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Media Create Sales: Week 7, 2017 (Feb 13 - Feb 19)

In light of these predictions, can someone show how the 3DS, Wii U and the last few 3D Zelda titles sold in this timeframe (in their first 27 days) for comparison?
 

Tamanator

Member
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Feb 27 to Mar 26):

[PS4] Horizon: Zero Dawn (25 days) - 126k
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware (24 days) - 550k
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (24 days) - 478k
[NSW] 1-2-Switch (24 days) - 295k
[NSW] Super Bomberman R (24 days) - 57k
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross (9 days) - 1212K
 

LordKano

Member
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Feb 27 to Mar 26):

[PS4] Horizon: Zero Dawn (25 days) - 115k
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware (24 days) - 600k
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (24 days) - 540k
[NSW] 1-2-Switch (24 days) - 220k
[NSW] Super Bomberman R (24 days) - 45k
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross (9 days) - 1200k
 

noobie

Banned
First Day Sell-through {2017.02.23}

[PS4] [PSV] Super Robot Wars V # <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) - 60% PS4 > PSV

[PS4] NieR: Automata <RPG> (Square Enix) - 70%

[PS4] The Witch and the Hundred Knights 2 # <RPG> (Nippon Ichi Software) - 30%

[PSV] Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 3 Ultimate # <ADV> (Koei Tecmo) - 60%

Media Create Sell-through

01./00. [PS4] For Honor <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2017.02.16} (¥8.400) - 40.062 / NEW <81,53%> [Units shipped => 49.138]
So nier going to have some stock problems? Or is there going to be another shipment?
 

Ōkami

Member
A retailer blog I follow says first day shipment for Nier and SRW was 150k and 250k respectively, I don't think this guy has ever posted this kind of data before so not sure how reliable is he.

He says Nier sold out, that shipment for the Vita version of SRW was higher but sellthrough for the PS4 version was better.

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noobie

Banned
&#332;kami;230944300 said:
A retailer blog I follow says first day shipment for Nier and SRW was 150k and 250k respectively, I don't think this guy has ever posted this kind of data before so not sure how reliable is he.

He says Nier sold out, that shipment for the Vita version of SRW was higher but sellthrough for the PS4 version was better.
Thank you. So should expect 135k first week for Nier, with 90% sell through if there is no second shipment.
 

maxcriden

Member
Not expecting much from ARMS in Japan, but hopefully I'm wrong.
Ideally splatoon would be June, but I can see July or even august. But once it hits...

I think Nintendo clarified after the initially announced summer window that it's not coming in H1 2016 specifically. So, it should be out in July in time for the summer holidays in Japan (IIRC they're in July).
 

Orgen

Member
The PS4 is performing quite strong compared to the competition for a long time now.

What competition? Wii U? Xbox One? And don't come again with "SW sales are not so far from 3DS" because the data was posted here and it wasn't true.

Besides, from Switch launch and later Monster Hunter XX for 3DS we'll see how much is going to be the PS4 market share.
 
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Feb 27 to Mar 26):

[PS4] Horizon: Zero Dawn (25 days) - 146k
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware (24 days) - 650k
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (24 days) - 420k
[NSW] 1-2-Switch (24 days) - 195k
[NSW] Super Bomberman R (24 days) - 40k
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross (9 days) - 1110k

Haven't predicted in a while, let's see
 

L~A

Member
There really is no mystery as to when Splatoon 2 is releasing. It's going to be July, because I really doubt Nintendo is going to pass on the juicy school holiday period. It's not gonna be June, because they'll want to leave some breathing room for ARMS. Real question is when in July.

When Arms is releasing is more interesting (just my opinion here). I can totally see it take the usual last week of May spot that Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon got. That'd be roughly one month after Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

***

By the way, Dengeki shared evolution of market share for western games in Japan:

FY 2012: 4.9%
FY 2013: 7.0%
FY 2014: 8.1 %
FY 2015: 9.0%
FY 2016: 9.8%

http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/473/1473800/
 
What competition? Wii U? Xbox One? And don't come again with "SW sales are not so far from 3DS" because the data was posted here and it wasn't true.

Besides, from Switch launch and later Monster Hunter XX for 3DS we'll see how much is going to be the PS4 market share.

That's a great fighting post.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
That's a great fighting post.
I mean he is right... What competition does the PS4 have in the console space? It's the only relevant system and pretty much every game is an exclusive. Would be quite sad if it couldnt at least sell solid coming off a strong Holiday season w. PSVR/Slim/Pro and FFXV.

This isn't the Vita or some niche underdog system punching above its weight.
 

KtSlime

Member
There really is no mystery as to when Splatoon 2 is releasing. It's going to be July, because I really doubt Nintendo is going to pass on the juicy school holiday period. It's not gonna be June, because they'll want to leave some breathing room for ARMS. Real question is when in July.

When Arms is releasing is more interesting (just my opinion here). I can totally see it take the usual last week of May spot that Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon got. That'd be roughly one month after Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

Schools for the most part start vacation sometime during the week of the 16th this year. Umi no hi is on the 17th. Before going to see the grandparents or after they get back, which will sell more, not sure.

I can see that for Arms, either the last of May or first of June. June is the most boring month in Japan (IMO), so we need something to do.
 

gtj1092

Member
I mean he is right... What competition does the PS4 have in the console space? It's the only relevant system and pretty much every game is an exclusive. Would be quite sad if it couldnt at least sell solid coming off a strong Holiday season w. PSVR/Slim/Pro and FFXV.

This isn't the Vita or some niche underdog system punching above its weight.

So what you're saying is that it sells better than the competition. Is it so wrong to say ps4 software sales are pretty good. If you don't want to compare to current consoles the sales are still better than ps3. Also isn't it a running joke that Vita versions of games sell more than their ps4 counter parts? I hope you have never said 3DS software sales are good because vita wasnt competitive and 3DS want an underdog. Your stance is basically the market leader can't be considered as having good software sales. In top of that is anyone claimed the ps4 was the market leader they would be bombarded with gifs and lols and 3DS memes so let's not pretend to separate them now especially in a Japanese sales thread.

Wouldn't it also then be sad that a system with over 22 million sold coming off a holiday with Pokemon and Mario maker doesn't lead in software sales every week. But that would be a silly statement.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
This post was clearly about home consoles and the PS4 competition. 3DS and PS4 were never really in competition... They don't share any important games and one performing bad/worse doesn't have much impact on the other system.

Nothing wrong that saying the PS4 is performing well... But the initial comment made it seem like the PS4 was performing above expectations against some legit competition when the system doesn't really have current gen competition. We can appreciate the PS4 performance without having to make up some powerful competition the PS4 is competing with.

Such a post would make much sense after the Switch has been out for a while and Japanese 3rd party titles appear for both systems.
 

Datschge

Member
PS4 by itself does okay in Japan. The fact that its currently the sole notable player in the Japanese home console market means the numbers of the home console market as a whole are historically bad though.
 

KtSlime

Member
PS4 by itself does okay in Japan. The fact that its currently the sole notable player in the Japanese home console market means the numbers of the home console market as a whole are historically bad though.

I still can't figure out what people are playing on PS4, IIRC the attach rate is quite abysmal.
 

KtSlime

Member
150k piece of ps4 software were sold last week.

Good for Sony?

Probably from every PS3 franchise on PS4 being down.

Yeah, that's the most apparent way.

And yet PS4 software sales>ps3 software sales.

Are you comparing 2017 PS4 software sales to 2017 PS3 software sales? If so, that's not exactly a fair comparison.

Based on Okami's totals last week, for every PS4 there has been ~3.8 games sold, and for every PS3 sold there has been ~7.2 games sold. Even the attach for Wii U is for every unit ~3.9 games, and Wii U is an utter failure with nothing but Nintendo game available for it.
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Based on Okami's totals last week, for every PS4 there has been ~3.8 games sold, and for every PS3 sold there has been ~7.2 games sold. Even the attach for Wii U is for every unit ~3.9 games, and Wii U is an utter failure with nothing but Nintendo game available for it.
You only counted the retail number he posted, he also posted "around 19.5 million" for total PS4 software. Not sure how updated those numbers are, but the PS4 attach rate is about about 4.6 going by that number. The 3DS has an attach rate of about 5.4, going by the same numbers posted. So both should be in the vicinity of "abysmal" in that case.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
And yet PS4 software sales>ps3 software sales.

I still haven't seen anyone give the numbers showing that's the case. Given the chart Okami put out earlier, I'm not expecting the PS4 to sell as many software units as PS3. (PS3 sold 73M units of software. PS4 is at 19.5M right now.....).
 
Probably from every PS3 franchise on PS4 being down.
There are tons of series that are up gen over gen on PS4. They just usually are western games.

Are you comparing 2017 PS4 software sales to 2017 PS3 software sales? If so, that's not exactly a fair comparison.

Based on Okami's totals last week, for every PS4 there has been ~3.8 games sold, and for every PS3 sold there has been ~7.2 games sold. Even the attach for Wii U is for every unit ~3.9 games, and Wii U is an utter failure with nothing but Nintendo game available for it.

Launches aligned PS4 is ahead of PS3 in software sales. PS4 users just buy more varied software.
 

Orgen

Member
150k of software for a week is a pathetic number for any system no matter how look at it. It's not good for anyone.

That's why I was surprised about the marketshare comment... the numbers are not good and selling more than the non existent competition is nothing to write home about (people should remember that PS3 sold most of its software with much more competition than PS4).

You only counted the retail number he posted, he also posted "around 19.5 million" for total PS4 software. Not sure how updated those numbers are, but the PS4 attach rate is about about 4.6 going by that number. The 3DS has an attach rate of about 5.4, going by the same numbers posted. So both should be in the vicinity of "abysmal" in that case.

IIRC handheld always has a lower attach ratio than home consoles everywhere.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
Launches aligned PS4 is ahead of PS3 in software sales. PS4 users just buy more varied software.

I think the PS4 is ahead launch aligned with software sales.
Can someone actually give the numbers for that? Then again, I have a feeling it's like the "3DS hw is outpacing DS hw sales" when it was talking about the period before the DS took off. If so, PS4 selling more software than PS3 is better than not, but doesn't mean too much.
 

Ōkami

Member
PS3 retail software sales, Nov 2006 - Dec 2009 (38 months): 15.7m

PS4 retail software sales, Feb 2014 - Feb 2017 (36 months): 17.2m

Add some 1.5m of digital sales for PS4.

Got to remember that software sales for PS3 during the early years were abysmal, so doing slightly better than the PS3 is not wha the PS4 should be trying to do.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
&#332;kami;231002337 said:
PS3 retail software sales, Nov 2006 - Dec 2009 (38 months): 15.7m

PS4 retail software sales, Feb 2014 - Feb 2017 (36 months): 17.2m

Add some 1.5m of digital sales for PS4.

Got to remember that software sales for PS3 during the early years were abysmal, so doing slightly better than the PS3 is not wha the PS4 should be trying to do.

And that's what I thought. Thanks Okami!
 
PREDICTION LEAGUE MARCH 2017

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Feb 27 to Mar 26):

[PS4] Horizon: Zero Dawn (25 days) - 139,999
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware (24 days) - 602,000
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (24 days) - 518,012
[NSW] 1-2-Switch (24 days) - 201,000
[NSW] Super Bomberman R (24 days) - 61,616
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross (9 days) - 1,321,987
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
Annual Dengeki Software Numbers from FY 2013 until now...

FY 2013 - as of 3/24 - 3/30/2014
PS4 899,966
PS3 12,035,201
Vita 4,089,176
PSP 3,259,253
Wii U 2,992,529
Wii 991,969
3DS 23,279,483
DS 343,873
X360 358,164
Total 48,249,614

FY 2014 - as of 3/23 - 3/29/2015
PS4 2,838,845
PS3 6,592,475
Vita 5,235,009
PSP 738,500
Wii U 3,073,599
3DS 21,535,176
X One 133,105
Total 40,146,709

FY 2015 - as of 3/21 - 3/27/2016
PS4 5,389,299
PS3 2,606,086
Vita 5,482,270
PSP 138,530
Wii U 3,845,254
3DS 17,101,785
X One 75,362
Total 34,638,586

FY 2016 - as of 2/25/2017 (got a month left with the Switch launch in there)
PS4 8,070,725
3DS 13,973,760
Vita 3,605,173
Wii U 1,480,086
PS3 1,107,510
X One 38,832
Total 28,276,086
 

Orgen

Member
Annual Dengeki Software Numbers from FY 2013 until now...

FY 2013 - as of 3/24 - 3/30/2014
PS4 899,966
PS3 12,035,201
Vita 4,089,176
PSP 3,259,253
Wii U 2,992,529
Wii 991,969
3DS 23,279,483
DS 343,873
X360 358,164
Total 48,249,614

FY 2014 - as of 3/23 - 3/29/2015
PS4 2,838,845
PS3 6,592,475
Vita 5,235,009
PSP 738,500
Wii U 3,073,599
3DS 21,535,176
X One 133,105
Total 40,146,709

FY 2015 - as of 3/21 - 3/27/2016
PS4 5,389,299
PS3 2,606,086
Vita 5,482,270
PSP 138,530
Wii U 3,845,254
3DS 17,101,785
X One 75,362
Total 34,638,586

FY 2016 - as of 2/25/2017 (got a month left with the Switch launch in there)
PS4 8,070,725
3DS 13,973,760
Vita 3,605,173
Wii U 1,480,086
PS3 1,107,510
X One 38,832
Total 28,276,086

Thanks for the numbers! :D
 

test_account

XP-39C²
That's why I was surprised about the marketshare comment... the numbers are not good and selling more than the non existent competition is nothing to write home about (people should remember that PS3 sold most of its software with much more competition than PS4).
Everything competes for money within the gaming industry, so the competetion isnt non existent. I know what you mean, but people have limited resources to spend on games, so everything overlaps. Otherwise we couldnt have pointed to that mobile gaming is also a factor for the declining console sales.


IIRC handheld always has a lower attach ratio than home consoles everywhere.
With the multiple numbers of handheld revisions, it wouldnt surprise me. Would be nice if someone had some more numbers on it =)
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
3DS releases have completely dried up. There have been only 3 retail releases so far this year, 2 of them being from Nintendo. It's not unexpected its weekly sales have reached PS4 levels. If DQXI doesn't make it until December we are looking at a much bigger drop than 50% at software.
 

Orgen

Member
Everything competes for money within the gaming industry, so the competetion isnt non existent. I know what you mean, but people have limited resources to spend on games, so everything overlaps. Otherwise we couldnt have pointed to that mobile gaming is also a factor for the declining console sales.



With the multiple numbers of handheld revisions, it wouldnt surprise me. Would be nice if someone had some more numbers on it =)

I know that everything competes for money but I was talking about software on home consoles specifically. Even if PS4 is right now ahead of PS3 launch aligned it's still not clear that it'll end selling more SW than PS3 (I really doubt it) and noting that PS3 had a very slow start and competed directly with Wii/X360 that moved much more SW than Wii U/Xbone. Did mobile influenced home consoles software? Probably but not to the extent of being the market leader with these kind of numbers (I'm talking about PS4 here).

Regarding the attach ratios I think that Nintendo shows that clearly on its briefings each quarter (I'll check them later).

3DS releases have completely dried up. There have been only 3 retail releases so far this year, 2 of them being from Nintendo. It's not unexpected its weekly sales have reached PS4 levels. If DQXI doesn't make it until December we are looking at a much bigger drop than 50% at software.

They were afraid of Monster Hunter XX ;D There'll be more releases from April till the end of the year.
 

test_account

XP-39C²
I know that everything competes for money but I was talking about software on home consoles specifically. Even if PS4 is right now ahead of PS3 launch aligned it's still not clear that it'll end selling more SW than PS3 (I really doubt it) and noting that PS3 had a very slow start and competed directly with Wii/X360 that moved much more SW than Wii U/Xbone. Did mobile influenced home consoles software? Probably but not to the extent of being the market leader with these kind of numbers (I'm talking about PS4 here).

Regarding the attach ratios I think that Nintendo shows that clearly on its briefings each quarter (I'll check them later).
I doubt that too, i just wanted to comment on what was said about non existing competition =)

What do you mean with "but not to the extent of being the market leader"? What other reasons are there for the declining console market?
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
MHXX has to defend itself first.

It's a continued downward trend after this quarter if DQ doesn't make it. There is nothing that can come remotely close to what 3DS has sold last year.
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
so doing slightly better than the PS3 is not wha the PS4 should be trying to do.
Considering HW sellthrough difference between the two is also rather small (and smaller than SW one % wise), it's doing about as well as any Sony hw did historically in terms of early SW attach (including the PS2).

Given that PS3 outsold PS4 during year 1, it's a marked improvement to be ahead in any metric anyway - isn't Sales Gaf predicting it will fall behind again this year anyway?
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
Thanks for the numbers! :D
Sure thing.

3DS releases have completely dried up. There have been only 3 retail releases so far this year, 2 of them being from Nintendo. It's not unexpected its weekly sales have reached PS4 levels. If DQXI doesn't make it until December we are looking at a much bigger drop than 50% at software.

That's it?.... Wow o_O. Yeh you're right....
3DS - 3 charting titles released in 2017
Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World - 1/19/2017
BoxBoy! Hakobume Box - 2/2/2017
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 - Professional - 2/9/2017

PS4 - 16 charting titles released in 2017
Kingdom Hearts HD II.8 Final Chapter Prologue - 1/12/2017
Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 1/12/2017
SG/ZH: School Girl/Zombie Hunter - 1/12/2017
Gravity Rush 2 - 1/19/2017
Valkyria Revolution - 1/19/2017
Birthdays the Beginning - 1/19/2017
Resident Evil 7: biohazard - 1/26/2017
Ao no Kanata no Four Rhythm: HD Edition - 1/26/2017
New Game! The Challenge Stage! - 1/26/2017
Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 - Road to Boruto - 2/2/2017
Akiba's Trip 2+A - 2/2/2017
Nioh - 2/9/2017
Yonmegami Online: Cyber Dimension Neptune - 2/9/2017
For Honor - 2/16/2017
Romance of the Three Kingdoms 13 with Power-Up Kit - 2/16/2017
Digimon World: Next Order - 2/16/2017

PSV - 13 charting titles released in 2017

Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 1/12/2017
Valkyrie Drive: Bhikkhuni - Bikini Party Edition - 1/12/2017
Valkyria Revolution - 1/19/2017
Hana Oboro: Sengoku Denranki - 1/19/2017
Uta no Prince-Sama: Repeat Love - 1/26/2017
Sousei no Onmyouji - 1/26/2017
New Game! The Challenge Stage! - 1/26/2017
Black Wolves Saga: Weiss und Schwarz - 1/26/2017
Shinsei Batteki Drive Girls - 1/26/2017
Orfleurs: Koufuku no Hanataba - 1/26/2017
Kamaitachi no Yoru: Rinne Saisei - 2/16/2017
Diabolik Lovers: Lost Eden - 2/16/2017
Moe Moe 2-ji Daisenryaku 3 - 2/16/2017

XB1 - 1 charting titles released in 2017
Resident Evil 7: biohazard - 1/26/2017

PS3 - 1 charting titlereleased in 2017
Romance of the Three Kingdoms 13 with Power-Up Kit - 2/16/2017

WIU is sad at 0. (waiting for Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Wii_U_rain_window.jpg
 
You only counted the retail number he posted, he also posted "around 19.5 million" for total PS4 software. Not sure how updated those numbers are, but the PS4 attach rate is about about 4.6 going by that number. The 3DS has an attach rate of about 5.4, going by the same numbers posted. So both should be in the vicinity of "abysmal" in that case.

He won't say that lol
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
You only counted the retail number he posted, he also posted "around 19.5 million" for total PS4 software. Not sure how updated those numbers are, but the PS4 attach rate is about about 4.6 going by that number. The 3DS has an attach rate of about 5.4, going by the same numbers posted. So both should be in the vicinity of "abysmal" in that case.

Attach ratio must be the worst factor to determine the success of software and no company cares for it. Check GameCube, what a success.
Code:
+-----+---------+----------+
| SYS |    HW   |    SW    |
+-----+---------+----------+
| GMB |   32,47 |   157,06 |
| GBA |   16,96 |    73,11 |
| NDS |   32,99 |   213,64 |
| 3DS |   23,13 |   120,30 |
+-----+---------+----------+
| FCM |   19,35 |   225,86 |
| SFC |   17,17 |   194,85 |
| N64 |    5,54 |    39,75 |
| GCN |    4,04 |    27,54 |
| WII |   12,75 |    75,83 |
| WIU |    3,34 |    15,10 |
+-----+---------+----------+
| NSW |         |          |
+-----+---------+----------+
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Attach ratio must be the worst factor to determine the success of software and no company cares for it. Check GameCube, what a success.
I agree. I said it in the previous thread too, that attach rate in itself doesnt really mean much, other than being an interesting statistic. Xbox 360 and 3DS have about the same attach rate as well, for example. And if i'm not mistaken, Xbox One and PSP arent really that far from each other either regarding attach rate.
 

Datschge

Member
Annual Dengeki Software Numbers from FY 2013 until now...
Thank you. Here the respective totals for home console and portable markets:

FY 2013 - as of 3/24 - 3/30/2014
Home console software total 17,277,829
Portable software total 30,971,785

FY 2014 - as of 3/23 - 3/29/2015
Home console software total 12,638,024
Portable software total 27,508,685

FY 2015 - as of 3/21 - 3/27/2016
Home console software total 11,916,001
Portable software total 22,722,585

FY 2016 - as of 2/25/2017 (got a month left with the Switch launch in there)
Home console software total 10,697,153
Portable software total 17,578,933
 

test_account

XP-39C²
He won't say that lol
Probably not, but it shows that attach rate doesnt really mean that much regarding being a success. The number might look low, but overall people are using the systems. Theres also download-only games that people buy that arent tracked in these numbers. Maybe they dont add up for huge numbers overall, but there are many games to choose from :)
 

noshten

Member
Nintendo Launches:

3DS(Feb 26 - Mar 20) - 742.244
Professor Layton - 226.355
Nintendogs + Cats - 147.523

Wii(Dec 2 - Dec 31) - 919,643
Wii Sports - 566,707
Wii Play - 522,810

Wii U(Dec 8 - Jan 06) - 694.370
New Super Mario Bros. U - 429.259
Nintendo Land - 250.473


Sony Launches:

Vita(Dec 17 - Jan 15) - 501.262
PS3(Nov 11 - Dec 10) - 238,007
PS4(Feb 22 - Mar 23) - 470.011


So if Switch opens similarly to 3DS or slightly above 3DS and Zelda maintains high adoption rate I could see Zelda passing a million before MK8D is launched. The one thing I'm not sure about is whether Nintendo would really supply that many Zelda and Switches in Japan on launch month.
 
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