,50%>(+21%)
28./19. [NDS] Weak English Adult DS Training: English Pickled <EDU> (Nintendo) {2006.01.26} (¥3.800) - 13.533 / 1.920.448 <85,80%>(+9%)
29./16. [NDS] Pokemon Diamond / Pearl <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2006.09.28} (¥4.800) - 13.102 / 5.254.617 <66,30%>(-18%)
30./00. [PSP] Ape Escape: Big Monkey Mission <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2007.07.26} (¥4.980) - 12.703 / NEW <27,90%>
00./11. [NDS] Chibi-Robo! Park Patrol <ADV> (Nintendo) {2007.07.05} (¥4.800) - 12.133 / 108.347 (-34%)
00./06. [NDS] Kouchuu Ouja Mushi King: Super Collection <RPG> (Sega) {2007.07.19} (¥6.090) - 10.933 / 42.805 (-66%)
00./00. [PS2] Ikki Tousen: Shining Dragon # <FTG> (Marvelous Interactive) {2007.07.26} (¥7.497) - 10.597 / NEW <15,60%>
00./00. [NDS] Mame Goma: Heartwarming Diary <SLG> (TDK Core) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 9.359 / NEW <29,20%>
00./24. [NDS] Saiyuki: Gold and Silver Conspiracy <ACT> (D3 Publisher) {2007.07.12} (¥3.990) - 7.396 / 27.532 (-18%)
00./29. [NDS] Yoshi's Island DS <ACT> (Nintendo) {2007.03.08} (¥4.800) - 7.212 / 817.610 (+2%)
00./00. [NDS] Shikaku Kentei DS <EDU> (Sega) {2007.07.26} (¥3.990) - 5.627 / NEW <45,20%>
00./22. [PS2] Super Robot Wars OG <SLG> (Banpresto) {2007.06.28} (¥7.329) - 5.587 / 423.017 (-51%)
00./10. [NDS] My Housekeeping Diary <ETC> (Nintendo) {2007.07.12} (¥3.800) - 5.259 / 77.011 (-75%)
00./00. [WII] Puyo Puyo! Puyo Puyo 15th Anniversary <PZL> (Sega) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 4.631 / NEW <28,80%>
00./00. [PSP] Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops [1/3][Metal Gear 20th Anniversary] <ADV> (Konami) {2007.07.26} (¥2.800) - 3.176 / NEW <50,40%>
00./00. [PS2] Sega Ages 2500 Series Vol.30: Galaxy Force II Special Extended Edition <STG> (Sega) {2007.07.26} (¥2.625) - 3.110 / NEW <21,40%>
00./00. [NDS] Atsumare! Power Pro Kun no DS Koushien [1/1][Konami the Best] <SLG> (Konami) {2007.07.26} (¥2.646) - 2.770 / NEW <43,50%>
00./00. [PS2] Yato-Hime Zankiko: Ken no Maki # <ADV> (Nine Century's Fox) {2007.07.26} (¥7.140) - 2.665 / NEW <33,40%>
00./00. [PS2] Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater [1/3][Metal Gear 20th Anniversary] <ADV> (Konami) {2007.07.26} (¥2.800) - 2.618 / NEW <25,80%>
00./00. [NDS] Simple DS Series Vol.18: The Soukou Kihei Gun Ground <ACT> (D3 Publisher) {2007.07.26} (¥2.800) - 2.573 / NEW <21,80%>
00./00. [PS2] Mahoroba Stories: Library of Fortune # <SLG> (Dimple) {2007.07.26} (¥7.140) - 2.442 / NEW <28,60%>
00./00. [PSP] Idol Janshi Suchie-Pai III Remix <TBL> (Jaleco) {2007.07.26} (¥6.090) - 2.038 / NEW <24,80%>
00./00. [PS3] Major League Baseball 2K7 <SPT> (Spike) {2007.07.26} (¥7.140) - 1.918 / NEW <23,20%>
00./00. [NDS] Anan Kanshu: Onna-Jikara Kinkyu Up! DS <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2007.07.26} (¥3.990) - 1.896 / NEW <13,00%>
00./00. [NDS] Idol Janshi Suchie-Pai III Remix <TBL> (Jaleco) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 1.638 / NEW <25,90%>
00./00. [PS2] Major League Baseball 2K7 <SPT> (Spike) {2007.07.26} (¥6.090) - 1.630 / NEW <15,70%>
00./00. [NDS] Hello Kitty no Oshare Party: Sanrio Character Zukan DS <ETC> (From Software) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 1.501 / NEW <40,50%>
00./00. [NDS] Ichido wa Yonde de Okitai Nihon Bungaku 100-Sen <EDU> (Spike) {2007.07.26} (¥3.990) - 1.488 / NEW <9,20%>
00./00. [NDS] Biz Taiken DS Series: Kigyoudou Inshoku! <ETC> (Kokuyo) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 1.373 / NEW <9,70%>
00./00. [360] Eternal Sonata # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2007.06.14} (¥7.329) - 1.240 / 58.910 (-25%)
00./00. [PS1] Metal Gear Solid [3/3][Metal Gear 20th Anniversary] <ADV> (Konami) {2007.07.26} (¥1.500) - 1.170 / NEW <18,40%>
00./00. [WII] Dewy's Adventure <ACT> (Konami) {2007.07.26} (¥6.090) - 1.162 / NEW <11,20%>
00./00. [NDS] Simple DS Series Vol.19: Yareba Dekiru! The Micro Step Gijutsu de Oboeru Eitango <EDU> (D3 Publisher) {2007.07.26} (¥2.800) - 1.010 / NEW <23,00%>
00./00. [PS2] Getsumen To-Heiki Mina: Futatsu no Project M # <SLG> (Idea Factory) {2007.07.26} (¥7.140) - 1.004 / NEW <19,70%>
00./00. [WII] Guilty Gear XX: Accent Core <FTG> (Arc System Works) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 934 / NEW <37,10%>
00./00. [360] Dead Rising [1/2][Platinum Collection] <ACT> (Capcom) {2007.06.14} (¥3.990) - 900 / 10.963 (-20%)
00./00. [360] Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 <ADV> (Ubisoft) {2007.07.12} (¥7.140) - 896 / 9.987 (-52%)
00./00. [NDS] Mimi de Unou o Kitaeru: DS Cho-Nou-Ryoku <EDU> (Milestone) {2007.07.26} (¥2.940) - 870 / NEW <18,80%>
00./00. [360] Blue Dragon # <RPG> (Microsoft Game studios) {2006.12.07} (¥7.140) - 849 / 196.215
00./00. [360] Forza Motorsport 2 # <RCE> (Microsoft Game studios) {2007.05.24} (¥7.140) - 836 / 26.535 (-25%)
00./00. [PS2] Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty [3/4][Metal Gear 20th Anniversary] <ADV> (Konami) {2007.07.26} (¥1.800) - 834 / NEW <16,30%>
00./00. [PS2] Shuffle! On the Stage [1/1][Kadokawa the Best] <ADV> (Kadokawa Shoten) {2007.07.26} (¥2.940) - 706 / NEW <21,20%>
00./00. [PS2] Phantasy Star Universe [1/1][PlayStation 2 the Best] <RPG> (Sega) {2007.07.26} (¥2.100) - 664 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Kou Rate Ura Mahjong Retsuden Mukoubuchi: Goburei, Shuuryou desu ne <TBL> (Pi-Arts) {2007.07.26} (¥5.040) - 654 / NEW
00./00. [PS2] Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter [1/1][Ubi the Best] <ADV> (Ubisoft) {2007.07.26} (¥2.940) - 600 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Nintendogs: Labrador / Dachshund / Chihuahua & Friends <ETC> (Nintendo) {2005.04.21} (¥4.800) - * / 1.610.090
00./00. [NDS] Kanshuu Nippon Joushikiryoku Kentei Kyoukai: Imasara Hito ni wa Kikenai Otona no Joushikiryoku Training DS <EDU> (Nintendo) {2006.10.26} (¥3.800) - * / 1.472.873
00./00. [NDS] Professor Layton and the Curious Village <ADV> (Level 5) {2007.02.15} (¥4.800) - * / 612.761
00./00. [NDS] TOEIC Test DS Training <EDU> (IE Institute) {2007.03.29} (¥3.990) - * / 128.311
00./00. [NDS] Kekkaishi: Tale of the Raven Forest <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2007.05.24} (¥5.040) - * / 106.535
00./00. [NDS] Detailed Japanese History B: Total Training <EDU> (Bandai Namco Games) {2007.06.07} (¥3.990) - * / 47.494
00./00. [PS2] Hisshou Pachinko Pachi-Slot Kouryaku Series Vol.10: CR Neon Genesis Evangelion - Kiseki no Kachiha <TBL> (D3 Publisher) {2007.06.07} (¥6.090) - * / 108.978
00./00. [PS2] Tales of Fandom Vol.2: Luke Version / Tia Version <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2007.06.28} (¥6.090) - * / 60.663
00./00. [PS2] Growlanser VI: Precarious World <RPG> (Atlus) {2007.06.21} (¥7.329) - * / 52.260
00./00. [PS2] Mana-Khemia: The School Alchemists # <RPG> (Gust) {2007.06.21} (¥7.140) - * / 42.418
00./00. [PS2] Neon Genesis Evangelion: Battle Orchestra # <FTG> (Broccoli) {2007.06.28} (¥7.140) - * / 24.528
00./00. [PS2] Pop'n Music 14: Fever! # <ACT> (Konami) {2007.07.12} (¥7.329) - * / 23.716
00./00. [PS2] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [1/3][Best Price!] <ACT> (Capcom) {2007.07.12} (¥3.140) - * / 10.040
00./00. [PS2] Monster Hunter 2 [1/1][PlayStation 2 the Best] <ACT> (Capcom) {2007.07.19} (¥3.140) - * / 9.478
00./00. [PSP] Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2007.06.28} (¥4.980) - * / 78.073
Top 30
NDS - 14
WII - 6
PS2 - 5
PS3 - 2
PSP - 2
360 - 1
SOFTWARE
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+
| NDS | 40,4% | 52,3% | 51,8% |
| WII | 26,0% | 19,2% | 0,0% |
| PS2 | 12,2% | 21,9% | 34,5% |
| PS3 | 11,4% | 1,6% | 0,0% |
| PSP | 5,3% | 3,6% | 8,8% |
| 360 | 2,9% | 0,8% | 1,6% |
| OTH | 1,7% | 0,5% | 0,7% |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+HARDWARE
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| NDS # | 164.481 | 143.619 | 156.060 | 4.442.410 | 4.722.885 | 18.404.180 |
| WII | 70.366 | 75.681 | | 2.171.757 | | 3.160.875 |
| PS3 | 38.322 | 13.443 | | 595.541 | | 1.062.257 |
| PSP # | 31.669 | 29.268 | 41.571 | 1.196.324 | 1.172.687 | 5.708.978 |
| PS2 | 14.339 | 16.233 | 26.683 | 489.900 | 957.280 | 20.740.618 |
| 360 | 3.885 | 2.772 | 1.513 | 140.535 | 71.109 | 431.002 |
| GBA # | 1.222 | 1.227 | 4.730 | 51.464 | 348.600 | 15.495.091 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| ALL | 324.284 | 282.243 | 231.516 | 9.093.641 | 7.346.078 | 69.011.744 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| DSL | 164.353 | 143.491 | 154.291 | 4.430.458 | 3.405.024 | 11.956.496 |
| NDS | 128 | 128 | 1.769 | 11.952 | 1.317.861 | 6.447.684 |
| PSP | 31.669 | 29.268 | 41.571 | 1.196.324 | 1.172.687 | 5.708.978 |
| GBM | 616 | 656 | 1.562 | 26.746 | 120.719 | 579.148 |
| GBASP | 606 | 571 | 3.168 | 24.718 | 227.881 | 5.937.488 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+MARKET VALUE - Millions Yen
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| | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
| H-W | 7.090 | 5.480 | 3.920 | 183.480 | 121.220 |
| S-W | 9.100 | 5.790 | 7.360 | 199.130 | 202.210 |
| TOT | 16.190 | 11.270 | 11.280 | 382.620 | 323.440 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+Japan software 2014 / 2015
West software 2014 / 2015
The decline in Japan is bigger than in the west, and don't talk about saturation, because this could be true for the hardware, not software.
But the point remain that all this really means nothing when we talk about only one game.
Fates sales won't be influence by this.
Thx for the data. But it is false that the global situation of the active base doesnt affect the results of a single title. For example Zelda SS was seriously damaged by its late release in the life cycle of a console already dead with a small active base.
I still think that 3ds games could face issues in the west in 2016 even if as I said fates could still benefit from the general rpg lineup
Moor-Angol
Banned
Vita line-up is already full packed until the end of April : http://www.gamefaqs.com/vita/upcoming/2-japan except for this week, the next one and (actually) the mid April one
If a game is to sell well, it will sell well.
Eolz
Member
Yeah, sorry, despite all the arguments from both sides, I really don't undertand this debate about FE Fates selling less than Awakening in the west. It had stock problems in the USA and was part of several promotions, as well as being heavily pushed in terms of marketing globally (partly thanks to Smash).
It will sell more, just not necessarily 2+M globally. FE is really more popular nowadays, and you can feel it, a lot of people are expecting it, unlike Awakening that was a surprise success.
It will sell more, just not necessarily 2+M globally. FE is really more popular nowadays, and you can feel it, a lot of people are expecting it, unlike Awakening that was a surprise success.
kuroneko0509
Member
kadokawa should just delay kancolle kai again until the movie airs... then delay it until anime s2 airs... hah
I know you weren't talking to me, but my projection is on the Western market being very toxic at retail as well with a continuing trend of extreme feast or famine:
We also had three games with 2+ million that month which hadn't been seen since we were in the twilight of last generation.
Fire Emblem doesn't strike me as the type of title that's going to fall on the sales boost instead of sales decline side of this equation, especially in a month with XCOM 2, Street Fighter V, and Far Cry Primal sucking oxygen out of the room.
It's been three years of rapidly worsening conditions since the last game.
Now obviously if your title does get on the right side of this trend that's great and to huge benefit, but consumer interest in buying lots of software instead of pouring lots of money into content for less software seems to have gone down quite a bit. Why buy a new game when you can buy $60 of FIFA card packs is apparently the prevailing logic of the day.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
It's unlikely to sell better in the West than Awakening. The 3DS's market was a lot healthier there in early 2013 than early 2016. Maybe day 1 due to Awakening's stock shortages.
They have to delay it so it releases the same week as a huge game on another system.
Got to keep that tradition.
The only way i can see Fates under Awakening in US ( and most likely EU too) could be NX that destrong it legs, since, not like in Japan, Awakening legs were very good, it sold like 117,000 unit first month and 370,000 by end of 2013.*
But if we talk about first week**, i'm pretty confident to say Fire Emblem Fates will do better than Awakening.
* Digital sales were 63,000 first month, no idea about LT.
** I said first week, not first NPD, even if i believe first NPD should still be bigger, i don't think is sure because first NPD for Awakening was 4 weeks, Fates will be only 2 weeks.
Wait what? Fates sold better than awakaning in japan and it is still selling (few copies obviously)
I think we know it already sold 80k more plus a bigger digital debut...
Pro from Dover
Member
I knew it! Codename STEAM was made from the what was left of the original idea of SMT x FE! The gameplay was down solid, but you know, SMT x FE went another direction. So why let good gameplay go to waste? (enter comment about waste here)
Seriously, swat the STEAM art with a groovy Kazuma Kaneko skin mixed in with practically the same music and watch that disliked enemy move times become a proper SMT moody atmospheric tension builder.
...So I'd like to imagine.
So I avoided commenting on this part earlier since we were in a different discussion, but I actually think you're overthinking this one a bit.
As far as I can tell, Matsuda's strategy for the "HD Games" (console/handheld/digital downloadable) segment of their business is to try to retread the glory days.
During that era they released a whole bunch of console games, heavily in the RPG genre with some experiments outside of it, and then had a selection of handheld titles to appeal to various niches and/or younger audiences as well.
If we look at their current line-up, it's pretty much the same. We have flagship console titles (FF15, FF7R, KH3, DQ11), mid-tier console titles (Nier 2, SO5, DQH, DQB, Dissidia), and handheld titles (DQ11, WoFF, SaGa, Setsuna, SD).
What's different is that the platform situations has changed, so their handheld titles show up on console with the West (or local console enthusiasts) in mind, and PC versions are becoming more common as well.
During their heyday it's worth keeping in mind that Square Enix was a global publisher, and that was even before they had Eidos, so if their decisions don't always make sense locally, taking a step back and looking worldwide is a good option. That Seiken Densetsu is getting a late PS4 port suggests they're not doing that for domestic market reasons.
While a bit out of scope in a Media Create thread, this also applies to their Western series. The design document for the new Hitman game is basically "Try to make old fans happy again."
Now, the Smart Device/PC Browser division and the Online/MMO division operate differently, but those are fundamentally different markets.
6 January. One day before the New numbers.
Jon Carter
Member
I'm fairly certain the GBA didn't reach 20m. I remember it ending its life at 17-something million.
Highly likely the GB/C are way over 20 million though.
Are you talking about the way she grips her necklace or... ?
I showed it to my wife but there is none that she can think of. People from different cultures express emotions in different ways, I think there's nothing more to it than that.
Final Fantasy series total shipment data reported by Square Enix:
Can you do the same with Dragon Quest series?